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K62 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:34 pm The StB campaign effectively portrays the Germans as overstretched, especially in terms of command structure, where many HQs are burdened with more troops than they can efficiently manage.

However, as a strategy game, it offers you the freedom to make strategic choices. It’s unwise to assign poor leaders or overloaded HQs to key areas. Instead, the less capable leaders and overloaded HQs should be in charge of less critical areas. In such areas, you might need to use a less optimal command hierarchy, like having corps report directly to army groups or armies directly to OKH.

To reduce the impact of overloaded HQs you can also consider consolidating regiments back into divisions, setting up assault HQs, merging weaker divisions, or transferring very weak divisions to reserves. Each of these actions comes with its trade-offs and requires deliberate planning. The essence of a strategy game is to navigate these challenges IMO.

SchDerGrosse wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:12 am

K62 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:34 pm The StB campaign effectively portrays the Germans as overstretched, especially in terms of command structure, where many HQs are burdened with more troops than they can efficiently manage.

However, as a strategy game, it offers you the freedom to make strategic choices. It’s unwise to assign poor leaders or overloaded HQs to key areas. Instead, the less capable leaders and overloaded HQs should be in charge of less critical areas. In such areas, you might need to use a less optimal command hierarchy, like having corps report directly to army groups or armies directly to OKH.
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To reduce the impact of overloaded HQs you can also consider consolidating regiments back into divisions, setting up assault HQs, merging weaker divisions, or transferring very weak divisions to reserves. Each of these actions comes with its trade-offs and requires deliberate planning. The essence of a strategy game is to navigate these challenges IMO.

Thank you for your insights!

I however do not neceseraly share your views that the above mentioned circumstances are the game's way to represent the historical situation the Germans were in late 1942.

I do agree with you that at this point, axis units were overstretched and had logistical difficulties, but to me it feels more like a simple oversight that the game only checks whether a certain HQ was present at the given time and place and ignores the CC limitations (which are aribtrary numbers dependent solely on the developers).

Examples:
- The northern front has 1 (i.e. one) HQ, AG North that has 3x (!) as many units as the command capacity allows effectively neutering the army level support on that part of the front.

- Below that the axis has the 16th army with double the units it can manage

- 9th Army 3x overload

and the list goes on.

Note, that is BEFORE the Stalingrad disaster, there is just no justification for not having enough HQs either for the Germans or for their allies to conduct operations.

If you take a look at the commanders tab, half of the axis leaders are unassigned so if the Germans wanted to, they could easily create new command units.

I believe that the problem is that the game is set up and optimized for the 1941 start and later scenarios (apart from the historical presence or absence of units) are simply not tweaked gameplay wise to reflect the developing situation.

Two quick notes at the end:

- I would assume that if Lindemann, commander of the 18th army in the north complained to the OKH that "guys I am completely useless due to fact of being forced to command WAAAAY more troops than my current staff allows me", he would have just been give more personell to work with

- Also, the fact that assault HQs do not work if ANY of the HQs within the command chain is overloaded is an arbitrary design decision and I highly doubt that this rule was taken into consideration with regards to later scenarios.