1.0.4.4 I like the new economy

[JosEPhII]

I am not good at explaining things as others are, so I will leave it at this.
I know there are many others that think like me and don't want a cake walk when they play. (BUT we don't want to ALWAYS struggle up hill either!)
We want to have to think and take chances like.. should I skimp on military and keep right on colonizing? Or be ready for a surprise attack?

I agree with this and it's what I expect to see and play during the game. I don't want a cakewalk either even on Normal (all settings across the board on Normal or its equivalent). But what I do Object to and will continue to object to is those that come and say too easy when they are playing on easy/semi easy levels. (Oh yeah I forgot, duh, my HW was eXcellent but the economy was still too easy, etc.( a generalization to previous posts not poster)) [8|]

If you can say/show that you play on the Hardest levels across the board, and you are Fighting Wars (not a Peace time economy), and the Economy is Still too easy, and then give some details on How you made it so easy, then I'll shut up and you can then bug the snot out of Elliotg and Erik on making it more difficult. Until then I say moderation and eXplanation before you put up a generalized post saying,"The economy is too easy".

JosEPh

I believe we are running the developer ragged

[JosEPhII]

Oops! thought I hit edit not quote. Sorry for the dbl post

[EisenHammer]

^^ What about the economy is too hard, that a generalization without giving details.
And has anyone got conquer by the AI yet?
 
BTW I was playing on normal.

[jscott991]

I see where this is going.

This game is going to be hijacked by those that want an extreme challenge and eventually we will have a rampantly cheating AI (hello every other Matrix game) and a huge corruption value that players can't effect or do anything about.

I only hope the devs resist this push. But if they do, it will be the first time I've seen it happen in a Matrix-released game.

[Storper]

ORIGINAL: jscott991

I see where this is going.

This game is going to be hijacked by those that want an extreme challenge and eventually we will have a rampantly cheating AI (hello every other Matrix game) and a huge corruption value that players can't effect or do anything about.

I only hope the devs resist this push. But if they do, it will be the first time I've seen it happen in a Matrix-released game.

I got a similar vibe in the thread were I was wondering where all the useful planets went. I felt like the convo was like this;

Me: Well I dont think discovering 31 systems without anything being colonizable makes for a very fun game
Heckler 1: Shut up fool
WitP player: Let me tell you when I go island hopping......
Heckler 2: No you are wrong cannot be like that.
Micro enthusiast: Well if I dont spend 3 hours on every month I feel no challenge so in fact there should only be 1 planet in the entire galaxy that can be colonized.
Player still not playing 1.04: What, when, who?
Player on a 386: Well my system cannot take anymore captain, I´m pushing her as far as I can.
Me: WTF?????

[Munchies]

I see where this is going.

This game is going to be hijacked by those that want an extremely easy game and eventually we will have a crippled AI due to me just having to worry about colonizing and nothing else.

I only hope the devs resist this push.
(Sorry couldn't resist hehe)

It doesn't matter to me one way or the other. If it continues to be this easy I just won't play it. I don't lose anything lol. The Devs will do what they will do after ready the feedback from ALL that wish to post.
If they think it is too hard, then it will be made easier. enough said.


LOL Storper.


P.S. I am not just talking about the economy like you have zeroed in on. As I have said before, the economy may be spot on, but we won't know until other things in the game get balanced/fixed.

[Jaimoe_MatrixForum]

ORIGINAL: Fishman

ORIGINAL: EisenHammer

I was able to get out of the red a few times, it's far from being DOOMED or DEATH.

If you have CASH RESERVES, you are fine. If the red occurs when you have NO cash reserves, you are SCREWED. Without money, you can't do anything, so at that point you are reduced to an impotent observer of a chain of events you are now powerless to affect.

You can scrap part of your fleet(sometimes including unneeded space ports), scrap most of your troops on your home planet, keep taxes on new colonies down to zero, and wait for your population to grow. I've gotten out of the red(with negative reserves as well) a few times this way.

[Fishman]

ORIGINAL: Jaimoe

You can scrap part of your fleet(sometimes including unneeded space ports), scrap most of your troops on your home planet, keep taxes on new colonies down to zero, and wait for your population to grow. I've gotten out of the red(with negative reserves as well) a few times this way.

Well, I suppose relieving yourself of the burden of owning a home planet would probably help, since you no longer have to pay for its upkeep. But deciding which of my 3 ships to scrap is excessively Sophie's Choice.

[taltamir]

ORIGINAL: Jaimoe

ORIGINAL: Fishman

ORIGINAL: EisenHammer

I was able to get out of the red a few times, it's far from being DOOMED or DEATH.

If you have CASH RESERVES, you are fine. If the red occurs when you have NO cash reserves, you are SCREWED. Without money, you can't do anything, so at that point you are reduced to an impotent observer of a chain of events you are now powerless to affect.

You can scrap part of your fleet(sometimes including unneeded space ports), scrap most of your troops on your home planet, keep taxes on new colonies down to zero, and wait for your population to grow. I've gotten out of the red(with negative reserves as well) a few times this way.

This requires that your population has sufficient room to grow.

[DasTactic]

The more I play version 1.0.4.4 the more I think the economy is working well. When starting with challenging settings it doesn't cripple you yet playing on the easier settings it doesn't seem to race away. [:)]

[Fishman]

You know, the real question is not whether the economy is racing away, but whether the AI is keeping up. If you are millions in the black...and so is your opponent, then everything is fine.

[shanicus]

I agree with Fishman! I generally assume that AI players are making money too. At least if they have largish empires...

[taltamir]

ORIGINAL: Fishman

You know, the real question is not whether the economy is racing away, but whether the AI is keeping up. If you are millions in the black...and so is your opponent, then everything is fine.

One of the biggest problem before was bankrupt AI empires... I don't think this is a problem anymore.

[alexalexuk]

i think the real problem here comes from the lack of AI's ability to wage war.

[JosEPhII]

ORIGINAL: EisenHammer

^^ What about the economy is too hard, that a generalization without giving details.
And has anyone got conquer by the AI yet?

BTW I was playing on normal.

The course of this thread's discussion has been "too easy", but both poles generalizations should be avoided. And I personally have repeated that I play all new Patches on Normal (Across the Board) settings on 700 star galaxies.

And Yes I have been conquer by the AI, the Haarkonians. I had 5 or 6 colonies (human republic) and they had over 50. My lunch got handed to me. I was whittled down to 1 colony (and not my HW either) and then subjugated. All the while they kept eXpanding while I sat there year after year going nowhere. So I abandoned that game and so would've you.

i think the real problem here comes from the lack of AI's ability to wage war.

We must be playing different games then. What is you favorite Aggression setting?

I find it hard to consistently wage war as the Humans without suffering terrible revolutions that debilitate my empire. Maybe the Insect races don't suffer from this but the Humanoids do. And god forbid that I should have some extra races/species in my empire when I do go to war. You are assured of empire splits if you play Human or Securian and to a slightly lesser degree Kiadian. But this is a different topic than the topic of this thread. So I will stop.


JosEPh [:)]

[EisenHammer]

ORIGINAL: JosEPh_II
And Yes I have been conquer by the AI, the Haarkonians. I had 5 or 6 colonies (human republic) and they had over 50. My lunch got handed to me. I was whittled down to 1 colony (and not my HW either) and then subjugated. All the while they kept eXpanding while I sat there year after year going nowhere. So I abandoned that game and so would've you.

Well that's good. I'm going to put myself in a disadvantage and see if they wipe me out. I like an AI thats goes for the kill.

[Roghain]

I feel like the economy is a lot less bloated than before. I however still am at a complete loss as to how the numbers work:

I see, on the main screen, that I am in the red (sometimes real bad, like -60k) but my funds still increase. Vice versa too - then I am in the black (well, white really) my cash reserves decrease sometimes.

How can this be? Are there hidden cash flows not rtaken into account in the number that shows cashFLOW (not reserve - that just is my piggy bank I assume). What doi the numbers mean exactly, and how can it be that being in the red doesn't automaticvally means my reserves are diminishing?

[Munchies]

I learned not to look at that number in the top right of my screen.
Click on the economy screen (your flag in the middle top of the screen) to get an accurate view of income.

It said I was +12k and kept losing money, but the other screen had me at -3k which was accurate.