Last call for OOB changes
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I hope 8.0 will fix problem i have with earlier OOB file, playing LVMC and some weird things show up, one battle had T-26 tanks with icon of T-34 and also armour values were T-34, another battle had 2 engineer squads, when i clicked engineer squad it did claim its a halftrack carrieng that squad and even did make halftrack sound when moving, now when i tried unload squad from that "illusion" halftrack whole squad did disappear
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USMC OOB
1. Is there any way you can add the 37mm AT with the special shot-gun round to the USMC OOB? It was used very effectively during the mid-43-43 period.
2. Over the years, many designers or developers have created custom or new units/icons for various campaigns or scenarios that they have either designed or help create. For example, a IJN frieghter was designed MCWT or aircraft to put on airfields. I realize we have a slot issue but if possible, I think we need to take advantage of their hard work and creative talents.
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2. Over the years, many designers or developers have created custom or new units/icons for various campaigns or scenarios that they have either designed or help create. For example, a IJN frieghter was designed MCWT or aircraft to put on airfields. I realize we have a slot issue but if possible, I think we need to take advantage of their hard work and creative talents.
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This one is somewhat important and was caught last night in a hot seat game I was playing
I was playing as the French in May of 1940 and my opponent was the Germans
He was using Spec Ops squads who I was quite suprised to find fired MG-42's at me
Now unless they were armed with prototypes from the Mauser factory they should instead be armed with MG-34's
I was playing as the French in May of 1940 and my opponent was the Germans
He was using Spec Ops squads who I was quite suprised to find fired MG-42's at me
Now unless they were armed with prototypes from the Mauser factory they should instead be armed with MG-34's
Fallschirmjager wrote:This one is somewhat important and was caught last night in a hot seat game I was playing
He was using Spec Ops squads who I was quite suprised to find fired MG-42's at me
Now unless they were armed with prototypes from the Mauser factory they should instead be armed with MG-34's
Important..well..yes and no imho. Problem is again the lack of OOB slots. There's only one spec ops squad for the time period of 1938-1949. So whatever weapons you give to them they can be considered wrongly armed at some time period.
Of course the mg-34 was available whole war, even though when mg-42 become available the 34's were assigned to more 'clean' tasks..it was after all rather delicate piece of machinery.
Just my opinion.
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AhhVoriax wrote:Important..well..yes and no imho. Problem is again the lack of OOB slots. There's only one spec ops squad for the time period of 1938-1949. So whatever weapons you give to them they can be considered wrongly armed at some time period.
Of course the mg-34 was available whole war, even though when mg-42 become available the 34's were assigned to more 'clean' tasks..it was after all rather delicate piece of machinery.
Just my opinion.
Voriax
I see now
Hmm...Maybe some German, American and British equipment needs to be moved to some of the other nations OOB's to free up some room
Got some errors in the Chinese OOB's, and some potential ones. Are foreign equipment supposed to have the same ratings? EG, a captured Japanese tank; should that have the same ratings in both OOB's? How about TMG vs. BMG--if it's the same weapon in a different slot, shouldn't it have the same PEN and WARHEAD ratings (ACC and RANGE could easily be different, the bow is a less than ideal position)?
I don't want to report a non-issue.
I don't want to report a non-issue.
Glen, still taking suggestions?
If so, I've a few to post, but wanted to make sure I was referencing the correct baseline.
We're talking changes to the 7.1 OOBs, correct?
I actually like Leo's picture changes more, but some of the categories are "unique" in H2H.fr (currently firing Italian 8mm MGs that have helicopter icons
).
If it's 7.1:
-The Pz IV d & e have their images swapped, both pictures correct, but just reversed.
-GE Engineers have the MG 34 in all dates, but I understand why now, OOB space.
-GE (and other) T 35 icon is very large, much more so than the T 38 on the maps. Apparently this isn't historically accurate.
-GE Long Campaigns can buy/upgrade "core" units to 88mm-armed forts (costal guns?), any way to eliminate that?
-GE 75mm Howitzer has a 92 "max penetration" value, IIRC, but doesn't come with either AP, APCR, or HEAT.
-SO picture for the PT-34 correct?
-SO CPT (assuming "captured") assault gun sections have SO-manufactored SP AT guns, IIRC. SU-57s?
A few more, but I'll have to search my old posts when I have time.
Thanks! And good luck to all involved.
If so, I've a few to post, but wanted to make sure I was referencing the correct baseline.
We're talking changes to the 7.1 OOBs, correct?
I actually like Leo's picture changes more, but some of the categories are "unique" in H2H.fr (currently firing Italian 8mm MGs that have helicopter icons
).If it's 7.1:
-The Pz IV d & e have their images swapped, both pictures correct, but just reversed.
-GE Engineers have the MG 34 in all dates, but I understand why now, OOB space.
-GE (and other) T 35 icon is very large, much more so than the T 38 on the maps. Apparently this isn't historically accurate.
-GE Long Campaigns can buy/upgrade "core" units to 88mm-armed forts (costal guns?), any way to eliminate that?
-GE 75mm Howitzer has a 92 "max penetration" value, IIRC, but doesn't come with either AP, APCR, or HEAT.
-SO picture for the PT-34 correct?
-SO CPT (assuming "captured") assault gun sections have SO-manufactored SP AT guns, IIRC. SU-57s?
A few more, but I'll have to search my old posts when I have time.
Thanks! And good luck to all involved.
Here they are. I checked ChiComs and Nat'list China. Didn't check every last arty piece for every last detail, but this should be pretty extensive. Also found things about related OOB's as I searched.
MCSE member using 8.0 OOB's (same ones sent to Bernie):
United Kingdom:
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1.) SAS Team has no Pic.
Communist China:
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Cpt 95 Ha Go:
1.) Weapon stats do not match those in Japanese OOB.
2.) Armor does not match that of Type 95 Ha Go (either variant), including slope values.
3.) Speed, Size, Fire Control, Rangefinder don't match Jp. OOB.
Command Car:
1.) Possible Error: Shows Jeep as pic.
Hanyang 88 Rifle:
1.) Has 31 AP-Pen (I want that rifle!!
30 Cal MMG:
1.) Does not match US 30 Cal MMG, shows same pic. Is this the same weapon?
75mm Howitzer:
1.) Uses 75mm leIG18 as indirect-fire piece.
CC Inf-AT Team:
1.) Shows Bazooka as pic.
2.) Lists Type 97 ATR as weapon.
3.) Weapon stats are some sort of Range 1 explosive(?). Definitely NOT Type 97 ATR as per Japanese OOB.
3.7cm PaK35
1.) Size lists 1, size is 0 in GE OOB.
40mm Bofors AA
1.) Is this same as 40mm Bofors AA in US OOB?
CC Rifle Squad +
1.) 6.5mm Taisho LMG appears to be 6.5mm Type 11 LMG from Japanese OOB. If so, does not match (Kill 5, should be 6).
Knee Mortar Squad
1.) Carries Tp 89 HGL, not a Knee Mortar from the Jp. OOB as name suggests. Is this right?
Scout Car
1.) Pic is Jeep. Is this right?
FAI Armored Car
1.) Armor and slope different from original in SO OOB.
Crewmen
1.) Pic is some sort of jet/airplane/glider!
CC Cavalry
1.) Many formations appear to be Light Infantry, but have 18:1 for speed instead of standard 24:2 for speed. Is this an error, or a natural deficiency of CC Cav?
Nationalist China:
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PzKpfw-1a:
1.) 7.92mm (2) TMG has pen 0:0, doesn't match that in GE PzKpfw-1b.
T-26 TU M33:
1.) Hull Armor Slope doesn't match original in Soviet OOB.
Cpt. Ha-Go
1.) Weapon names match, armor matches, but nothing else matches up, with either Ha-Go in Jp. OOB.
Cpt. Type 94
1.) TMG's stats do not match with Jp. OOB.
2.) Carry value doesn't match Jp. OOB.
M5A1 Stuart
1.) Armor & Weapon stats don't jive with US M5A1, including slope and stats for exact same weapon names.
Cpt. Chi-Ha:
1.) Speed, armor, weapon stats, don't match with Chi Ha in Jp. OOB.
SdKfz 221
1.) MG34 TMG and Survivability don't match GE OOB.
Hanyang 88 Rifle
1.) Same 31 AP-PEN problem
Jeep .30 Cal
1.) .30 cal AAMG's range doesn't match that in US OOB.
Mack Hvy Truck
1.) Listed twice, 1 w/pistol, 1 w/o. Error?
M3A3 Stuart
1.) Possible error: Listed twice with changes (minor) in speed, radio, and end-date. Error? Or were there 2 minor variants?
75mm Howitzer:
1.) Uses Infantry Gun as Howitzer. Error?
MMG Squad
1.) Uses MG34 MMG, pic is of wheeled, water-cooled MMG.
2.) HMG (Type 26) and MMG (MG34) have performance issues reversed. IE, MG34 MMG appears to be the better weapon than the Type 26. Is this accurate?
MG34 LMG Squad
1.) Pen values don't match MG34 LMG in German OOB. Error?
37mm PaK35
1.) Weapon stats vary from those in German and CC OOB's.
37mm M3A1 ATG
1.) Has 37mm M6 ATG.
20mm Oerlikon
1.) Weapon stats don't match those in CC OOB.
P-38J Lightning:
1.) 50 cal HMG stats don't match those of US P38J.
P-51D Mustang:
1.) Has an armor point, US P-51D doesn't.
1.) 50 cal HMG stats, as above.
SdKfz-222:
1.) Weapons stats don't match those of GE OOB.
Knee Mortar Squad
1.) Uses "Knee Mortar," which doesn't match any Japanese OOB KM's. Error?
4.2in Mortar Squad
1.) Weapon stats don't match US OOB's.
M16 MGMC
1.) Quad-50 AA guns PEN doesn't match US OOB's.
Type 22 AC:
1.) Slight variances in weapon and vehicle performance from CC OOB.
BA 20:
1.) Weapon performance varies form same weapon in SO OOB.
88mm FlaK-18:
1.) Weapon performance varies slightly from same in GE OOB
37mm FlaK-36:
1.) Weapon performance varies slightly from same in GE OOB
Soviet Union:
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Many GAZ-M1 Vehicles have pics of sexy Rolls-Royce-looking towncars.
Carrier and Carrier FO pic's have bad pallette.
GAZ-AA is truck... is this right?
MCSE member using 8.0 OOB's (same ones sent to Bernie):
United Kingdom:
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1.) SAS Team has no Pic.
Communist China:
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Cpt 95 Ha Go:
1.) Weapon stats do not match those in Japanese OOB.
2.) Armor does not match that of Type 95 Ha Go (either variant), including slope values.
3.) Speed, Size, Fire Control, Rangefinder don't match Jp. OOB.
Command Car:
1.) Possible Error: Shows Jeep as pic.
Hanyang 88 Rifle:
1.) Has 31 AP-Pen (I want that rifle!!
30 Cal MMG:
1.) Does not match US 30 Cal MMG, shows same pic. Is this the same weapon?
75mm Howitzer:
1.) Uses 75mm leIG18 as indirect-fire piece.
CC Inf-AT Team:
1.) Shows Bazooka as pic.
2.) Lists Type 97 ATR as weapon.
3.) Weapon stats are some sort of Range 1 explosive(?). Definitely NOT Type 97 ATR as per Japanese OOB.
3.7cm PaK35
1.) Size lists 1, size is 0 in GE OOB.
40mm Bofors AA
1.) Is this same as 40mm Bofors AA in US OOB?
CC Rifle Squad +
1.) 6.5mm Taisho LMG appears to be 6.5mm Type 11 LMG from Japanese OOB. If so, does not match (Kill 5, should be 6).
Knee Mortar Squad
1.) Carries Tp 89 HGL, not a Knee Mortar from the Jp. OOB as name suggests. Is this right?
Scout Car
1.) Pic is Jeep. Is this right?
FAI Armored Car
1.) Armor and slope different from original in SO OOB.
Crewmen
1.) Pic is some sort of jet/airplane/glider!
CC Cavalry
1.) Many formations appear to be Light Infantry, but have 18:1 for speed instead of standard 24:2 for speed. Is this an error, or a natural deficiency of CC Cav?
Nationalist China:
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PzKpfw-1a:
1.) 7.92mm (2) TMG has pen 0:0, doesn't match that in GE PzKpfw-1b.
T-26 TU M33:
1.) Hull Armor Slope doesn't match original in Soviet OOB.
Cpt. Ha-Go
1.) Weapon names match, armor matches, but nothing else matches up, with either Ha-Go in Jp. OOB.
Cpt. Type 94
1.) TMG's stats do not match with Jp. OOB.
2.) Carry value doesn't match Jp. OOB.
M5A1 Stuart
1.) Armor & Weapon stats don't jive with US M5A1, including slope and stats for exact same weapon names.
Cpt. Chi-Ha:
1.) Speed, armor, weapon stats, don't match with Chi Ha in Jp. OOB.
SdKfz 221
1.) MG34 TMG and Survivability don't match GE OOB.
Hanyang 88 Rifle
1.) Same 31 AP-PEN problem
Jeep .30 Cal
1.) .30 cal AAMG's range doesn't match that in US OOB.
Mack Hvy Truck
1.) Listed twice, 1 w/pistol, 1 w/o. Error?
M3A3 Stuart
1.) Possible error: Listed twice with changes (minor) in speed, radio, and end-date. Error? Or were there 2 minor variants?
75mm Howitzer:
1.) Uses Infantry Gun as Howitzer. Error?
MMG Squad
1.) Uses MG34 MMG, pic is of wheeled, water-cooled MMG.
2.) HMG (Type 26) and MMG (MG34) have performance issues reversed. IE, MG34 MMG appears to be the better weapon than the Type 26. Is this accurate?
MG34 LMG Squad
1.) Pen values don't match MG34 LMG in German OOB. Error?
37mm PaK35
1.) Weapon stats vary from those in German and CC OOB's.
37mm M3A1 ATG
1.) Has 37mm M6 ATG.
20mm Oerlikon
1.) Weapon stats don't match those in CC OOB.
P-38J Lightning:
1.) 50 cal HMG stats don't match those of US P38J.
P-51D Mustang:
1.) Has an armor point, US P-51D doesn't.
1.) 50 cal HMG stats, as above.
SdKfz-222:
1.) Weapons stats don't match those of GE OOB.
Knee Mortar Squad
1.) Uses "Knee Mortar," which doesn't match any Japanese OOB KM's. Error?
4.2in Mortar Squad
1.) Weapon stats don't match US OOB's.
M16 MGMC
1.) Quad-50 AA guns PEN doesn't match US OOB's.
Type 22 AC:
1.) Slight variances in weapon and vehicle performance from CC OOB.
BA 20:
1.) Weapon performance varies form same weapon in SO OOB.
88mm FlaK-18:
1.) Weapon performance varies slightly from same in GE OOB
37mm FlaK-36:
1.) Weapon performance varies slightly from same in GE OOB
Soviet Union:
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Many GAZ-M1 Vehicles have pics of sexy Rolls-Royce-looking towncars.
Carrier and Carrier FO pic's have bad pallette.
GAZ-AA is truck... is this right?
Irinami, good work 
Gaz-AA is indeed a truck.
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gazaa.htm for info.
Voriax
Gaz-AA is indeed a truck.
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gazaa.htm for info.
Voriax
Oh God give Me strength to accept those things I cannot change with a firearm!
A Request
Please consider making Barges recon units.
Here's why - I am currently playing a river crossing as Soviets with C&C on. I have a barge w/out a radio and it is out of contact. It has delivered its first tank but it won't turn around and pick up the next tank that it can see on the opposite riverbank. Obviously, this isn't an issue with C&C off but it is very annoying as it is now.
Also, in a similar vein, is it possible to make tank crews recon without making the parent tank a recon unit? Again, with C&C on, it would be nice to be able to move a tank crew AWAY from the battle instead of always towards the objective and the enemy.
Thanks for your consideration.
Here's why - I am currently playing a river crossing as Soviets with C&C on. I have a barge w/out a radio and it is out of contact. It has delivered its first tank but it won't turn around and pick up the next tank that it can see on the opposite riverbank. Obviously, this isn't an issue with C&C off but it is very annoying as it is now.
Also, in a similar vein, is it possible to make tank crews recon without making the parent tank a recon unit? Again, with C&C on, it would be nice to be able to move a tank crew AWAY from the battle instead of always towards the objective and the enemy.
Thanks for your consideration.
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