If you find errors, or have better solutions/ideas, let me know. It's the best I for now can come up with, found some errors in other's peoples work (either 80years ago or people in recent times creating those sources) and for sure made my own.
I used some Google autotranslate for homepages for some sources, after a while I found that in one occasion this translator simply erased several words (including some 76mm guns), I hope that did not happen without me realizing another time.
There's lots of more uncertainty, so there are guesses to be made.
Especially guess-heavy is in how far Recon and Sapper Squads were changed for the 1942 and following TOEs (when the large manpower decreases happened) and further, how they changed in 1944→1945 when the TOE was reduced by another ~2k Men, I decided to remove the 5xarmored Recon cars for that reason, they are never mentioned anywhere after the 1940/1941 TOE.
General Note:
- As said before Recons/CavRecons/Sappers are a difficult thing to make accurate without the actual main or exact sources and/or creating more Squads.
- Sometimes it feels weird when/why parts of the OB are being called Battery/Platoon or Company/Squadron and so on, NOT concerning their "branch affiliation" but in terms of their size, not sure if that's translation issues or if it was rly that much messed up.
→ an example I want to point out for that is the "AT-part" of the Division, which seems to remain 8x45mm, but is called everything from Battery to Battalion.
Altough it is possible that the sources forget about something "inside" it in the later (unknown) TOEs (e.g. PTRD(?)).
Sources:
[1]
https://dzen.ru/a/ZSpjdCSmMA-Jq6Aw
[2]
https://477768.livejournal.com/7028003.html
[3]
http://classiceuropa.org/articles/sovmt ... isions.pdf
[4] German Intel BArch RH 2/2519 picture 281ff
[5] Red Army Companion (by Zaloga and Ness) page 42ff
Note: I will often the numbers given for Squads/Platoons to what's relevant for the game (like HQ Men and so on), if you want the full numbers see the Sources.
Colours:
Error
Assumption
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1942
Shtat No. 04/830, March 1942 (or January)
"In total, the division had 9,915 men, 88 heavy and 283 light machine guns,
60 50-mm, 48 82-mm and 18 107-mm mountain mortars, 32 76-mm mountain guns, 8 122-mm howitzers, 8 45-mm anti-tank guns, 27 12.7-mm anti-aircraft machine guns, 8 37-mm anti-aircraft guns."[1]
- 4xMountain Rifle Regiment[1]
- MG Company (12xHMG[1]) #same as 41
- Mortar Company (12x50mm[1]) #ERROR: → bad 50mm count!^1 - replaced by 1xFlamethrower Squad
- Mortar Company (12x82mm[1]) #same as 41
- SMG Company (98Men[1]) #did not exist
- ATR Company (9xPTR[1]) #did not exist
- Artillery Battery (4x76mm[1]) #same as 41
- Engineer Company (64Men[1]) #was 97Men in 41 (2xPlt of 38Men each)
- AA Platoon (3x12.7mm[1]) #was 3xQuad AAMG
- Horse Recon Platoon (?) #was 25Men 3LMG
- Foot Recon Platoon (?) #was 50Men 4LMG
- 5xRifle Company (171Men, 12xLMG, 2xHMG each[1]) #was 222Men, 12xLMG, 3xHMG in 41 assumption
- MG Platoon (2xHMG) #was 3xHMG in 41 → 108xHMG becomes 88xHMG
- 3xPlatoon
- 4 Squads (11Men) #was 12 in 41
- Mortar Squad (1x50mm) #same as 41
- Artillery Regiment
- 2xMountain Battalion (8x76mm + 6x107mm each[1]) #same as 41 guns wise (+2xQuad AAMG)
1xHowitzer Battalion (8x122mm + 6x107mm[1]) #was 2xBattalion total 24x122mm (+2xQuad AAMG)
- AT Battery (8x45mm[1]) #same as 41
- AA Battalion (8x37mm + 15x12.7mm[1]) #(-3=12x12.7mm) in 41
- Engineer Battalion/Sapper Battalion #was 455Men in 41
- 2xCompany (86Men each[1]) #was 118Men each in 41 (3LMG each)
- Cavalry Squadron (118Men[1]) #was 190Men (5 armored cars, 6xLMG)
^1 The total for 50mm given is 60, and [1] leaves out the mentioning of the 50mm Mortars in the Platoons, which already existed there in 41. There are 60 Platoons 4Rgt x 5Co x 3Plt = 60, so it is likely that the Platoons kept their mortars (at that point), supposedly in 43 they were switched and then until/in 44 re-established.[5] If we'd take the 12x50mm given in the Regimental Mortar Company this would give us 12x4=48, either not 60. So it all does not rly add up except using the 1Mortar per Platoon, which I'll do.
Now the question is how this "Mortar Company" may ended up in this slot. In [5] it is mentioned that during 1942 a "Anti-Tank Mortar Platoon was added to the mountain infantry regiment structure"[5, p.48], which equals the name to some degree at least, those were (most likely) 6x125mm "Ampoulomet Mortars" (fire-ampule/vial thrower). Assuming those are being meant and them not being available in game, the addition of 1xFlamethrower Squad seems appropriate.
Another possibility is that this 1942 report was influenced by the removal of 50mm Mortars from the Rifle Companies to make a Regimental Light Mortar Company (18x50mm)[5], but then the 18x4=72 also does not add up to 60.
Sidenote to 1942:
"According to other documents, as of April 1942, in the Mining Division in the staff No. 04/750 (in fact, this is the number of the Rifle Division)"[1]
→ This may explain the "copying" of the regular Rifle Division's TOE in game for Mountain Divisions, at least partially. I'd assume the referred document originates from some converted MRD→RD in early 1942, but just a guess.
1943
April 1943
"There is also a document according to which according to the above-mentioned Shtat No. 04/830, in April 1943, the division was to have 10066 people, 3396 horses, 10 cars, 163 trucks and 32 special vehicles, 14 tractors, 6783 rifles, 974 submachine guns."[1]
- 4xMountain Rifle Regiment[1]
- MG Company (12xHMG[1]) #same as 41
- AT-Mortar (Ampoulets → Flamethrowers → removed during that time [5]
- Light Mortar Company (18x50mm[5]) #new - Mortars from Rifle Companies[5]
- Mortar Company (12x82mm[1]) #same as 41
- SMG Company (98Men[1]) #same as 42 → [5] claims that only in 43 it was added
- ATR Company (15xPTR[5]) #same as 42 → [5] claims that only in 43 it was added - with 15
- Artillery Battery (4x76mm[1]) #same as 41
- Engineer Company (64Men[1]) #was 97Men in 41 (2xPlt of 38Men each)
- AA Platoon (3x12.7mm[1]) #was 3xQuad AAMG
- Horse Recon Platoon (?) #was 25Men 3LMG
- Foot Recon Platoon (?) #was 50Men 4LMG
- 5xRifle Company (171Men, 12xLMG, 2xHMG each[1]) #was 222Men, 12xLMG, 3xHMG in 41
- _____MG Platoon (0xHMG) #dropped[5] was 2xHMG in 42 → 88xHMG becomes ???48???
- 2xPlatoon #was 3 before
- 4 Squads (11Men) #was 12 in 41
- 1xSMG Platoon #new
- 3 Squads (11Men, 11SMG) - applying the later 1944 setup
- _____Mortar Squad (0x50mm) #dropped[5] was 1x50mm before, goes into Regimental light Mortar Co with 18x[5]
- Artillery Regiment
- 2xMountain Battalion (8x76mm + 6x107mm each[1]) #same as 41 guns wise (+2xQuad AAMG)
1xHowitzer Battalion (8x122mm + 6x107mm[1]) #was 2xBattalion total 24x122mm (+2xQuad AAMG)
- AT Battery (8x45mm[1]) #same as 41
- AA Battalion (8x37mm + 15x12.7mm[1]) #(-3=12x12.7mm) in 41
- Engineer Battalion/Sapper Battalion #was 455Men in 41
- 2xCompany (86Men each[1]) #was 118Men each in 41 (3LMG each)
- Cavalry Squadron (118Men[1]) #was 190Men (5 armored cars, 6xLMG)
1944
XX.09.1944: Staff No. 04/650, 8127Men[1], German Intel[4] and Source 5 suggest the change happened in mid 1944 and the large restructuring (from 4Rgtx5Co → to 3Rgtx2Btlx3Co) had here already been taken place.
Following is mostly from [5, p.48]
- 3xMountain Rifle Regiment
- Artillery Battery (4x76mm[5])
- Mortar Battery (4x107mm[5])
- SMG Company (98Men[1] or 95[5, p.48] for ~mid44) (this is sometimes confused with an MG Company [3, p.38])^2
- ATR Platoon (6xPTR[5])
- Recon Company [5] (71Men) #as in 1945
- Pioneer Company [5]
- 2xRifle Battalion
- MG Company (12xHMG[5])
- Mortar Company (6x82mm[5])
- 3xRifle Company (14Men[5])
- 2xRifle Platoon (47Men[5] ea)
4 Leaders[4]
4 Co-Leaders[4]
4 MG Shooters[4]
32 Shooters[4]
=11Men Squads ([5])
- 1xSMG Platoon (36Men[4][5])
3 Leaders[4]
3 Co-Leaders[4]
27 Shooters[4]
=11Men Squads ([5])
- Mortar "Squad/Section" (9Men[4] - should be 2x50mm - which adds up to the 36x50mm[1][3])
- 1xArtillery Regiment
- 3xBattalion
2x([5, p.48] "mountain units similar to those earlier" → earlier was 8x76mm + 6x107mm each)
1x(9x122mm[5, p.48] → earlier this was in 1941: 12x122mm[5] then in 1942: 8x122mm + 6x107mm[1][3])
- AT Battalion (8x45mm[1]) I assume here the name changed to Battalion because PTRDs were added (Rifle Divisions got their PTRD included into the AT Battalion in 1943[5, page 31]), this would give an assumed +32PTRD, which may be underlined by the 1945 stated 80[1] PTRD of which only 36 can/could be allocated to the Regimental AT-Rifle Companies in 1945. The other ones I assume being part of the Artillery Regiment (as was done in the regular Rifle Divisional Artillery Regiment's Howitzer Batteries[5]. So in sum, for 1944 I'd add 32x PTRD for the 1944 and 1945 TOEs.
- AA Battalion (6x37mm + 6x12.7mm AAMG[1])
- Sapper Company (203Men[1]) #was 455Men in 41
- Recon Company (110Men[1])
1945
18.02.1945: Staff No. 04/850, "In total, there are 8196 people, 2515 horses, 119 cars, 72 HMGs and 165 LMGs, 80 PTRD, 36 50-mm, 36 82-mm and 36 107-mm mountain mortars, 24 76-mm mountain guns, 8 45-mm anti-tank guns, 6 12.7 mm anti-aircraft machine guns."[1]
- 3xMountain Rifle Regiment
- Artillery Battery (4x76mm[1])
- ATR Company (12xPTR[1])
- SMG Company (98Men[1] or 95[5, p.48] for ~mid44) (this is sometimes confused with an MG Company [3, p.45])^2
- Recon Company (71Men[1])
- _____Pioneer Company #was removed or missed to be named by [1]
- 2xRifle Battalion
- MG Company (12xHMG[1])
- Mortar Company (ERROR: Sources give 9x82mm[1][3] and sum it up to 36[1][3] but 3Rgt x 2Btlx 9Mortars = 54)^3
- 3xRifle Company
- 2xRifle Platoon (47Men[1] ea)
4 Leaders[4]
4 Co-Leaders[4]
4 MG Shooters[4]
32 Shooters[4]
=11Men Squads ([5, p.48] also gives 11Men for ~mid 44)
- 1xSMG Platoon (38Men[1] 36Men[4])
3 Leaders[4]
3 Co-Leaders[4]
27 Shooters[4]
=11Men Squads ([5, p.48] also gives 11Men for ~mid 44)
- Mortar "Squad/Section" (9Men[4] - should be 2x50mm - which adds up to the 36x50mm[1][3])
- 1xArtillery Regiment^4
- 3xBattalion (4x76mm + 12x107mm ea[1]) → 1x12x107mm exchanged for 12x120mm
- AT Battalion (8x45mm[1]) +32xPTRD (see 1944)
- AA Battalion (6x37mm + 6x12.7mm AAMG[1])
- Sapper Company (203Men[1]) #was 455Men in 41
- Recon Company (110Men[1])
Notes:
^2 Confusing MG and MP is easy to make with translation issues. But numbers of HMGs of 72 fit the 3Rgt x 2Btl x 12HMG =72. So it is evident that the "MG/MP" Company in the Regiment is a MP/SMG Company. Also [5, p.48] states so.
^3 A possibility for this "typo" may either be actual changes for the Divisional TOE or some mixing up between Mountain Brigade and Mountain Division TOEs, since "All the brigades were designated as mountain rifle brigades, with a new
shtat (№ 04/77) being issued for them on 13 January 1945. The shtat authorized each mountain rifle battalion in the brigade to have nine 82-mm mortars"[3]. ...or just some Divisional Battalions actually used Brigade Battalion's setups.
^4 Sources vary or already debate reasons for uncertainties. To me it seems like, since later on (all) Mountain Divisions were inside Mountain Corps (3rd Mountain Corps[2]), that all 122mm were stripped from Divisions to go to Corps Artillery Regiments since "The 98th corps regiment was fully armed with 122 mm howitzers (26 guns)"[2] altough "The corps artillery regiment was supposed to have 28 guns: 16 76-mm divisional guns (USV or ZiS-3) and 12 122-mm howitzers (M-30)"[2]. Partially replacement (altough not officially) was to exchange 12 of the 107mm with 120mm (partially they were already available due to RD→MountainRD-conversions I suppose[4]).
In the following section I'll try to come to conclusions regarding the Questions for Recon and Engineers.
The Sapper/Engineer/Pioneer Question
- 1941:
Wiedrock wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:42 pmSappers: (
...hell each time calculating I get another number - CORRECT ME IF WRONG )
- 6"Mot" Sappers - chosen to use the "Sapper Squad" for them (the German Intel above even marks them with an AT logo!).
- Each Regiment had a pioneer Company with 2 Platoons with 4 Squads each (most likely 9Men), so that's...
4Reg x 1Co x 2Pl x 4Sq = 32Squads
Additionally the Division had a Pioneer battalion - which included the already mentioned "Mot" Sappers (most likely 6 Squads) and 2 Platoons which are almost the same as the ones in the Regiments (saying this without knowing anything about equipments/armaments), so that's...
1Bat x 2Co x 2Pl x 4Sq = 16Squads
In sum this makes at least
6x "Mot" Sapper Squad
48x normal Engineer-Sapper Squad
...and then there is another "special" Platoon I am not sure about - and then there is the Question about the Flame Throwers...I will stick to what POB2 did and exchange 4 regular Sappers for 4 Flamethrowers.
- 1942:
4x Engineer Company (64Men[1]) #was 97Men in 41 (2xPlt of 38Men each)
→This will change from 32Squads to 4x1x2x3Sq=24Squads. 1941 was rounded up generously (4x10 vs 38Men per Platoon), now the assumption is that they switched to a 3Squad setup.
1x Engineer Battalion/Sapper Battalion #was 455Men in 41
- 2xCompany (86Men each[1]) #was 118Men each in 41 (3LMG each)
→This will change from 6xSapper Squad + 16xEngineer-Sapper to 2xSapper + 14xEngineer.
And as before, 4 Engineer Squads will be converted to Flamethrower Squads.
So:
2x "Mot" Sapper Squad
24+14-4=34x normal Engineer-Sapper Squad
+4x Flamethrower Squad
- 1943:
Flamethrowers
→ The 4x Flamethrowers from the "Ampoulet" Mortar are removed, additionally removed/re-exchanged are the Flame-throwers from the Engineers/Chemical Units, regular Rifle Divisions also lost their Flamethrowers in late 1942 and separate Flamethrower Companies were formed [5].
- 1944:
3x Pioneer Company [5]
→ using the same setup as 1942 and applying it to the 3 Regiments setup = 3x1x2x3=18Squads
1x Sapper Company (203Men[1]) #was 455Men in 41
→ using the same setup as 1942
So:
2x "Mot" Sapper Squad
18+14=32x normal Engineer-Sapper Squad
- 1945: → see 1944
3x _____Pioneer Company #was removed or missed to be named by [1]
1x Sapper Company (203Men[1]) #was 455Men in 41
The Recon/Scout Question
For the Regimental part there seem to be not much of a change Regimental Recon manpower staying ~70-75
Divisional Recon manpower got a massive decrease in 1942 and stayed that low.
As mentioned before, the 5xArmored Car will be removed after 1941 TOE, since never mentioned again.
Without creating new Squads, the Regimental Foot Recon will stay the 11Men [10xSMG+1xCarbine] Squad (which I assume is based on some later Mech/Tank TOEs).
- 1941:
Wiedrock wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:42 pmCavalry:
- Each Regiment had 3x 7Men with 1 LMG each, Squads.
4Reg x 1Pl x 3Sq= 12Sq (84Men)
- The Division had a Recon Squadron (Company) with 3 Platoons of 32 Men each with 6LMG each (so most likely 5Men Squads?)
1Co x 3Pl x 6Sq = 18Sq (90Men) → I for now combine the "halve-Squads" and lose therefore 9 LMG, so 3Plx3Sq=9Sq
...so this gives 12Sq+9Sq = 21Sq, but the 18 would also be alright with less "surplus of men in Squads"
Cavalry Recon may need some kind of new Squad in general (it all changed a lot unfortunate), but that's another matter.
- 1942:
4x Horse Recon Platoon (?) #was 25Men 3LMG
→ simply stays 3Squads of 12Men with generous rounding up.
4x Foot Recon Platoon (?) #was 50Men 4LMG
→ stays 4x11Men=16Squads
1x Cavalry Squadron (118Men[1]) #was 190Men (5 armored cars, 6xLMG)
→ remove armored Cars (-20Men (potentially more))
→ as before, without new Squads it's difficult, so it simply stays at 9 Squads.
So:
"-"5 Armored Cars
12+9= 21 Cavalry Squads
16 Recon Squads
- 1943: →see 1942
- 1944:
(seeems like they combined Cavalry/Foot Recons in the Regiments)
3x Recon Company [5] (71Men) #as in 1945
→Foot Recon 3Rgt x 4Sq = 12Squads
→Cavalry Recon 3Rgt x 3Sq = 9Squads
1x Recon Company (110Men[1])
→ remains 9Squads of 12Men of Regular Cavalry in 1942. From 1944 I'll exchange 3 Squads for Cavalry Squad 43 (more SMGs)
So:
3Sq Cavalry 43
9+6=15Sq Cavalry 41v2
12 Recon Squads
- 1945: → see 1944
