AIF

[el cid again]

These are the Divisions of the 2nd AIF . . .but note that many brigades served in 2 Divisions at different times

6th Australian Infantry Division 16th Brigade 17th Brigade 19th Brigade
Battalions:
2/1st, 2/2nd, 2/3rd 2/5th, 2/6th, 2/7th 2/4th, 2/8th, 2/11th
7th Australian Infantry Division 18th Brigade 21st Brigade 25th Brigade
Battalions:
2/9th, 2/10th, 2/12th 2/14th, 2/16th, 2/27th 2/25th, 2/31st, 2/33rd
8th Australian Infantry Division 22nd Brigade 23rd Brigade 27th Brigade
Battalions:
2/18th, 2/19th, 2/20th 2/21st, 2/22nd, 2/40th 2/26th, 2/29th, 2/30th
9th Australian Infantry Division 20th Brigade 24th Brigade 26th Brigade
Battalions:
2/13th, 2/15th, 2/17th 2/28th, 2/32nd, 2/43rd 2/23rd, 2/24th, 2/48th
1st Armoured Division 1st Armoured Brigade 2nd Armoured Brigade
Armoured Regiments:
2/5th, 2/6th, 2/7th 2/8th, 2/9th, 2/10th


From which I conclude the First Armored Division was AIF for sure.


Second Australian Imperial Force 1939-40
The Australian Imperial Force (AIF) Divisions on Formation

6th Australian Infantry Division - Raised 28 September 1939
2/1st Field Regiment, RAA (New South Wales)
2/2nd Field Regiment, RAA (Victoria)
2/3rd Field Regiment, RAA (South Australia, Western Australia, Darwin and NSW)
2/5th Field Regiment, RAA (Queensland and Tasmania) - Converted to 2/1st Anti-Tank Regiment in 2/40
2/1st Australian Machine-Gun Regiment
2/1st Australian Pioneer Battalion
6th Australian Divisional Cavalry
2/1st Field Company, RAE - Sydney, New South Wales
2/2nd Field Company, RAE - Melbourne, Victoria
2/3rd Field Company, RAE - Tasmania/Western Australia/South Australia
2/1st Field Park Company, RAE - Queensland

16th Australian Infantry Brigade
2/1st Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)
2/2nd Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)
2/3rd Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)
2/4th Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)

17th Australian Infantry Brigade
2/5th Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/6th Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/7th Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/8th Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)

18th Australian Infantry Brigade - To 7th Infantry Division after reorganization
2/9th Australian Infantry Battalion (Queensland)
2/10th Australian Infantry Battalion (South Australia)
2/11th Australian Infantry Battalion (Western Australia)
2/12th Australian Infantry Battalion (Queensland/Tasmania)

7th Australian Infantry Division - Raised April 1940
2/4th Field Regiment, RAA
2/5th Field Regiment, RAA
2/6th Field Regiment, RAA
2/2nd Anti-Tank Regiment, RAA
2/2nd Australian Machine-Gun Regiment
2/2nd Australian Pioneer Battalion (Victoria)
7th Australian Divisional Cavalry
2/4th Field Company, RAE - New South Wales
2/5th Field Company, RAE - New South Wales
2/6th Field Company, RAE - New South Wales
2/2nd Field Park Company, RAE - Western Australia

19th Australian Infantry Brigade -
Formed from three extra battalions of 16th, 17th, 18th Brigades.
Brigade to 6th Infantry Division after reorganization

2/4th Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales
2/8th Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/11th Australian Infantry Battalion (Western Australia)

20th Australian Infantry Brigade - To 9th Infantry Division after reorganization
2/13th Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)
2/15th Australian Infantry Battalion (Queensland)
2/17th Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)

21st Australian Infantry Brigade
2/14th Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/16th Australian Infantry Battalion (Western Australia)
2/27th Australian Infantry Battalion (South Australia)

Corps Troops Artillery - Formed April 1940
2/9th Army Field Regiment, RAA - Originally formed for 8th Division
2/11th Army Field Regiment, RAA - Originally formed for 8th Division
2/13th Army Field Regiment, RAA - Converted from 2/1st Medium Regiment in October 1940
2/1st Survey Regiment, RAA

1st Australian Anti-Aircraft Brigade
2/1st Anti-Aircraft Regiment, RAA
2/2nd Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment, RAA
2/3rd Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment, RAA

Corps Troops Engineers - Formed April 1940
2/7th Army Field Company, RAE - Ipswich, Queensland
2/8th Army Field Company, RAE - Puckapunyal, Victoria
2/9th Army Field Company, RAE - HQ & 1 Section - Tasmania; 2 Sections - Victoria
2/3rd Corps Field Park Company, RAE - Woodside, South Australia

Base and Lines of Communications Units - Formed April 1940
HQ Railway Group
1st, 2nd, 3rd Railway Construction Companies, RAE
1st Railway Survey Company, RAE
HQ Forestry Group
1st, 2nd, 3rd Forestry Companies, RAE

8th Australian Infantry Division - Formed May 1940
2/10th Field Regiment, RAA
2/14th Field Regiment, RAA - Formed to replace 2/9th Field Regiment, RAA
2/15th Field Regiment, RAA - Formed to replace 2/11th Field Regiment, RAA
2/4th Anti-Tank Regiment, RAA - Replaced 2/3rd Anti-Tank Regiment, RAA
2/4th Australian Machine-Gun Regiment (Western Australia)
2/3rd Australian Pioneer Battalion
8th Australian Divisional Cavalry - To 9th Infantry Division as 9th Divisional Cavalry in May 1941
2/10th Field Company, RAE - Victoria
2/11th Field Company, RAE - Queensland
2/12th Field Company, RAE - New South Wales
2/4th Field Park Company, RAE - Western Australia

22nd Australian Infantry Brigade
2/18th Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)
2/19th Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)
2/20th Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)

23rd Australian Infantry Brigade
2/21st Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/22nd Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/40th Australian Infantry Battalion (Tasmania)

24th Australian Infantry Brigade - To 9th Infantry Division
2/25th Australian Infantry Battalion (Queensland) - To 25th Infantry Brigade
2/28th Australian Infantry Battalion (Western Australia)
2/43rd Australian Infantry Battalion (South Australia)

9th Australian Infantry Division - Raised May to October 1940
2/7th Field Regiment, RAA - Originally formed as 2/7th Army Field Regiment
2/8th Field Regiment, RAA - Originally formed as 2/8th Army Field Regiment
2/12th Field Regiment, RAA - Converted from 2/2nd Medium Regiment of Corps Artillery
2/3rd Anti-Tank Regiment, RAA - Originally formed for 8th Division
2/3rd Australian Machine-Gun Regiment (Victoria)
2/4th Australian Pioneer Battalion
9th Australian Divisional Cavalry - From 8th Infantry Division in May 1941
2/3rd Field Company, RAE - Tasmania/Western Australia/South Australia - From 6th Infantry Division
2/13th Field Company, RAE - Queensland - Ex 2/1st Field Park Company
2/7th Field Company, RAE - Queensland - Ex Corps Troops
2/4th Field Park Company, RAE - Western Australia - Ex 8th Infantry Division

25th Australian Infantry Brigade - Formed in the United Kingdom - To 7th Division
2/31st Australian Infantry Battalion (Queensland)
2/32nd Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria) - To 24th Infantry Brigade
2/33rd Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)

26th Australian Infantry Brigade
2/23rd Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/24th Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/48th Australian Infantry Battalion (South Australia)

27th Australian Infantry Brigade - To 8th Infantry Division
2/26th Australian Infantry Battalion (Queensland)
2/29th Australian Infantry Battalion (Victoria)
2/30th Australian Infantry Battalion (New South Wales)

1st Australian Armoured Division - On Formation 1 July 1941
2/11th Armoured Car Regiment (New South Wales)
16th Field Regiment, RAA
108th Anti-Tank Regiment, RAA
2/3rd Field Squadron, RAE
4th Field Squadron, RAE
2/1st Field Park Squadron, RAE

1st Australian Armoured Brigade
2/5th Armoured Regiment (Queensland)
2/6th Armoured Regiment (New South Wales)
2/7th Armoured Regiment (New South Wales)

2nd Australian Armoured Brigade
2/8th Armoured Regiment (Victoria)
2/9th Armoured Regiment (South Australia/Tasmania)
2/10th Armoured Regiment (Western Australia)

[JeffroK]

Again, where did you source this?

Dont they deserve the credit?

[ChickenOfTheSea]

JeffK,
The problems you have encountered are not related to the information you have tried to present, but with your complete lack of communication skills. Useful information, when presented in an incoherent and boorish manner is likely to be ignored.

I have not had any problem with communicating issues with the RHS database to El Cid through several months of testing. Notice that when the information you were trying to present on the F4U-1 was presented properly, it was promptly accepted and incorporated.

Your tendency to constantly hijack threads to insult others often stops the intended discussion in its tracks and completely defeats the purpose of the forum. You must make a choice to communicate and be listened to or rant and be ignored.

[JeffroK]

Sid preaches quoting references, but I note here he has failed to do so.

So is its his work or someone else's.

Its accuracy might depend on where it came from.

You might also send the following to Sid,

The problems you have encountered are not related to the information you have tried to present, but with your complete lack of communication skills. Useful information, when presented in an incoherent and boorish manner is likely to be ignored.

Its good that Sid has supporters.

[el cid again]

Sid is a gatekeeper for a vast data set open to changed by a large, worldwide body of interested users. Respect for the more than ten thousand hours of work done by RHS contributors - laid on top of a vast amount of work done by Matrix and CHS - requires standards before it is altered. You should assume that Sid honors the standards he sets and verifies the data whenever this can be done - and describes compromises and judgement calls when he cannot. At one point, working for CHS, under the supervision of Joe Wilkerson, we attempted a higher standard - line by line documentation of every change "to build credibility for the data." Yet - although the product was clearly superior - that it was documented was not good enough - and - after the changes were adopted - they were - unadopted? The process established that it requires 400 % more time to type and publish line by line changes with scholarly supporting documentation - and does not insure acceptance of the data even so. Andrew proposed spilitting CHS into two tracks - and he also proposed a daughter mod as an alternative - which I elected to do - eventually adopting a name proposed by Joe. Since then we have never attempted to exhaustively document - a subject I probably would be the olympic champion of if there were awards for it (go to the Federation of American Scientists site and look up Prognosis for China - the documentation being far more time consuming than the paper itself - taking two man years of work to support only 40 pages of analysis). The scale of the data needing revision in WITP is so great that it would take - oh - 10 to 20 years to document them all. That I know how to document, and require minimal documentation before I consider investing man weeks of time in data review and revision, should be enough for a reasonable person to conclude that - whatever I say - it is for cause. On the other hand, a person who elects to be exotically unreasonable is free to conclude I just made up all those neat little details from my imagination. Machts nichts zu mir. In this case I already said in a thread you hijacked from its original purpose that I don't have a book on the Australian Army. I don't. I had to get help from the Australian Army - which provided links to all sorts of wonderful sites and data - so many it would take hours to type them all. These two listings were particularly complete and germane and of interest to modders - so I posted them It is entirely my fault if you find any flaws in them: information theory says any such large data set MUST contain errors. It was my judgement that the information was so full of good stuff it would be of interest - even though I know - up front - it can not be perfect. I live in the world of real data - and I also help researchers with specific requests - formally and informally, often without compensation, occasionally for a thousand dollars a day (when that is offered and the SOP of the agency so offering). WITP is a volunteer association - whatever standards exist are those we individually bring to the table - and IMHO the critical standard is one of respect. This is difficult to achieve in a cryptic media of the sort we use - I find it is possibe to offend someone without intending to do so. What is less understandable is to be deliberately offensive - since no one is allowed on the board who does not agree in advance not to be such. Anyone who does has identified himself - well as someone who does not keep his word.

[ChickenOfTheSea]

ORIGINAL: JeffK


Its good that Sid has supporters.

Since the work of Sid and other modders is on a volunteer basis, they do not need my support. In order to have mods that I want to use, I need for them to do what is a time-consuming involved and often thankless task. In other words, I need their support.

ALL modders want to correct errors in the data, but NO modder wants to be subjected to cyber stalking and endless harassment. It is for exactly this reason that many modders do not make their work publicly available. When that happens it hurts the whole community.