Lend Lease

[uw06670]

Is there anyway for the German player to impact how much Lend Lease gets through? I know there were multiple paths for the supplies to get to the USSR, but my understanding was the Persian route was the single largest. If it were closed off, not all of those supplies could automatically make it in via the other routes, it should reduce it by a significant factor.

perhaps this is already modeled in the game but I couldn't find it in the rules.

thanks,

[Mehring]

How would the Axis close off that route? Not sure, but I suspect supplies could be shipped east of the Caspian.

War in Europe might allow supply interdiction of the Murmansk convoys, if it appears.

[Denniss]

Supply and vehicle deliveries seem hardcoded. The other stuff has already been reduced to the amount arriving in the USSR. I assume you can't cut-off LL North or South.

[uw06670]

Looking at a map again, looks like the Persian Corridor went to Tehran then West of the Caspian and up. If the Germans took Baku, then they would block that route. But yeah, seems they could just route it East of the Sea. So perhaps the most it would do is delay deliveries by a few weeks while they setup a new network.

[jwolf]

If the Germans took Baku, I would think that means game over for the Soviets regardless of Lend Lease.

[Aurelian]

There was also the Pacific route to Vladivostock and the Alaska-Siberia Air Route.

[Omat]

Hello

If the germans take Baku it could also moved east of the Caspian Sea.

[Mehring]

Another thing is the Astrakhan-Baku rail line you see along the Caspian coast was only completed in mid 1942.

[morvael]

I think there would be disruption and delays but eventually deliveries would be re-routed to other places. And there was no way to close the northern route (not the one going around Norway, but the one from the other side) and the far east route (unless Japan would attack USSR). Road through Persia could probably go further east too, should Baku be taken.

In game terms you can disable lend lease in a custom scenario if you want to play without it. Otherwise it's hard to decrease LL, as LL cities are actually off-map and can't be captured.

[micheljq]

I was not aware there was a route through Persia, i though main one was through Murmansk. Germans tried to cut it but it was complicated fielding a large army in that barren area, esay for the soviets to counter it.

Michel.

[morvael]

23% North, 27% Persia, 50% Pacific. Of course the one with most battles is best known, while the others were actually more significant to the war effort. North was important in the first critical period, when USA was not in war, and Britain sent what meager resources she could muster via shortest route.

[micheljq]

50% Pacific via air route? I knew the route existed but 50% lend lease came by air from Pacific? Do i understand correctly!?

Maybe they were sending airplanes, fighters and bombers (like the P39, P40, A20 bomber), that way? surely not the lend lease tanks, i am stunned.

If you have any article on internet about this i would like to read. Thanks.

Michel.

[jwolf]

Pacific route was by ship, not air. Incredibly, Japan agreed to let designated US merchant ships go to Vladivostok on a special route. Really strange.

[morvael]

Ships were under Soviet banner, so they had to let them pass, after inspection. They could not carry weapons, only supplies. So weapons went via Persia and Murmansk.

[uw06670]

WW2 was a conflict so immense in scope. So many facets to it, no matter how much I think I know, it seems there is never an end to information I hadn't heard before.

[micheljq]

I found this on wikipedia :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease ... o_the_USSR