Delta Variant - please no politics

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

It's always about the money. The love of money is the root of all evil.

It is not money, it is greed. The money is just a tool.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69




And the Delta variant is? I never heard before of a virus with a political opinion.

BTW, as I wrote in these forums one year ago, a distant cousin of mine is a bigwig in Cleveland Clinic Florida, Weston Hospital. I won't mention her specialization for privacy reasons but she is not a virologist: her specialization is on the other side of the spectrum. I called her about ten days ago, and she said that they were about to instaurate an "all hands on deck" emergency with everybody ordered to ditch what they are doing and be ready for the COVID ward.

AGAIN. She was drafted for the same thing in Spring 2020. The last thing she imagined was to find herself in the same situation after one year.

She is a very fine woman, with a sweet voice. She concentrated all the cursing she will ever do in her whole life in that last phone call. The ratio of curses vs. normal words was 7/2.

So, politically, what I just wrote is..?

Of course, since every potential Covid-19 patient is worth three times more money to the hospital, they will try to have as many cases as possible Covid-19 cases. I reported on that over a year ago.

And that was debunked over a year ago. Try and keep up.

That was stated by a medical doctor in the United States so it was not "debunked" as you put it.

[MrRoadrunner]

Well, greed is the love of money. Money can't do it on it's own? [8|]

RR

[RangerJoe]

Fauci: Mixed Messaging On Masks Set U.S. Public Health Response Back
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The nation's leading infectious disease experts said the conflicting advice offered by federal leaders around face masks in the early days of the pandemic helped sow distrust and continues to hamper the government's ability to slow the outbreak.

"We have to admit it, that that mixed message in the beginning, even though it was well meant to allow masks to be available for health workers, that was detrimental in getting the message across," Fauci said in an interview with Mary Louise Kelly of NPR's All Things Considered. "No doubt about it."
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As late as February 29, Surgeon General Jerome Adams was telling Americans on Twitter to stop buying masks, saying they are "NOT effective." But the guidance soon changed, and by early April the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began recommending that Americans wear face coverings in public. . . .

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... guidelines

[Aurelian]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -payments/

Medicare, as an example, pays 3x as much to the hospital if a patient is put on a *ventilator*. It doesn't matter why they're put on it.


It’s standard for Medicare to pay a hospital roughly three times as much for a patient who goes on a ventilator, as for one who doesn’t.

Medicare is paying a 20% add-on to its regular hospital payments for the treatment of COVID-19 victims. That’s a result of a federal stimulus law.

The claim’s suggestion is that the number of COVID-19 cases is being padded; but evidence indicates the cases are being undercounted.

There isn’t a Medicare diagnostic code specifically for COVID-19. Using payment rates for similar respiratory conditions, Kaiser estimated the average Medicare payment at $13,297 for a less severe hospitalization and $40,218 for hospitalization in which a patient is treated with a ventilator for at least 96 hours.

[Will_L]

ORIGINAL: springel

ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo
Inject some untested DNA crap into my body for their manufactured flu, which I have 99.9% survival rate? No thanks.
Better cook up a stronger batch to get my attention.
-EJR

I wish you long covid.

Might be better to ignore something rather than wish ill upon someone.
Karma can be a bitch. [;)]

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -payments/

Medicare, as an example, pays 3x as much to the hospital if a patient is put on a *ventilator*. It doesn't matter why they're put on it.


It’s standard for Medicare to pay a hospital roughly three times as much for a patient who goes on a ventilator, as for one who doesn’t.

Medicare is paying a 20% add-on to its regular hospital payments for the treatment of COVID-19 victims. That’s a result of a federal stimulus law.

The claim’s suggestion is that the number of COVID-19 cases is being padded; but evidence indicates the cases are being undercounted.

There isn’t a Medicare diagnostic code specifically for COVID-19. Using payment rates for similar respiratory conditions, Kaiser estimated the average Medicare payment at $13,297 for a less severe hospitalization and $40,218 for hospitalization in which a patient is treated with a ventilator for at least 96 hours.

Well then, if the number of Covid-19 cases are being undercounted, then even more people have developed an natural immunity by fighting off the infection which is a way to get the best reaction to any reattempt of infection.

I was never put on a ventilator, nor was one even suggested to me. It also turns out that being on a ventilator for more than 24 hours can be worse than no ventilator. Supplemental oxygen should be enough.

[operating]

If there is one guy I do not trust is: Dr. Faucie ...

[RangerJoe]

Sure, get vaccinated, then you don't get Covid-19 . . .

"How 350 vaccinated people caught COVID-19 in huge Cape Cod outbreak.
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The report describes 469 COVID-19 cases in Massachusetts residents that were tied to the Provincetown outbreak. (Most of the other cases tied to the Cape Cod outbreak are from individuals living outside of Massachusetts.)

Of these, 346, or 74%, were fully vaccinated. About 46% had received the Pfizer vaccine, 38% had received the Moderna vaccine and 16% had received the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Most breakthrough cases, 87%, were among men, with an average age of 42. (The authors note that the demographics of these cases likely reflect those of the people who attended the area's events, which "were marketed to adult male participants.")

About 80% of breakthrough cases experienced symptoms of COVID-19, including cough, headache, sore throat, muscle aches and fever, the report said. A total of five people were hospitalized, four of whom were fully vaccinated. Two of the four fully vaccinated patients had underlying medical conditions, the report said.

When health officials analyzed swab samples from 133 cases, they found that nearly 90% were infected with the delta variant. And when they analyzed samples from 211 cases, they found that the so-called CT value, a proxy value for viral load, was about the same among fully vaccinated people as those who were not vaccinated or partially vaccinated. . . . "

https://www.livescience.com/cape-cod-co ... riant.html

[WYBaugh]

As I know it's been said a million times, the vaccine does not prevent you catching covid. It prevents the person becoming so ill that they require hospitalization.

You get a flu shot, you can still get the flu.

[WYBaugh]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Sure, get vaccinated, then you don't get Covid-19 . . .

"How 350 vaccinated people caught COVID-19 in huge Cape Cod outbreak.
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The report describes 469 COVID-19 cases in Massachusetts residents that were tied to the Provincetown outbreak. (Most of the other cases tied to the Cape Cod outbreak are from individuals living outside of Massachusetts.)

Of these, 346, or 74%, were fully vaccinated. About 46% had received the Pfizer vaccine, 38% had received the Moderna vaccine and 16% had received the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Most breakthrough cases, 87%, were among men, with an average age of 42. (The authors note that the demographics of these cases likely reflect those of the people who attended the area's events, which "were marketed to adult male participants.")

About 80% of breakthrough cases experienced symptoms of COVID-19, including cough, headache, sore throat, muscle aches and fever, the report said. A total of five people were hospitalized, four of whom were fully vaccinated. Two of the four fully vaccinated patients had underlying medical conditions, the report said.

When health officials analyzed swab samples from 133 cases, they found that nearly 90% were infected with the delta variant. And when they analyzed samples from 211 cases, they found that the so-called CT value, a proxy value for viral load, was about the same among fully vaccinated people as those who were not vaccinated or partially vaccinated. . . . "

https://www.livescience.com/cape-cod-co ... riant.html

The take away from this research is that, hey guess what??? Masks are needed again because you can be tossing out the same viral load vaccinated as unvaccinated.

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: WYBaugh

This thread will be locked but I wanted to say thank you rustysi for saying what I would say.

Of course it will be locked: medicine and climate belong to the ballot box, not to labs and rational discourse. [8|]

[WYBaugh]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

ORIGINAL: WYBaugh

This thread will be locked but I wanted to say thank you rustysi for saying what I would say.

Of course it will be locked: medicine and climate belong to the ballot box, not to labs and rational discourse. [8|]

Exactly

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

Deep State is buying time.

This ain't over, just getting started.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: WYBaugh

As I know it's been said a million times, the vaccine does not prevent you catching covid. It prevents the person becoming so ill that they require hospitalization.

You get a flu shot, you can still get the flu.

According to the information in the article, the hospitalization rate was the same for the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

[Greybriar]

Since news of the pandemic first reached me in the spring of 2020, I have done the following:
1. Quit eating out and bringing home food from the deli.
2. Stayed home except for necessary outings like doctor appointments.
3. Worn a KN95 mask on those rare occasions when I do go out and encounter other people.
4. Practiced social distancing.
5. Washed my hands after returning home, handling items from outside the home such as the mail or delivered packages, and frequently during the course of the day.
6. Been fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

I believe doing the above has prevented me from getting infected with Covid-19 and I hope my sharing will be helpful to others.

[WYBaugh]

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

Since news of the pandemic first reached me in the spring of 2020, I have done the following:
1. Quit eating out and bringing home food from the deli.
2. Stayed home except for necessary outings like doctor appointments.
3. Worn a KN95 mask on those rare occasions when I do go out and encounter other people.
4. Practiced social distancing.
5. Washed my hands after returning home, handling items from outside the home such as the mail or delivered packages, and frequently during the course of the day.
6. Been fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

I believe doing the above has prevented me from getting infected with Covid-19 and I hope my sharing will be helpful to others.

Thank you Greybriar!

[MrsWargamer]

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

Since news of the pandemic first reached me in the spring of 2020, I have done the following:
1. Quit eating out and bringing home food from the deli.
2. Stayed home except for necessary outings like doctor appointments.
3. Worn a KN95 mask on those rare occasions when I do go out and encounter other people.
4. Practiced social distancing.
5. Washed my hands after returning home, handling items from outside the home such as the mail or delivered packages, and frequently during the course of the day.
6. Been fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

I believe doing the above has prevented me from getting infected with Covid-19 and I hope my sharing will be helpful to others.

Yep, more or less the same.

I've been hearing that the majority, basically almost all the deaths from covid, have been people that were not vaccinated.
It has also been mentioned, a great many of the unvaccinated have been those who politically are against being vaccinated.

You want links?
Hey, I'm not going to pretend I can recall where I saw that information.
It's either true, and it shows why being vaccinated has merit, or it's not true. In which case I was vaccinated and for nothing. You can figure that one out on your own.
I won't miss the willingly unvaccinated considering their politics if that detail is also true. I don't really think it matters if it isn't true.

But I am with Greybriar and others like us.

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

Haven't worried about it, whole things is overrated.

1) Unvaccinated, not even tempted to inject an unknown DNA manipulator into my body.
2) Been going to Church the whole time, once week, on Sunday.
3) Eat lots of natural foods only: Almonds Pecans, Walnuts, Potatoes, Black Beans, Avocado, Pineapple, Watermelon, Cantaloupe, Grapefruit, Cheese, Ham, Tuna, and lots of vinegar on boring worthless vegetables, salt, unsweet Tea, Coffee, Eggs
4) Golf, Basketball, Walk

Never eat the following:
1) Anything outta of a box, such cereal, granola bars, frozen processed crap, lunch meat
2) Don't drink alcohol, it's the Devil's juice. Only keep for pain relief, like weed.
3) Stay away from losers. This is just like 'Nam. You can look at ppl, and predict who will die. Avoid losers.
4) Don't waste more than 15 minutes reading or watching the news. Not healthy

Here's what I predict:

a) next few months, the Delta will be blah-blah & makers of the Jab, will claim victory, that they saved the planet
b) problem #2 will arrive before next US elections, increased computer gliches.
c) stock market / crypto gonna will rise some more, than take a big hit, like playing craps at the casino, shooter rolls "7", scrap some fake money
d) Great refresh will begin, with a real virus.

You got 12-months before 'The Purge'

[MrsWargamer]

Well, I'm not denying you your capacity to believe.

But there has never been a spec of proof God exists.
But considering what's in the Bible, and yes, I am an expert if that is even possible, as written, he's not the guy he's believed to be.

I wasn't born in sin, and I don't actually require Jesus, because when you consider God made everything as is claimed, I was never guilty of anything.
That's on the notion any of it is real of course.

Covid just happened. Just like everything else has just been happening, for 4.5+ billion years.
The Permian got the creatures then, which gave the dinos their chance, but shit happens and it happened to the dinos. We have been able to exist by the forces of chance. And we can be made to exit by those same forces.
We might stupidly stumble into a desertified planet which will do a nice job on our numbers indeed. It won't be a few millions, but a few billions.

But I'm not holding my breath.
I'm also not waiting for God or his son whom he killed himself oddly enough, to fix things.

I WOULD like my species to pull its collective head out of its arse though, and maybe actually be accountable for just long enough to demonstrate our supposed superior intellgence.