Victory Points (VP) for 0 points

[Strategiusz]

This is a VP for which one side receives 0 points (like NATO for hex 1221 in the Tutorial Basic scenario). The side for which the VP is 0 does not see the VP Marker on the map, which seems to me to be a bad design or a mistake. I think it would also be useful to include the point value for the opponent in the tables in Victory Status & Conditions.

[CapnDarwin]

What version of the game are you using? We fixed that bug some time ago.

[Strategiusz]

2.1.4.8218s

[CapnDarwin]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[CapnDarwin]

Now that I understand what you see, there is no error/bug. The VP in question is a red-side objective only, and as the blue-side player, you are not directly aware of it, and it only shows in the end-game results.

[Strategiusz]

I know that. This point is worth 0 for NATO and 1500 for WP. But as NATO I should know about the existence and location of this point. I can check it anyway when I load the scenario as the Warsaw Pact.

[CapnDarwin]

No, as NATO, you are only aware of your orders for the mission. The two 500vp locations mean something to NATO, but the WP-only point is only a concern for them. Granted, they can take it and gain points, but if NATO does its mission, it should prevent the fall of the hidden location if things work out. Trust us; there is no perfect intelligence in warfare, and sometimes, the enemy does things that the intelligence section does not see coming.

[Strategiusz]

Okay then. I think I know what you mean and I understand it to some extent. It makes sense, especially for the sense of realism if you're playing the scenario for the first time.

In this Tutorial Basic scenario, as NATO, I'm told to "eliminate all Soviet attempts to cross into this area". So I was warned. However, I didn't pay attention to it (I took it as meaningless text) and focused only on the VP markers. And taking these markers is easiest once the red horde has already crossed them unstoppably.

Now that I know about the secret VP for the Soviets, I could now modify this strategy and also let them through these two known VPs on the bridges, but this time I would secure the secret VP. However, this would be against the spirit of the scenario.

I still feel a little dissatisfied, because maybe counting the point value of Soviet units in the area beyond the river would have been more accurate here. Or adding more VP locations. Then I wouldn't be able to just dig in around one main enemy objective. But overall I've probably got a ton of hours of playing this game ahead of me.