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Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:39 am
by sveint
While this video doesn't directly address the subject, it's a very good start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D5qYltv4bU
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:24 pm
by ncc1701e
Any general winning major battles is usually overrated, in any game.
Designer always want to reproduce history.
That's why people like Rydz-Śmigły, Gamelin or Lord Gort are never overrated.

Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:02 pm
by AlvaroSousa
I thought I posted on this....
While the rating #s look scary the benefit is not that huge. If I remember it is a +1% , -1% advantage for each 1 point difference. Tenacity can compensate for it. Some lower general with lots of men and a high tenacity against a smaller unit with a good general can create more casualties that it kills the smaller unit by ratio lowering the overall advantage of the commander rating.
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:18 am
by generalfdog
Nah Manstein was amazing, and so were many other german generals that aren't represented such as Balck if anything he should be better!
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:00 am
by michaelCLARADY
Leading the German Army in WW2 was so simple a corporal could do it.
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:10 am
by michaelCLARADY
By the time of WW2 Generals at the Army or Group level were merely administrators dependent upon their staff. Eisenhower- more politician than soldier. Patton and MacArthur were both better troop leaders.
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:55 pm
by IslandInland
I haven't watched the video in the OP.
When anyone mentions Manstein or I see him in a documentary or represented in a game I often think of this:-
"When it became obvious that Hitler was not going to appoint him to a new post, Manstein bought an estate in East Pomerania in October 1944, but he was soon forced to abandon it when Soviet forces overran the area."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_Manstein
It makes me wonder just great a general he actually was if he was buying land in eastern Pomerania in October 1944.
Would he not have minded having Stalin as landlord or did he think the Soviets would be happy to let him keep his estate after their victory?
Or even worse perhaps he still believed in a German victory.
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:50 pm
by AlvaroSousa
You can be good at one thing and an bad at another.
I have a friend who is in real estate. He knows everything about real estate. He works on excel sheets to valuate properties he wants to buy, fix, and resell. Runs all the numbers and makes sure he is making a certain profit. He is ruthlessly efficient at it.
Many months ago he told me he was buying a Tesla Model Y for $60,000 to save on gas.
I said buy a used car for 1/3rd the price.
He said gas is going to get to $10 a gallon *panic, panic*
So I worked the math out for him showing he he is needlessly spending $20,000 more between cost to buy and cost to own compared to buying a new gas car. The used car difference was even greater. He still bought the car ranting about saving gas. A few months later the Model Y dropped to $40,000. Now it is about break even assuming you drive 12,000 miles a year compared to a similar new gas car.
Buying a 2-3 year old car is your best value for your money.
How he can be that numerically detailed at real estate and think buying a $60,000 EV to save on gas without doing the math still has me scratching my head.
So you see, people can be good at one thing and bad at another.
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:14 pm
by StalnoyMonstr
Bravo! This is just a great example, my applause!! It’s the same as saving money for a new laptop, buying beer in aluminum cans, then handing over the metal to a collection point and using the proceeds to buy electronics)))
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 2:20 pm
by Platoonist
AlvaroSousa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:50 pm
So you see, people can be good at one thing and bad at another.
Good for a combat command but keep this man away from your financial investments.

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Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:28 pm
by stjeand
Platoonist wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 2:20 pm
Good for a combat command but keep this man away from your financial investments.
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And your booze cabinet.
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:44 pm
by michaelCLARADY
AlvaroSousa wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:50 pm
Many months ago he told me he was buying a Tesla Model Y for $60,000 to save on gas.
I said buy a used car for 1/3rd the price.
He said gas is going to get to $10 a gallon *panic, panic*
, but myself I would not be able to sleep
Depending on where you live, finding a charging station ranges between difficult to next to impossible. Oh sure you can spend even more upfront to have a charger in the garage, but myself I would be unable to sleep at night with the extremely toxic intense fire risk. Then of course most of the USA is either too hot or too cold over half the year for good battery life.
Re: Why Manstein is hugely overrated
Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:22 pm
by HOTEC
My Manstein is always killed in the first turn!!!