FILE SET RHS 2.23 Released [Minor update]

[el cid again]

I noticed Ki-43-I Oscar has durability 26 in database (RHSRAO 2.12).

Should be 6. Fixed as of 2.14 (release in minutes)

[el cid again]

Version 2.12 and map patch 04 may:
The map art and the road/rail network does not match in most cases. (Siam, Burma, DEI, Philipines...)

Looks to me like the wrong pwhex file is in use. Hex sides are defined by pwhex.dat. Hexes are defined in value by the location file, and by art - well by the art panels directly. There are actually two panels for each section of the map - one with and one without hexes (you pick which when you set the "with hexes" switch!).

Anyway - the pwhex file needs to be in the top level WITP folder. There is another one in the SCEN folder (not sure why) which it is said matters - and I see one in the SAVE folder I am told is not usually there. I make em all the same.

Get one from a download site, from Cobra - or from me directly. I do not see displays like you have - so the right files do work.

[Mifune]

LOL, I just recieved 2.13. Now I better wait a couple of minutes for the next one.

[el cid again]

I received my test files over several hours time, (in which I slept some of the time), and I suspect as I was patching onto existing files, I corrupted my scenerio files..I have requested fresh file from Cobra, (when he wakes up.)
I was beginning to think neither he nor Sid ever slept...........

My record is from Viet Nam - and I cannot do it any more: On three different occasions in 1968 I went 42 to 45 days averaging 6 hours sleep a WEEK (not day). This is not healthy - but there was little option: until we had more people trained to stand a peculiar kind of watch. Fortunately I was able to sit down most of the time.

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

I received my test files over several hours time, (in which I slept some of the time), and I suspect as I was patching onto existing files, I corrupted my scenerio files..I have requested fresh file from Cobra, (when he wakes up.)
I was beginning to think neither he nor Sid ever slept...........

Same place, different time, only half as many days, and I was seein' people and things that I knew were not there, because they were TELLING me they were not there!!!!!!![;)]

My record is from Viet Nam - and I cannot do it any more: On three different occasions in 1968 I went 42 to 45 days averaging 6 hours sleep a WEEK (not day). This is not healthy - but there was little option: until we had more people trained to stand a peculiar kind of watch. Fortunately I was able to sit down most of the time.

[pad152]

pad you have PM

Got, one copy about 1hr ago and another about 20mins ago.


Thanks

[pad152]

RHS scenario 60 2.12

Aircraft

P43A Lancer
Artwork, the side pic shows a offset bi-plane. It looks like a Beech Air UC-43 Traveler or Naval version GB-1 civil light exective transport. The P43A was a low wing fighter aircraft, CHS had the correct artwork.

Ki-43 II
This shows 2 12.7mm guns same as the Ki-43 I, It should show 1 12.7mm and 1 7.7mm gun. The Ki-43 II has a durability of only 6? the Ki-43 I shows a rating of 26.

Someone needs to review the durability of aircraft several aircraft Thunderbolt, Tempest V, etc. have a rating of 7?
The ratings seem way off for alot of aircraft.

Japan is losing between 60 - 70 aircraft on 1 day Dec 7 1941 shown on the intel report. Japan started the war with only 700 combat aircraft (fighters & bombers minus recon & transports) outside of China. Losing 10% of all of their aircraft on day 1 of the war seems somewhat in excess.

[Aterpa]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

Version 2.12 and map patch 04 may:
The map art and the road/rail network does not match in most cases. (Siam, Burma, DEI, Philipines...)

Looks to me like the wrong pwhex file is in use. Hex sides are defined by pwhex.dat. Hexes are defined in value by the location file, and by art - well by the art panels directly. There are actually two panels for each section of the map - one with and one without hexes (you pick which when you set the "with hexes" switch!).

Anyway - the pwhex file needs to be in the top level WITP folder. There is another one in the SCEN folder (not sure why) which it is said matters - and I see one in the SAVE folder I am told is not usually there. I make em all the same.

Get one from a download site, from Cobra - or from me directly. I do not see displays like you have - so the right files do work.

I forgot to copy the pwhex file. [8|]

[CobraAus]

P43A Lancer
Artwork, the side pic shows a offset bi-plane. It looks like a Beech Air UC-43 Traveler or Naval version GB-1 civil light exective transport. The P43A was a low wing fighter aircraft, CHS had the correct artwork.

this is has now been fixed in the art work
the zip is too big for PM so if you want it at the moment send e-mail address via PM and when I get a list I will send out in a batch upload
I will also send to Spookie and Rouge to post in the RHS page

Note the change in needed in the data base to point to the correct bitmaps will come with 2.14 update

Cobra Aus

[el cid again]

Ki-43 II
This shows 2 12.7mm guns same as the Ki-43 I, It should show 1 12.7mm and 1 7.7mm gun. The Ki-43 II has a durability of only 6? the Ki-43 I shows a rating of 26.

The 26 was a typo - now corrected.

All planes have a lot less durability than in CHS or stock. This is deliberate - in an attempt to deal with attrition and air combat issues.
6 is actually good for an unarmored single engine plane.

Ki-43s come in three flavors - 2x7.7s, 2x12.7s and one of each. You could order any one up front - or convert in the field. Probably they should have one and one - because pilots liked the high ROF of the .30 - a .50 (in all countries) does not synchronize well and has a low de facto ROF - not apparant in the stats. For that reason, many would have a .30 mounted even in a plane that didn't come with it!

Comments on this are welcome.

[el cid again]

Someone needs to review the durability of aircraft several aircraft Thunderbolt, Tempest V, etc. have a rating of 7?
The ratings seem way off for alot of aircraft.

There is a thread on this subject - and all the ratings were published before adoption for comments. These are not arbitrary ratings. They are based on structure type, number of engines, armor, etc. There does seem to be an error - in armor - IF the Tempest is a 2 then the durability is an 8 - one number or the other is wrong. Please comment on the armor of the Tempest - did I find some reason to give it a high rating ? or is it an error. As far as I know, only a few planes get high armor ratings - a Russian tank buster (one version a 2 and one a 3) - a british bomber with geodesic structure also gets a 2 - that is all I remember better than 1.

[el cid again]

Japan is losing between 60 - 70 aircraft on 1 day Dec 7 1941 shown on the intel report. Japan started the war with only 700 combat aircraft (fighters & bombers minus recon & transports) outside of China. Losing 10% of all of their aircraft on day 1 of the war seems somewhat in excess.

It is hard to imagine a less typical day than that one! It also is very possible to influence your loss rates - by for example flying low. I have modified the AAA situation - and if you do what Japan DID - say at Clark where they flew 2000 feet ABOVE the flak - you will lose less than if you play the way WITP players usually do - come in at 6000 feet or so. Even 18000 feet is inside the effective ceiling of a 75 mm French AA gun - the world standard. To beat it you fly above 22000 feet - or you take your lumps and don't complain.

Nevertheless, one impact of lower durability is more attrition - and we wanted more AA attrition in particular - because it was way too low. We also wanted more general attrition - about 6000 times more - and we did not get it. We might have got a little though.

[el cid again]

Semi-massive player feed back (and de facto testing) - combined with other players continuing to work on little things (like date of appearance, number of machine guns, and other errors inherited in the data set) -
caused me to do another revision instead of working on BBO:

1) There were art issues - now addressed. One bad pointer, one missing image.

2) There were some plane and plane device issues remaining. These are corrected except for a proposal to add an Allied plane type - which is under investigation - and a problem with a Marine air unit that refuses to fly - which needs testing - but might be fixed.

3) A problem in the editor structure means that all plane corrections since nearly the beginning of time were NOT getting into the units! Seems one must update EVERY record in the group file - and I didn't do that. Just another 3000 lines or so. Now done. NOW you get drop tanks, and the mysterious 6 inch guns are replaced by bombs, and all the electronics shows up - and you get the right machine guns.

4) A couple of minor island location issues way down under were addressed - cought by Cobra - our resident map expert.

The air group issue is a big deal - and you will not like planes that show up later in the war if you don't restart with this fix. Sorry.

The current version number for RHSCVO and RAO is 2.14

You also need to download the plane art again.

[Aterpa]

Are there any changes to the locations? I removed all the additional comments in brackets from all location names. I find them irritating and some screens do not look good with the long names. So can I keep the old location file? I do not want to do the work again.

[herwin]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

Someone needs to review the durability of aircraft several aircraft Thunderbolt, Tempest V, etc. have a rating of 7?
The ratings seem way off for alot of aircraft.

There is a thread on this subject - and all the ratings were published before adoption for comments. These are not arbitrary ratings. They are based on structure type, number of engines, armor, etc. There does seem to be an error - in armor - IF the Tempest is a 2 then the durability is an 8 - one number or the other is wrong. Please comment on the armor of the Tempest - did I find some reason to give it a high rating ? or is it an error. As far as I know, only a few planes get high armor ratings - a Russian tank buster (one version a 2 and one a 3) - a british bomber with geodesic structure also gets a 2 - that is all I remember better than 1.

Yes, it was relatively invulnerable to structural damage. On the other hand, it was fabric-covered, and the crew and engines were vulnerable to getting shot up. You pays your money and picks your card.

[Mifune]

I myself find the extra information quite helpful in planning, also it adds more to the immersion of the game.

[Aterpa]

Version 2.13:

A7M2 upgrades to A6M8, is this intended?

Ships in slots 001-025, 029, 3035-3042, 3053-3056, 3068 have 57 mm cannon (device 195) in weapon slot 20 -> should have device 196 (50kg GP bomb) [I guess this replaces device 196 (aircraft ordnance) from stock scenario.]
Corresponding ship classes have 50kg bomb.

[pad152]

RHS 2.13 Scenario 60

1.Japanese carrier air groups
- ships 7 juno and 8 hiyo have a mixup in airgroups

2. Aircraft Upgrades?
- A5M4 Claude upgrades to the Claude?
- A6M2 Zero upgrades to the A6M2?
- G3M2 Nell upgrades to the G3M2?
- G4M1 Betty upgrades to the P1Y1?
- Ki-27 Nate upgrades to the Nate?
- Marlet II/III upgrades to 90 Carrier aircraft?
- Marlet IV upgrades to Marlet II/III
- SB2C/SBF upgrades to F4F-4/FM-1 Wildcat?
- A-26B upgraddes to A-36A Apache?
- B-18A/B-23 Bolo upgrades to B-18A/B-23 Bolo?
- B-25H upgrades to B24J?
- B-25J upgrades to B24J?
- B-26A & B25G both upgrade to B-25J?
- P26A upgrades to P26A?
- P35A upgrades to P35A?
- P39D upgrades to P39D?
- P40B upgrades to P40N?
- P43A upgrades to P43A?
- PB2Y-3 Coronado upgrades to PB4Y-1?





3. Aricraft
- Ki36 Ida is listed as a level bomber?
- PBJ-1J Mitchell?
- Hudson IV Fighter bomber?

Somebody needs to run witpchk on this, there are more errors than I can list!

[Aterpa]

Version 2.14

- Chitose Daitai/Chutai (slot 546/547) are on Nisshin
- Chiyoda Daitai/Chutai (slot 548/549) are on Chitose
- Ise and Hyuga airgroups have different composition, intentional?
- Atago-2 Shotai (slot 658) is on Maya
- Kiyokawa-1/2 Shotai/Chutai existing two times (263/264 and 574/575) one time on the Myoko
- Oyodo has a Kashima-1 Shotai (265)
- Corsair III/IV (080) has 6" guns
- Firefly I (081) has 6" guns
- Hellcat II (083) has 6" guns
- Type 13 radar (139) has no penetration -> should have penetration 500 since it is air search radar
- MAD (223) has penetration 500 -> should have 0 to work as surface radar

[CobraAus]

ok guys I up and v2.14 is packaged I have allready sent via PM to 12 people check your
pm's if you have not got it yet PM me
Now I need 2 helpers with Broadband 1 in EU and 1 in US to get around the timezone problem
and assist in getting out the updates I will send the lastest updates to them and they can send out to requesters when I am having zzzzzzzzzz
if you are willing to help just PM me

v2.14 is an essential update for problems found later in the game

keep the flow of info going to SId its a great help
the normal way of getting out updates by sending to Rouge and Spookie can not work in the situation we are in its to fast and fluid for them to keep up so we will have to help each other in getting them out

Cobra Aus