Round two - DING YH v TS

[Yamato hugger]

Its like any other "hits" on a combat report. 6 hits on the sub.

[Charbroiled]

I'm pretty sure it means that the sub TOOK 6 hits...probably from Depth Charges.

[jjax]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Its like any other "hits" on a combat report. 6 hits on the sub.

I know...but im just being a picky grammar nut. It just does not read quite right.

[Yamato hugger]

Ok, I will inform the guys that write the code to make sure the grammar is correct. Look for AE around Christmas - off topic, I just opened a brand new on-line pitchfork shoppe for anyone interested [:D]

[m10bob]

That report of the mini-subs is tremendous!..

[pad152]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ok, I will inform the guys that write the code to make sure the grammar is correct. Look for AE around Christmas - off topic, I just opened a brand new on-line pitchfork shoppe for anyone interested [:D]

I'm not talking about grammer, I'm talking about meaning.

SSX Ha-24 settles to bottom of harbor at Pearl Harbor and is lost
Midget Submarine Ha-14 becomes lost and returns to I-20

Ha-24 got lost and was recovered by I-20 (didn't sink)?
Ha-14 got lost and what happened to it? (did it sink or not)?

There is a difference between missing and sunk! Just saying it is lost is unclear.

Is there a difference between SSX and Midget Submarine, (aren't both Midget subs)?

[jjax]

ORIGINAL: pad152

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ok, I will inform the guys that write the code to make sure the grammar is correct. Look for AE around Christmas - off topic, I just opened a brand new on-line pitchfork shoppe for anyone interested [:D]

I'm not talking about grammer, I'm talking about meaning.

SSX Ha-24 settles to bottom of harbor at Pearl Harbor and is lost
Midget Submarine Ha-14 becomes lost and returns to I-20

Ha-24 got lost and was recovered by I-20 (didn't sink)?
Ha-14 got lost and what happened to it? (did it sink or not)?

There is a difference between missing and sunk! Just saying it is lost is unclear.

Is there a difference between SSX and Midget Submarine, (aren't both Midget subs)?

That jab was aimed at me.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: pad152

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ok, I will inform the guys that write the code to make sure the grammar is correct. Look for AE around Christmas - off topic, I just opened a brand new on-line pitchfork shoppe for anyone interested [:D]

I'm not talking about grammer, I'm talking about meaning.

SSX Ha-24 settles to bottom of harbor at Pearl Harbor and is lost
Midget Submarine Ha-14 becomes lost and returns to I-20

Ha-24 got lost and was recovered by I-20 (didn't sink)?
Ha-14 got lost and what happened to it? (did it sink or not)?

There is a difference between missing and sunk! Just saying it is lost is unclear.

Is there a difference between SSX and Midget Submarine, (aren't both Midget subs)?

T'was clear to me. I guess it's just fog of war.

[pad152]

COMBAT EVENTS FOR 12/07/41

I-16 launches midget submarine Ha-22 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-22 hits a mine and is destroyed at Pearl Harbor
I-18 launches midget submarine Ha-24 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-24 penetrates harbor at Pearl Harbor!!!
SSX Ha-24 settles to bottom of harbor at Pearl Harbor and is lost
I am guessing this line went to the log after the attack
I-20 launches midget submarine Ha-14 to attack Pearl Harbor
Midget Submarine Ha-14 becomes lost and returns to I-20
I-22 launches midget submarine Ha-18 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-18 founders and is lost attempting to penetrate harbor at Pearl Harbor
I-24 launches midget submarine Ha-19 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-19 unable to penetrate harbor at Pearl Harbor and is abandoned

Why use (midget submarine, Midget Submarine, and SSX), pick one! That's not fog of war, just hard to read!

[Yamato hugger]

Dec 8th. Lexington has been located!

A Dutch sub attacked the Kota Bharu landing force and ASW ships reported 10 hits on it, but no report of a sinking. Later in the day, this same boat was hit by ASW forces at Singora scoring 2 more hits in the afternoon. Another boat attacked the Singora force for no effect on either side.

I-20 hit a mine at Pearl launching its mini. The SSX failed to penetrate the harbor. I 20 has 38 sys 48 flt (35 of that major). Shes hurting and headed to Tokyo.

3 TBs patrolling south of Hong Kong reacted to enemy TFs in the harbor and engaged several. The first battle caught 4 of them and sank them all. The next one caught 2 more and left them both with heavy damage and heavy fires. The 3rd was 5, sank 1 heavy damage and fires on 2, and heavy fires on another. 1 of these was untouched.

2 fighter sweeps over Manila (22 a/c in the 1st and 6 in the 2nd) met 15 P-40Es and flammed 9 losing 1 Zero.

Bombers attacked the airfield and an AK in Hong Kong hitting the AK once causing heavy fires. This ship was not reported to have been hit previously by the TBs. Bettys returned in the afternoon to hit the airfield.

Sallys raid the airfield at Georgetown for no effect.

Sonias with Nate escort attack Chinese ground units west of Hangkow.

Lexington launched a strike at a pair of DDs 440 mi almost due east of Wake at a 1 hex range. They hit nothing but a school of fish in the morning and hit Ushio with a bomb and 2 torps in the afternoon sinking her. KB smells blood in the water and is ordered to move in at flank speed. These 2 DDs are part of the "bait force". They were the 2 that bombarded Midway.

3 Mabels attack an undamaged AK at Hong Kong scoring 3 hits and lighting heavy fires. 6 Anns and 4 Idas attack 2 more undamaged AKs and score 9 hits between them putting heavy damge and lighting heavy fires on both. 6 Sonias hit the AK that the TBs had missed earlier 3 times and the by now usual heavy damage and heavy fires.

90 twin engine bombers in 3 raids hit Taiping damaging the airfield. No aircraft losses.

Pengpu was taken from the 89th Chinese Corps by 13th Ind.Mixed Brigade at 170:1 odds.

56th Infantry Regiment forced FMSV Brigade and 8th Indian Brigade to retreat from Kota Bharu at 6:1

51st naval guard landed on and took Tarawa.

1st Yokosuka SNLF landed at and took Naga (airborne assault).

8 DC-2s were reported shot down over Hong Kong presumeably evaccing troops.

[Dili]

If it is lost and don't say anything more means that the mother sub doesn't know what happened. If say it is lost and returned to the mother sub, means the midget couldn't find a way to the harbour. At least is how i understand it.

Btw is there a way to tweak results of midgets like giving better or worse values to its commanders?

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: pad152

COMBAT EVENTS FOR 12/07/41

I-16 launches midget submarine Ha-22 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-22 hits a mine and is destroyed at Pearl Harbor
I-18 launches midget submarine Ha-24 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-24 penetrates harbor at Pearl Harbor!!!
SSX Ha-24 settles to bottom of harbor at Pearl Harbor and is lost
I am guessing this line went to the log after the attack
I-20 launches midget submarine Ha-14 to attack Pearl Harbor
Midget Submarine Ha-14 becomes lost and returns to I-20
I-22 launches midget submarine Ha-18 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-18 founders and is lost attempting to penetrate harbor at Pearl Harbor
I-24 launches midget submarine Ha-19 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-19 unable to penetrate harbor at Pearl Harbor and is abandoned

Why use (midget submarine, Midget Submarine, and SSX), pick one! That's not fog of war, just hard to read!

I will add this to the list of items at an appropriate priority.

[Kwik E Mart]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: pad152

COMBAT EVENTS FOR 12/07/41

I-16 launches midget submarine Ha-22 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-22 hits a mine and is destroyed at Pearl Harbor
I-18 launches midget submarine Ha-24 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-24 penetrates harbor at Pearl Harbor!!!
SSX Ha-24 settles to bottom of harbor at Pearl Harbor and is lost
I am guessing this line went to the log after the attack
I-20 launches midget submarine Ha-14 to attack Pearl Harbor
Midget Submarine Ha-14 becomes lost and returns to I-20
I-22 launches midget submarine Ha-18 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-18 founders and is lost attempting to penetrate harbor at Pearl Harbor
I-24 launches midget submarine Ha-19 to attack Pearl Harbor
SSX Ha-19 unable to penetrate harbor at Pearl Harbor and is abandoned

Why use (midget submarine, Midget Submarine, and SSX), pick one! That's not fog of war, just hard to read!

I will add this to the list of items at an appropriate priority.

LOL....low to sub-terranian? [:D]

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

A Dutch sub attacked the Kota Bharu landing force and ASW ships reported 10 hits on it, but no report of a sinking. Later in the day, this same boat was hit by ASW forces at Singora scoring 2 more hits in the afternoon.

Lexington launched a strike at a pair of DDs 440 mi almost due east of Wake at a 1 hex range.

OK - with FOW just how do you know those two things in bold above?

[Yamato hugger]

Well on the sub attacks, from this on the first attack:
Japanese Ships
xAK Ayatosan Maru
PB Tatsumiya Maru
SC Ch 9
SC Ch 7
DMS W-3

Allied Ships
SS KXI, hits 10
And this on the 2nd:
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ASW attack near Singora at 51,72

Japanese Ships
AV Sagara Maru
xAP Naminoue Maru
xAK Kyokko Maru
xAK Syoto Maru
xAK Asosan Maru
PB Eiko Maru
PB Chosa Maru
SC Ch 8
DMS W-6

Allied Ships
SS KXI, hits 2

Now, as far as I can report, thats the same boat. If it isnt because of FoW then it did its job in confusing the Jap player.

As for the carrier, that was easy:



Has to be the Lex, because E couldnt be here on Dec 8.

[W T Door]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

My guess would be you had auto-subs set to yes. Thats the default on it (dont ask me why).

Thanks, I'll take a look.

Went back and looked, auto-subs has been off from the beginning (I haven't changed any settings), puzzling.

[helldiver]

W T Door.

Yes, this happens, even with the auto-subs setting "off.." One doesn't really notice until a sub is suddenly seen under "Computer Control" and off on a mission of its own (and I think it is only after being in port for repair/refuel). It's annoying, but not serious; it does require kicking up the micromanagement a bit to not only ensure your SS are doing what you want, but also that they're not doing what you don't want (like driving up to Fisherman's Wharf)... requires a look-see at all subs each turn... I am not sure if this was addressed in the AE re-write, though I doubt it...

Regards,
Helldiver

[witpqs]

So you knew about the range to the carrier because it was spotted - no 'magic lines' appeared to an empty hex on the map. That's good!

The sub I am less enthusiastic about. How does a sub - that survives and escapes - get identified?

[Yamato hugger]

Ever see "Operation Petticoat"? By the bras in the water following them [:D]

Actually the easiest way is by radio intercept. A sub will radio a contact report (if possible). A radio operators "style" is like a fingerprint (or so Im told) and after doing it a while you can tell 1 from another. Ive read a few books about the "Ultra" intercepts in the ETO and they had so many messages to decode, they looked first at the operators they knew were various HQs.

Then again, could be simple as a surfaced sub attack (which happens), or the guy on the radio saying "Hey you, this is me, we are here and did it" in the clear. Thats why S-2's get paid [;)]

[W T Door]

ORIGINAL: Helldiver

W T Door.

Yes, this happens, even with the auto-subs setting "off.." One doesn't really notice until a sub is suddenly seen under "Computer Control" and off on a mission of its own (and I think it is only after being in port for repair/refuel). It's annoying, but not serious; it does require kicking up the micromanagement a bit to not only ensure your SS are doing what you want, but also that they're not doing what you don't want (like driving up to Fisherman's Wharf)... requires a look-see at all subs each turn... I am not sure if this was addressed in the AE re-write, though I doubt it...

Regards,
Helldiver

Ah well, maybe in a later patch. The irritating thing about it is that it keeps my subs from ever really completeing repairs, so they're never really 100%.

Thats why S-2's get paid

Or possibly even N-2s.....