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Turn cycle
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:24 pm
by Spanno
Are there any arguments for playing on a turn cycle other than one? Apart from the obvious time it will take to play.
RE: Turn cycle
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:30 pm
by Jorge_Stanbury
time and less micromanagement;
less control, more careful play as bad decisions can't be reverted until the full cycle ends
RE: Turn cycle
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:07 pm
by Kull
It does give the AI an extra advantage - the AI is still stringing the turns together a day at a time, but you are not.
RE: Turn cycle
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:20 pm
by Spanno
Ahh okay, thank you both for your responses.
RE: Turn cycle
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:41 pm
by kbfchicago
I've posted on this topic a few times over the years (been playing since shortly after AE was released). 2 turn cycle is all I'll play, I will also note I seem to be in the minority when discussion comes up and when I review PBEM Opponent requests.
For me it's a better game with 2 turn cycles.
Use of multiple day turns expands (significantly) the planing dimensions of the game. Especially the naval engagements.
The game has an exceptional AI component (not talking AI opponent here, the AI in use for your units at the operational and tactical level). My preference is to leverage this AI, representative of local commanders making their own decisions and reduce my ability to micromanage. Your pick of leaders at that level can help influence outcomes (which brings up another point, importance of leaders increases with multi-turn cycle), but as in real life...there's almost never a guarantee of any outcome, especially the more dicey engagements.
Additionally I think the 2 day cycle is better representation of the state of communications and control during WWII. That's important to me.
As noted above; it gives the AI (opponent) a bump up, it plans every day even in the two turn cycle (at least that has been my assumption, I have no facts to confirm but watching the turn progression display am pretty sure this is the case). If I start an AI game again I'll likely give 3 day turns a shot for this reason alone. You also get done (or to what ever point you or our PBEM opponent call done) twice as fast.
In the end it's about what you want, I push for maximum realism and getting the game closer to a simulation. For that reason I've also moved to LST's "Bottlenecks in the Pacific" Mod which builds on DBBs changes to game mechanics, expansion of forces with some additional historical elements not in either stock or DBB. (e.g. German Uboats)
You can't go wrong either way (1 day or multi-day cycles), either way it is a great game with superior depth.
Happy gaming,
Kevin
RE: Turn cycle
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:56 am
by Spanno
ORIGINAL: kbfchicago
I've posted on this topic a few times over the years (been playing since shortly after AE was released). 2 turn cycle is all I'll play, I will also note I seem to be in the minority when discussion comes up and when I review PBEM Opponent requests.
For me it's a better game with 2 turn cycles.
Use of multiple day turns expands (significantly) the planing dimensions of the game. Especially the naval engagements.
The game has an exceptional AI component (not talking AI opponent here, the AI in use for your units at the operational and tactical level). My preference is to leverage this AI, representative of local commanders making their own decisions and reduce my ability to micromanage. Your pick of leaders at that level can help influence outcomes (which brings up another point, importance of leaders increases with multi-turn cycle), but as in real life...there's almost never a guarantee of any outcome, especially the more dicey engagements.
Additionally I think the 2 day cycle is better representation of the state of communications and control during WWII. That's important to me.
As noted above; it gives the AI (opponent) a bump up, it plans every day even in the two turn cycle (at least that has been my assumption, I have no facts to confirm but watching the turn progression display am pretty sure this is the case). If I start an AI game again I'll likely give 3 day turns a shot for this reason alone. You also get done (or to what ever point you or our PBEM opponent call done) twice as fast.
In the end it's about what you want, I push for maximum realism and getting the game closer to a simulation. For that reason I've also moved to LST's "Bottlenecks in the Pacific" Mod which builds on DBBs changes to game mechanics, expansion of forces with some additional historical elements not in either stock or DBB. (e.g. German Uboats)
You can't go wrong either way (1 day or multi-day cycles), either way it is a great game with superior depth.
Happy gaming,
Kevin
Thanks for the detailed reply Kevin, would you still suggest 2 day cycles to a beginner?
RE: Turn cycle
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:06 pm
by kbfchicago
I would recommend playing the short duration scenarios like Guadalcanal or Aleutians with one day cycle. Repetition and detail likely of benefit in seeing how the game plays and AI (both opponent and your own unit's) operate.
Once you move to the Campaign, if you're looking for the benefits discussed above, go with 2 turn cycle. You may want to play a couple of test "starts" for a few months each, one with one day, the second game with two day cycles to see which you prefer. In the end it's all about what you want to get out of AE, there is no right answer only the best answer for you.
Happy gaming
Kevin
Edit....
Happy to help with this if you'd like, am in a slow moving PBEM so would have some time to start a campaign with a known short duration (say 120 game calendar days...more a coaching game vs competative), give you a chance to start a campaign PBEM without the pressure of following through for next three years
. I'm ambidextrous, so can play either side. PM me if you're interested. Kevin