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This needs work
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:36 pm
by Steely Glint
1. There is no real scenario editor.
2. There is no unit editor.
3. There is no map editor.
4. There is no scenario difficulty selector.
5. There is no scenario length selector.
There is a lot of work neeeding to be done to make this an adequate tactical game. The basics seem adequate. The ASL counter mod also increases enjoyment.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:26 pm
by Steely Glint
How to easily make a scenario difficulty selector for V&V:
Very difficult means that all the die rolls are modified by two in the opponent’s favor
Difficult means that all the die rolls are modified by one in the opponent’s favor
Standard means no die rolls are modified
Easy means that all the die rolls are modified by one in the player’s favor
Very easy means that all the die rolls are modified by two in the player’s favor
RE: This needs work
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:53 pm
by yobowargames
Thanks for the feedback Steely Glint. Can you explain what you mean by 1?
Lance
RE: This needs work
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:57 pm
by Rusty1961
ORIGINAL: Steely Glint
1. There is no real scenario editor.
2. There is no unit editor.
3. There is no map editor.
4. There is no scenario difficulty selector.
5. There is no scenario length selector.
There is a lot of work neeeding to be done to make this an adequate tactical game. The basics seem adequate. The ASL counter mod also increases enjoyment.
Most games are rush jobs....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
RE: This needs work
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:00 pm
by Monkie
Feeding the trolls perhaps but I don't feel the game has a rushed feeling at all.
1) There is a scenario editor, as a matter of fact it's easy to use and you can quickly make a fun enjoyable scenario in a matter of minutes. I guess by "real" you mean it has to have everything you demand it to have?
2) Where was it said you can make your own units and edit their abilities? Might be nice but remember developers need income as well to improve and add through DLC's etc.
3) Again it might be nice to have but the maps included are quite well done and limited to Normandy at this time. There is talk about map editing in the future.
4) Yes no difficulty selector, that is a great thing about the game, you have to learn to get better, no hand holding. Many of the scenarios are very tough, but you can always load them in the editor and make it as easy for you to win as you would like, nobody is stopping you.
5) Again you can load the scenario into the editor and increase or decrease the length to whatever you desire.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:54 pm
by Hoyt Burrass
I'm with Monkie...does the game have some rough edges...yes, but the devs are here and supporting it. For what it is and at the price point it's at, I think it's a great buy and has tremendous potential...it also has a nicely functional PBEM system that works!....I find play quick easy and enjoyable.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:00 pm
by thewood1
The game is OK, but has an early access feel to it. I bought it to support the dev and games like this. But sure am hoping this isn't all there'll be.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:29 am
by Steely Glint
ORIGINAL: yobowargames
Thanks for the feedback Steely Glint. Can you explain what you mean by 1?
Lance
A full scenario editor allows for map creation and editing as well as unit creation and editing. We should be able to both design maps and create random ones.
This game has potential, but it needs the things I listed to reach them. Done fully and done right, this game could be a classic. Done partially, this game could be a memory in a year.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:35 am
by Steely Glint
ORIGINAL: Monkie
Feeding the trolls perhaps but I don't feel the game has a rushed feeling at all.
1) There is a scenario editor, as a matter of fact it's easy to use and you can quickly make a fun enjoyable scenario in a matter of minutes. I guess by "real" you mean it has to have everything you demand it to have?
2) Where was it said you can make your own units and edit their abilities? Might be nice but remember developers need income as well to improve and add through DLC's etc.
3) Again it might be nice to have but the maps included are quite well done and limited to Normandy at this time. There is talk about map editing in the future.
4) Yes no difficulty selector, that is a great thing about the game, you have to learn to get better, no hand holding. Many of the scenarios are very tough, but you can always load them in the editor and make it as easy for you to win as you would like, nobody is stopping you.
5) Again you can load the scenario into the editor and increase or decrease the length to whatever you desire.
Do you always go around lying (“ everything you demand it to have”, etc.) and crapping on other people’s constructive suggestions on how to improve games? I’ve been a wargamer for fifty years now. I know what it takes for games like this to succeed and what makes them fail.
Try not to be such a berk in the future.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:38 am
by Simulacra53
Would your recommendations help to elevate this game to a classic?
Having a full editor certainly does not hurt and community involvement is a crucial factor in long term success.
Maybe reflect on how you write your constructive criticism.
The original post is negative.
It clearly implies that the game is inadequate unless your recommendations are followed, it needs a lot of work until it is adequate.
The follow up again emphasis on potential, but as is soon to be forgotten.
Of course with your 50 years of gaming experience you are entitled to your opinion, but you did not learn how to win any hearts and minds.
Look on the positive side, you have the attention of the developer.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:18 am
by rico21
ORIGINAL: Steely Glint
1. There is no real scenario editor.
2. There is no unit editor.
3. There is no map editor.
4. There is no scenario difficulty selector.
5. There is no scenario length selector.
Despite all of this, I managed to do the scenarios I wanted, I must be the king of berks.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:55 pm
by thewood1
While I generally like the game and agree the OP could have used a different tone, his overall message is not completely out in left field. I think the very low numbers on these forums and the average of 6 players over 30 days on Steam probably reflect the general feeling of the potential audience. V&V has a lot of potential, but is a very limited game compared to its direct competitors.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:41 pm
by lesharris
The dearth of scenarios included in the game is pretty baffling. Obviously a tightly focused $19.99 game isn’t going to be TOAW4 but it still feels anemic. That said the system is nice and feels a bit like ASL Light. The developer seems responsive and I hope the sales will justify further development work.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:58 am
by xxup
Doesn't feel rushed to me. I don't really want to read a 400 page manual or have control over the eyebrow colours of the troopies in my games. I like this game and it is at the right level for me.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:28 am
by FroBodine
But, the developers really aren't supporting it much at all. They put out one update with zoom added. A mostly useless feature. Where are more scenarios, more units types, more stuff to make this game compete with the other tactical digital game that's out right now?
RE: This needs work
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:55 pm
by DingBat
ORIGINAL: FroBodine
But, the developers really aren't supporting it much at all. They put out one update with zoom added. A mostly useless feature. Where are more scenarios, more units types, more stuff to make this game compete with the other tactical digital game that's out right now?
Well, in our defense, the game has been out for only a little over 2 months.
Lance is taking a much needed vacation. I've been working on new features and but I'm off on vacation soon as well.
Our intention is certainly to provide players with a great game. There's a lot of things in the pipeline. Lance will likely look at making some of it more visible when he's back.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:22 pm
by bigus
ORIGINAL: Simulacra53
Would your recommendations help to elevate this game to a classic?
Having a full editor certainly does not hurt and community involvement is a crucial factor in long term success.
Maybe reflect on how you write your constructive criticism.
The original post is negative.
It clearly implies that the game is inadequate unless your recommendations are followed, it needs a lot of work until it is adequate.
The follow up again emphasis on potential, but as is soon to be forgotten.
Of course with your 50 years of gaming experience you are entitled to your opinion, but you did not learn how to win any hearts and minds.
Look on the positive side, you have the attention of the developer.
Well said.
You can't please everyone. I personally think this is a great game for the money spent.
Took me 1 minute to make a scenario.
I agree it needs a bit of work but I have faith right now that improvements are coming.
RE: This needs work
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:50 pm
by Big Ivan
ORIGINAL: DingBat
ORIGINAL: FroBodine
But, the developers really aren't supporting it much at all. They put out one update with zoom added. A mostly useless feature. Where are more scenarios, more units types, more stuff to make this game compete with the other tactical digital game that's out right now?
Well, in our defense, the game has been out for only a little over 2 months.
Lance is taking a much needed vacation. I've been working on new features and but I'm off on vacation soon as well.
Our intention is certainly to provide players with a great game. There's a lot of things in the pipeline. Lance will likely look at making some of it more visible when he's back.
++1 Gentlemen! V & V has the potential!!
Thanks for all you developers do!![:D]
RE: This needs work
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:25 pm
by rico21
ORIGINAL: Big Ivan
ORIGINAL: DingBat
ORIGINAL: FroBodine
But, the developers really aren't supporting it much at all. They put out one update with zoom added. A mostly useless feature. Where are more scenarios, more units types, more stuff to make this game compete with the other tactical digital game that's out right now?
Well, in our defense, the game has been out for only a little over 2 months.
Lance is taking a much needed vacation. I've been working on new features and but I'm off on vacation soon as well.
Our intention is certainly to provide players with a great game. There's a lot of things in the pipeline. Lance will likely look at making some of it more visible when he's back.
++1 Gentlemen! V & V has the potential!!
Thanks for all you developers do!![:D]
John, do a scenario please!!![;)]
RE: This needs work
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:26 pm
by Big Ivan
I'd love to rico but I'm busy at the moment with another behind the scenes project. Maybe in the future when things quiet down a bit.
But good news I do have the makings of a scenario for V&V. British and Germans with tanks and anti-tank guns. Guns a go-go baby!
Regards rico,
John[;)]