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Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:14 pm
by WABAC
The Great Escape.
What I observe is that the M3A1's are reluctant to fire their chain guns at other units. They aren't firing ATGM's either. But that's a different topic. In the following picture, the circled unit takes very few shots until the units are on top of him. I played this scenario on release, and I don't remember them being so noticeably reluctant to fire.
Spotting should be good. SOP should be good.
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Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:55 pm
by CapnDarwin
Thanks for the save game and information. We are working on the shooting issues right now and a test case will help us troubleshoot the problem in the code.
Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 am
by WABAC
CapnDarwin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:55 pm
Thanks for the save game and information. We are working on the shooting issues right now and a test case will help us troubleshoot the problem in the code.
Cool. Start the scenario from the beginning. Lots of examples.
Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:39 am
by cbelva
I just ran your saved game and the scouts fired like crazy destroying one EG recon and damaging another. It also opened fired with it ATGM at T-72 taking out at least one.
@WABAC, I'm not saying you're not seeing what you are seeing. Your pix looks as if the Bradleys' aren't firing. The EG recon never got that close in my test. I too have occasionally seen units not firing. It is rare. Run it again on your game and see if you get the same results.
Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:58 am
by WABAC
cbelva wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:39 am
I just ran your saved game and the scouts fired like crazy destroying one EG recon and damaging another. It also opened fired with it ATGM at T-72 taking out at least one.
@WABAC, I'm not saying you're not seeing what you are seeing. Your pix looks as if the Bradleys' aren't firing. The EG recon never got that close in my test. I too have occasionally seen units not firing. It is rare. Run it again on your game and see if you get the same results.
They got that close in the multiple times I played it. First couple of time I had a unit in between that never fired. In between times I checked SOP. Checked visibility. Tried different setup positions. etc. Sometimes they overrun those units on the ridge in the picture.
They do fire ATGM's at the tanks. I wasn't clear about that.
Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:11 am
by WABAC
The zip has all my starts with this scenario.
Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:41 pm
by CapnDarwin
I got the same result as Wabac, the scout on the left fires a bunch of 25mm at multiple units, but the scout on the right with the same SOP setting and similar LOS does not shoot at all. I am digging into the problem. The ATGM issue is separate, but may be a part of the problem if there is a logic glitch that is blocking the 25mm from engaging. Weird bug for sure as it is not a universal problem.
Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:25 pm
by WABAC
CapnDarwin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:41 pm
I got the same result as Wabac, the scout on the left fires a bunch of 25mm at multiple units, but the scout on the right with the same SOP setting and similar LOS does not shoot at all. I am digging into the problem. The ATGM issue is separate, but may be a part of the problem if there is a logic glitch that is blocking the 25mm from engaging. Weird bug for sure as it is not a universal problem.
In the times I tried the opening, that unit on the left doesn't always fire much. It's nice to know I'm not completely crazy.
Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:50 am
by CapnDarwin
We are working on this and hope to have a fix that finally nails this bug. I think we have a possible lead on this, and we will be testing it out over the next few days to see if we can finally put it to bed.
Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:14 pm
by WABAC
CapnDarwin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:50 am
We are working on this and hope to have a fix that finally nails this bug. I think we have a possible lead on this, and we will be testing it out over the next few days to see if we can finally put it to bed.
Just wondering if this was addressed in the beta that came out today.
Thank you.
Re: Scouts not taking their shots?
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:17 pm
by CapnDarwin
Most of the bugs in this issue are stamped out. Jeff is still working and testing one last fix to get mechanized subunits shooting properly. That fix will be coming in a few weeks.