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RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
Oh - sorry - I thought your references to "Elmovich" meant you were - mea culpa.
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RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
no there was a popular cartoon, "Where is elmo" that you needed to find all these pix in a large diagram, amusement and it was titled, "Find Elmo" That was my attempt at humor and to GOAD my opponent into attacking out of his dug in bastion, he did , ouch! There is nothing to slow down an advance like the enemy having teath! OOPS! it is Where Waldo.. so my map should have said Where's Waldoyvich?
BUT with Baku in hand and the South effectively winding down,
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Early July 1942 GERMANY
t112 Germany near the Reichstad
"General please come in", the large man offered a seat to General Model the archetect of the great drive to the Caspian pulled off in less than two months. General, your performance and that of your troops has been just wonderfull, cigar? Cognac?" They man held a large cigar unlit in his hands... Well, you are being promoted over The next rank to Field Marshel, congratulations please looked surprised when the generals tell you tommorrow,sit sit I needed your advice"
"Yes sir?" Model and the minister both sit.
"Things go well in the East in your estimation?"
"Yes we are taking territorry and destroying vital centers"
"Your words say one thing Field Marshel Model, nice tring to it don't you think? but your eyes tell me something else? Please indulge me."
We are in desperate shape, we had to remove both the populace to make war and the enemy factories, so we have attacked here,and here", pointing to the large blackened areas showing recent activity on the Eastern front map in the ministers office.
"We missed this, Moscow"
"Go on"
"Wars are not just numbers of men and bullets tanks and planes battles and victories and defeats, we could allways use more and the enemy has an advantage in numbers in the sky. Wars are a political action a test of wills between poeple and we are , if not lossing,are not winning either. The enemy is not yet defeated, we must rip out his heart, as we destroy his army we must destroy his hope, the very essence of the fight"
And to do this we take Moscow?
Yes but it may already be too late. we push North toward ArchAngel and drive south toward Moscow, when the enemy has committed his last reserves to the counter attack in the center, straining our lines terribly there.. too few reactive defenses, no armor to counter attack, little artillery save the divisional level tubes. Again we cannot go over to the defensive, nor can we attack where we are weak, desaster would ential"
What plan have you devised?
Not a plan, more of a thought at this time minister.. we must Drive North and cut off Moscow from the resources of the east.. then we can slowly squized the life out of her army in a titanic grip. First Stallingrad... should fall in days as we now have a large well supplied number of armies... and the tubes from the southern march. Only elements of three divisions of A class units remain in the South finishing up and the reinforcemtns scheduled to go east allong with the troops released from the Murmansk front will nearly double the troups in the endangered areas in the center.. That is where I would place them if I where OKE"
"Well Feild Marshel, I think you may just get your chance to place these troops where u will", the misnister still holding his unlight cigar sat upright and looked at the map and made no sound.
Model looked at him, wondering if this was a strange thing to replace another officer that had only been competent in a war that seemed impossible. And dealing with the egos, Von Runstead and Hoth, both his seniers by several ranks and years would now be at his command.. would they be able to manage there egos? Model was confident in Guderian and Manstein, he wondered if he dared ponder the replacement of VR in the south, perhaps move him to army group Center?
"Model"
"Yes Minister"
"Remember we did not have this talk, if anyone knows we met, simply tell them we discaused the exploits in teh south and rumers of the US intervention in NA, where you thought you would go next"
"Yes Minister"
The two stood, shock hands, a new political alliance had just been formed, the greater reaching out to the lesser, expecting his support should the time come, these things where not discussed, they need not be.
Along the busy avenues Model gazed at several bombed out structures, recent casualties from night raids of the Royal Air Force( British). He wondered how long he had to work his magic, it never is long eneugh he thought to himself as he began to diagram lines of advance and troop dispositions, calculate supply draws and train allocations. "What a mess" was all he said, his driver did not seem to notice.
BUT with Baku in hand and the South effectively winding down,
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Early July 1942 GERMANY
t112 Germany near the Reichstad
"General please come in", the large man offered a seat to General Model the archetect of the great drive to the Caspian pulled off in less than two months. General, your performance and that of your troops has been just wonderfull, cigar? Cognac?" They man held a large cigar unlit in his hands... Well, you are being promoted over The next rank to Field Marshel, congratulations please looked surprised when the generals tell you tommorrow,sit sit I needed your advice"
"Yes sir?" Model and the minister both sit.
"Things go well in the East in your estimation?"
"Yes we are taking territorry and destroying vital centers"
"Your words say one thing Field Marshel Model, nice tring to it don't you think? but your eyes tell me something else? Please indulge me."
We are in desperate shape, we had to remove both the populace to make war and the enemy factories, so we have attacked here,and here", pointing to the large blackened areas showing recent activity on the Eastern front map in the ministers office.
"We missed this, Moscow"
"Go on"
"Wars are not just numbers of men and bullets tanks and planes battles and victories and defeats, we could allways use more and the enemy has an advantage in numbers in the sky. Wars are a political action a test of wills between poeple and we are , if not lossing,are not winning either. The enemy is not yet defeated, we must rip out his heart, as we destroy his army we must destroy his hope, the very essence of the fight"
And to do this we take Moscow?
Yes but it may already be too late. we push North toward ArchAngel and drive south toward Moscow, when the enemy has committed his last reserves to the counter attack in the center, straining our lines terribly there.. too few reactive defenses, no armor to counter attack, little artillery save the divisional level tubes. Again we cannot go over to the defensive, nor can we attack where we are weak, desaster would ential"
What plan have you devised?
Not a plan, more of a thought at this time minister.. we must Drive North and cut off Moscow from the resources of the east.. then we can slowly squized the life out of her army in a titanic grip. First Stallingrad... should fall in days as we now have a large well supplied number of armies... and the tubes from the southern march. Only elements of three divisions of A class units remain in the South finishing up and the reinforcemtns scheduled to go east allong with the troops released from the Murmansk front will nearly double the troups in the endangered areas in the center.. That is where I would place them if I where OKE"
"Well Feild Marshel, I think you may just get your chance to place these troops where u will", the misnister still holding his unlight cigar sat upright and looked at the map and made no sound.
Model looked at him, wondering if this was a strange thing to replace another officer that had only been competent in a war that seemed impossible. And dealing with the egos, Von Runstead and Hoth, both his seniers by several ranks and years would now be at his command.. would they be able to manage there egos? Model was confident in Guderian and Manstein, he wondered if he dared ponder the replacement of VR in the south, perhaps move him to army group Center?
"Model"
"Yes Minister"
"Remember we did not have this talk, if anyone knows we met, simply tell them we discaused the exploits in teh south and rumers of the US intervention in NA, where you thought you would go next"
"Yes Minister"
The two stood, shock hands, a new political alliance had just been formed, the greater reaching out to the lesser, expecting his support should the time come, these things where not discussed, they need not be.
Along the busy avenues Model gazed at several bombed out structures, recent casualties from night raids of the Royal Air Force( British). He wondered how long he had to work his magic, it never is long eneugh he thought to himself as he began to diagram lines of advance and troop dispositions, calculate supply draws and train allocations. "What a mess" was all he said, his driver did not seem to notice.
"Tanks forward"
RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
BErlin July 1942 The ministry of Military information today announced the promotion to the rank of Field MArshel, former Major General Model.
General Model will be taking overthe command of the entire eastern Front while our belove F takes a holiday in Finnland.
Mid July.. heavy finghting near the front lines sees three entire Sov armies surrender when cutt off from retreat and backed into the Volga, Western side. North of this possition a ten km gap in the lines appeard after multi divisional attacks
pushed the reds Back into Stallingrad intself. While all this is going on in the Western shores, on the other side our light scout troups deplay and harrassed a troops trin that was to bring troops into the city... both sides rushing to this quickly developing major confrontation. Further South Astrakan is approached, and Guderian in controll in teh very far Sout hmakes ready to move more of the heavy troops out from the southern approaches to Baku.
FM notes Model Mid July
I am thinking we are doing well in the North, Hoth stays in place, I am moving V Runstead to the Center, not asking permission just making the orders, if Berlin does not like it it will already be a fait acomplis... Manstein will continue on attacking Stallingrad, I will take the troops East of Karkov away from him and he can concentrat. Guderian will take over those troops above , North of the Donetz and East of Karkov that are holding waiting for phase two, the drive North...
We currently have 15 inf divisions to reorrient from Murmansk to the Black Sea! My staff will be busy very soon, I need to leave Berlin, it is depressing here seeing all the recent damage from the bombings. Perhaps if we destroy the Reds we can convince the rest of the Allies to sue for peace, perhaps also the little one must go?
General Model will be taking overthe command of the entire eastern Front while our belove F takes a holiday in Finnland.
Mid July.. heavy finghting near the front lines sees three entire Sov armies surrender when cutt off from retreat and backed into the Volga, Western side. North of this possition a ten km gap in the lines appeard after multi divisional attacks
pushed the reds Back into Stallingrad intself. While all this is going on in the Western shores, on the other side our light scout troups deplay and harrassed a troops trin that was to bring troops into the city... both sides rushing to this quickly developing major confrontation. Further South Astrakan is approached, and Guderian in controll in teh very far Sout hmakes ready to move more of the heavy troops out from the southern approaches to Baku.
FM notes Model Mid July
I am thinking we are doing well in the North, Hoth stays in place, I am moving V Runstead to the Center, not asking permission just making the orders, if Berlin does not like it it will already be a fait acomplis... Manstein will continue on attacking Stallingrad, I will take the troops East of Karkov away from him and he can concentrat. Guderian will take over those troops above , North of the Donetz and East of Karkov that are holding waiting for phase two, the drive North...
We currently have 15 inf divisions to reorrient from Murmansk to the Black Sea! My staff will be busy very soon, I need to leave Berlin, it is depressing here seeing all the recent damage from the bombings. Perhaps if we destroy the Reds we can convince the rest of the Allies to sue for peace, perhaps also the little one must go?
"Tanks forward"
RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
Mid July 1942 Southern Front Stallingrad area HQ
Lt Tomkin, The ground around our HQ Shouck for three days as the enemy pounded the areas near us to , well nothingness. After the last assult that effectivly removed the last red army units from the few defenders here in the center of the city, I made an inspection along with Major Torrinsl of an area.
This area I had frequented before the battle. I kept chcking our refeerrences thinking it could not be the same place, as we approached the buildings became less building and more rubble =. Then the final two blocks there was not even rubble, but a strange debree field.. no roads no buildings nothing. We continued using a compass , as the road we where following ran apx due west. We came upon the park and hospital of Lpenk Place. There again less ruin but nothing reconisable.
"Major" I spoke loudly to get his attention," we are close to the enemy lines here", a stray round from some distance rickochet near us as if emphasise my point. Our troops that where to the west of us where pulling out, of 12 divisions there where less than 1500 men. of 135 guns 3, of 358 tanks 26. Here the enemy was not manuvering, there was no rroom, they just where mauling us, and now at the heart of the city reports where coming on the rails to the North and roads to the Northeast where cut, we faced a situation of retreating and living or staying and dying, I knew that ther ereally was no choice here, we would stand and die, hopefully gaining some time for the counterattack savagingthe enemy center we are told.
"Major?"
"Yes in a moment Lt"
We continued to observe no bodies enemy red army or civilain. I hoped for the shoolchildren and the hospital but I knew that no city evacuation orders had been given. We soon departed for the "rear" The attack came within hours, a probe.. hardly.. hitting us from the south and west where elements of six division, just to ttest our streangth they quickly broke off, and little artillery only an hour long barrage that landed no where near the hq I was in. Tomorrow ofr the next day as the enemy guns advance tha pulverized the western half of the city come within range we will suffer that fate... there was no counter attacking no hope, only the certainty that Stallingrad too would fall. I have run before the enemy before, but it has been over two long months since I was transfered from the active units to the rear, and I do not wish to see the death and destruction, nor face it myself again.... but I will as I have. My men look to me for confidence and leadership, and while inwardly I think this amusing outwartly I reember my needs facing combat without experience and put on the bravest of faces for my men, insisting on discipline and that hey stay focused on the work at hand.
"Tanks forward"
RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
Late July 1942
OKE HQ FM Model
personal notes. I have sent for VR and released troops to Hoth.. The enemy presses us hard, taking ground, not too important, killing infantry, critically inportant. I was hoping Stallingrad would be reduced by now, the enemy has paid a hellish price. We are dirrectly attacking the heart of the city. Hoth now sets his sights on cutting off AA at Vologda to the Far northeast of Moscow. After Stallingrad falls the armor that still is arriving from the south will drive toward kiev to relieve the center from the threat there and toward Gorki. Troops are also headed toward the Siberian airfields. We should be able to put some real preasure on the enemy after Stallingrad falls.
OKE HQ FM Model
personal notes. I have sent for VR and released troops to Hoth.. The enemy presses us hard, taking ground, not too important, killing infantry, critically inportant. I was hoping Stallingrad would be reduced by now, the enemy has paid a hellish price. We are dirrectly attacking the heart of the city. Hoth now sets his sights on cutting off AA at Vologda to the Far northeast of Moscow. After Stallingrad falls the armor that still is arriving from the south will drive toward kiev to relieve the center from the threat there and toward Gorki. Troops are also headed toward the Siberian airfields. We should be able to put some real preasure on the enemy after Stallingrad falls.
"Tanks forward"
RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
Early August Stallingrad. 1942
The ground around the men was shaking like a rug taken out to dry on a windy day. the had lond since stopped trying to hear, either lip reading or writing the communications down, yesterday the first big break came. The enemy actually was attacked on the East by supplied units and pushed out from there attacking positions just prior to an axis assualt resulting an great havok amoung the enemy. In the western suburbs two gards inf divisions lead the charge and pushed the leading edge of the german attacks back..
Lt Tomkins diary
We actually had fresh supplies yesterday and now we see US planes hitting the enemy every day, soemone said over 10000 new planes are being flown and shipped in before 43! of course those are rumers but I see the planes flying where we had none only last month! The enmey was pushed back today! I know the troops moral is higher now, especially after the minor victories and fresh supplies and troops here, but I now get both the air photo and summeries of local radio intercepts to coallate for the Colonel who reports to the Big guys. Seems multiple enemy units aare now headed towards Stallingrad, and then today we where hit with a running barrage, lasted almost all day and a multidivisinal attach that retook the subberbs and severly hurt the troops on the Eastern shore...
In addition the rails to the Norht are severed and enemy tank units are detraining and headed toward those attacking locations, I fear a breakout there as we just sent twenty divisions to the farther Eastern Zone to gaurd that area as the Caspian port was left open. I wonder who will get shot for that one? If our west of the Volga flank fails us.. we will be isolated and then we are gone... if somehow these troops can hold on, we are so close to the rains, a few more months!
The ground around the men was shaking like a rug taken out to dry on a windy day. the had lond since stopped trying to hear, either lip reading or writing the communications down, yesterday the first big break came. The enemy actually was attacked on the East by supplied units and pushed out from there attacking positions just prior to an axis assualt resulting an great havok amoung the enemy. In the western suburbs two gards inf divisions lead the charge and pushed the leading edge of the german attacks back..
Lt Tomkins diary
We actually had fresh supplies yesterday and now we see US planes hitting the enemy every day, soemone said over 10000 new planes are being flown and shipped in before 43! of course those are rumers but I see the planes flying where we had none only last month! The enmey was pushed back today! I know the troops moral is higher now, especially after the minor victories and fresh supplies and troops here, but I now get both the air photo and summeries of local radio intercepts to coallate for the Colonel who reports to the Big guys. Seems multiple enemy units aare now headed towards Stallingrad, and then today we where hit with a running barrage, lasted almost all day and a multidivisinal attach that retook the subberbs and severly hurt the troops on the Eastern shore...
In addition the rails to the Norht are severed and enemy tank units are detraining and headed toward those attacking locations, I fear a breakout there as we just sent twenty divisions to the farther Eastern Zone to gaurd that area as the Caspian port was left open. I wonder who will get shot for that one? If our west of the Volga flank fails us.. we will be isolated and then we are gone... if somehow these troops can hold on, we are so close to the rains, a few more months!
"Tanks forward"
RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
Second week of Aug. Somewhere North of Stalingrad
Lt. Tomkin. We new when the enemy had ten fresh divisions headed towards Stallingrad things would get tough, but we hoped after the recent victories that we could hold out. That was incorrect, but is hope ever so? I live on, again escaping with a remnent. We passed through the airfields, several hundred planes where being set on fire including many US heavy bombers and medium bombers fresh from the US factories. Seems the enemy was getting ready to overrun the place, and now that I am assigned to a non existent HQ, I know only what I see, and burning planes that we cannot withdraw is a shame. I follow my colonel, a former gaurds infantry major with only one arm, together we "veterans" lead several hundred men and woman to safety. Random popopop is heard, and at this distance I cannot tell if it is our or theirs. Suddenly we race forward and lurch into a rain soaked ditch, the unmistakable sound of German tanks ahead. we continue to advance,retreat?, towards them for beyond them lies our new lines and safety. The sky though clearing from the brief shower grows dark, with a slight bluish purple. I ponder how beauty can be found at these times, as I wonder if it will be the last sunset.
WE crawl until every part of us is mud and sweat and pain. then the tanks are gone... seems they moved South to hit the airfield after passing over the ditches here on the somewhat elevated roads. Just a few short km to our east lies the Volga and safety in its marshes, no enemy armored troops their, but instead we press North and as dusk fills with blackness we find ourselves amazingly unnoticed on a stone covered street ,the edge of town just behind us to our South.
We are alive and will see another day.
Lt. Tomkin. We new when the enemy had ten fresh divisions headed towards Stallingrad things would get tough, but we hoped after the recent victories that we could hold out. That was incorrect, but is hope ever so? I live on, again escaping with a remnent. We passed through the airfields, several hundred planes where being set on fire including many US heavy bombers and medium bombers fresh from the US factories. Seems the enemy was getting ready to overrun the place, and now that I am assigned to a non existent HQ, I know only what I see, and burning planes that we cannot withdraw is a shame. I follow my colonel, a former gaurds infantry major with only one arm, together we "veterans" lead several hundred men and woman to safety. Random popopop is heard, and at this distance I cannot tell if it is our or theirs. Suddenly we race forward and lurch into a rain soaked ditch, the unmistakable sound of German tanks ahead. we continue to advance,retreat?, towards them for beyond them lies our new lines and safety. The sky though clearing from the brief shower grows dark, with a slight bluish purple. I ponder how beauty can be found at these times, as I wonder if it will be the last sunset.
WE crawl until every part of us is mud and sweat and pain. then the tanks are gone... seems they moved South to hit the airfield after passing over the ditches here on the somewhat elevated roads. Just a few short km to our east lies the Volga and safety in its marshes, no enemy armored troops their, but instead we press North and as dusk fills with blackness we find ourselves amazingly unnoticed on a stone covered street ,the edge of town just behind us to our South.
We are alive and will see another day.
"Tanks forward"
RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
OKE Models personel notes.
Mainstein has taken the city of Stallingrad by shear might, ... adding those extra troops transfered from the South was a boon. He correctly moved infantry to assulatthe city while making two attacks from each side of the Volga into the enemys Norhtern "tail" cutting off the survivors and then overruning the airfild with hundreds of disabled airplanes burning on the ground, including many US heavy bombers. The troops can retfit and then begin phase two, and none two soon as Hoth is struggling to maintain his advance through 100's of km of forest in the North, and the Center is being savaged by the Reds.
WE are almost compleatly fisnished in the south.. soon the center will be bolsterd by the Turks, the Romaninsa and Italians and Hungarians adding to the Push from the Donitz-Karkov-Stallingrad front North. WE trapped and killed close to another hundred red formations in the last month, where do the get these inexhustable amounts of troops?
In another note Berlin sent us the first Tiger tanks for evaluation, seems a bit brutish but that 88 gun is a killer ,proven effective in the dual aa gun units.
Mainstein has taken the city of Stallingrad by shear might, ... adding those extra troops transfered from the South was a boon. He correctly moved infantry to assulatthe city while making two attacks from each side of the Volga into the enemys Norhtern "tail" cutting off the survivors and then overruning the airfild with hundreds of disabled airplanes burning on the ground, including many US heavy bombers. The troops can retfit and then begin phase two, and none two soon as Hoth is struggling to maintain his advance through 100's of km of forest in the North, and the Center is being savaged by the Reds.
WE are almost compleatly fisnished in the south.. soon the center will be bolsterd by the Turks, the Romaninsa and Italians and Hungarians adding to the Push from the Donitz-Karkov-Stallingrad front North. WE trapped and killed close to another hundred red formations in the last month, where do the get these inexhustable amounts of troops?
In another note Berlin sent us the first Tiger tanks for evaluation, seems a bit brutish but that 88 gun is a killer ,proven effective in the dual aa gun units.
"Tanks forward"
RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
Early July 1942
Major, former Lt Jenson, rear areas near Roston on the Don, reporting in to the colonel.
"Sir, I have visited our Lt, he is in good enough spirits but I do not think mving him would be advisable. "
"Why is that"
"He is in the stage of healing for both his burns and fractures that even a few weeks could make a huge issue, and given we are by nessessaty going to be stressing his body, bomping anything etc could reinjure him where in a few short weeks from now he will be stable and off an IV"
"So a few weeks, two?"
"Not being a Dr. and seeing the extent of his injuries he should be dead.. so maybe ten days to 25 days" I would use the off the Iv, not sutures left in place and able to be rolled in a wheelchair as a minimum gauge"
"Major?"
"Yes sir?"
"It is quite different dealing with this new enemy yes?"
"Sir?"
"The hospital administration, the mp's, the SS mps the travel checks, all of this must exist but seriously a pain in the ass no?"
"All part of the asseignment I guess, and which is worse, thit or being behind the enemy lines with five other men with orders do vanish into the landscape and not attack while your friend are fighting and dying?"
"Each has its merits?" The colonel got up from his desk and walked over to the map, "it should be as quickly as possible, Model is going to be the new OKE and will not look kindly to your orders should he get wind of it.. and trust me your lt is big news back home do to his fathers mouth and a letter sent to him by the boys CO"
"Sir?" Jenson replied somewhat bewildered.
"Model never got the time of day from the boys father, some family dissagreement perhaps but all the more reason to get ths "hero" out of the theater. I do not expect to see you again unless you are in need of assistance, other thatn to inform myself or my aide of your actions"
"Yes sir", they saluted and the commando now wondered again what type of assiegnment required someone like himself to handle a young obviously arristocrate.
He needed to pay another visit to the hospital.
Major, former Lt Jenson, rear areas near Roston on the Don, reporting in to the colonel.
"Sir, I have visited our Lt, he is in good enough spirits but I do not think mving him would be advisable. "
"Why is that"
"He is in the stage of healing for both his burns and fractures that even a few weeks could make a huge issue, and given we are by nessessaty going to be stressing his body, bomping anything etc could reinjure him where in a few short weeks from now he will be stable and off an IV"
"So a few weeks, two?"
"Not being a Dr. and seeing the extent of his injuries he should be dead.. so maybe ten days to 25 days" I would use the off the Iv, not sutures left in place and able to be rolled in a wheelchair as a minimum gauge"
"Major?"
"Yes sir?"
"It is quite different dealing with this new enemy yes?"
"Sir?"
"The hospital administration, the mp's, the SS mps the travel checks, all of this must exist but seriously a pain in the ass no?"
"All part of the asseignment I guess, and which is worse, thit or being behind the enemy lines with five other men with orders do vanish into the landscape and not attack while your friend are fighting and dying?"
"Each has its merits?" The colonel got up from his desk and walked over to the map, "it should be as quickly as possible, Model is going to be the new OKE and will not look kindly to your orders should he get wind of it.. and trust me your lt is big news back home do to his fathers mouth and a letter sent to him by the boys CO"
"Sir?" Jenson replied somewhat bewildered.
"Model never got the time of day from the boys father, some family dissagreement perhaps but all the more reason to get ths "hero" out of the theater. I do not expect to see you again unless you are in need of assistance, other thatn to inform myself or my aide of your actions"
"Yes sir", they saluted and the commando now wondered again what type of assiegnment required someone like himself to handle a young obviously arristocrate.
He needed to pay another visit to the hospital.
"Tanks forward"
RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
Late August 1942.
Personal diary, MAjor Tomkin. I was promoted again to major and given charge of a bunch of surly whiney new recruits and told to make them follow orders or shoot them. I think we have shot our own enough, no?. The dissaster at Stallingrad was created because we could not hold the flanks... My bold one arm Colonel ended up giving me a rifle and laughing at my surprised look. He KNEW I was a radio intel guy, shit I had not fired a weapon since before the war! We where almost arrestted as deserters as we worked our way out of the pocket, twice questions regarding why we where not with our unit. Finally I informed my friendly interrogator that he could shoot me if he wanted, but I WAS the entirer UNIT! Bloody F@@@@NG military police, almost as bad as the Checkist!
The new troops are hitting the enemy wave after wave, but fighting in this immidiate zone, North and East of Stalingrad is a tough one as the enemies best troops, and many tank units dominate this area. To the West we are holding our own along part of the Don, but where we had previously crossed over thosse troops where destroyed and a new counterattack has advanced some 60 KM Norht of the Don penetrating our flank and the troops Just North and East of Karkov. I am again in the information loop as all the intell junior officers attend the Theater breifing every week to update our commanda for vital enemy movements.
The one great success, if we can call anything that as we hold so little of the outer areas of the USSR, is in the air force. The addition of thousands of western pilots and planes has caused a complete domination of the skies by our forces. we see much less rail interdiction and are building up supplies for an attack this winter that rumer indicates could be either to regain Rostov and split the enemy, how that could happen with these tanks present I do not know, or in the North against the Finns and Germans to retake Lenningrad. But we have lost so many troops these are brave words, without much effect.
I think we will attack. push for modest gains and kill alot of the enemy. unfortunately all the romanian and Turkish troops are leaving the south and undoubtable they will releive much of the over stressed German troops. If we could retake Stalingrade.. but the enemy seems to be contnet to advance slowly now and works on systematically destroying our froses through rapid encirclements. In teh last three weeks 56 regiment and divisions and some indipendant forces surrendered or where destroyed to the point the survivors are being refitted into other units, ALL IN OUR FRONT! I hate to think how many more in the North where we are sorely pressed, again not officially. And then there is the ongoing center front where our forces are attacking in ever less frequent victories. If the west wins in North africa and mobilazes for intervention, we could use a few million more troops!
Personal diary, MAjor Tomkin. I was promoted again to major and given charge of a bunch of surly whiney new recruits and told to make them follow orders or shoot them. I think we have shot our own enough, no?. The dissaster at Stallingrad was created because we could not hold the flanks... My bold one arm Colonel ended up giving me a rifle and laughing at my surprised look. He KNEW I was a radio intel guy, shit I had not fired a weapon since before the war! We where almost arrestted as deserters as we worked our way out of the pocket, twice questions regarding why we where not with our unit. Finally I informed my friendly interrogator that he could shoot me if he wanted, but I WAS the entirer UNIT! Bloody F@@@@NG military police, almost as bad as the Checkist!
The new troops are hitting the enemy wave after wave, but fighting in this immidiate zone, North and East of Stalingrad is a tough one as the enemies best troops, and many tank units dominate this area. To the West we are holding our own along part of the Don, but where we had previously crossed over thosse troops where destroyed and a new counterattack has advanced some 60 KM Norht of the Don penetrating our flank and the troops Just North and East of Karkov. I am again in the information loop as all the intell junior officers attend the Theater breifing every week to update our commanda for vital enemy movements.
The one great success, if we can call anything that as we hold so little of the outer areas of the USSR, is in the air force. The addition of thousands of western pilots and planes has caused a complete domination of the skies by our forces. we see much less rail interdiction and are building up supplies for an attack this winter that rumer indicates could be either to regain Rostov and split the enemy, how that could happen with these tanks present I do not know, or in the North against the Finns and Germans to retake Lenningrad. But we have lost so many troops these are brave words, without much effect.
I think we will attack. push for modest gains and kill alot of the enemy. unfortunately all the romanian and Turkish troops are leaving the south and undoubtable they will releive much of the over stressed German troops. If we could retake Stalingrade.. but the enemy seems to be contnet to advance slowly now and works on systematically destroying our froses through rapid encirclements. In teh last three weeks 56 regiment and divisions and some indipendant forces surrendered or where destroyed to the point the survivors are being refitted into other units, ALL IN OUR FRONT! I hate to think how many more in the North where we are sorely pressed, again not officially. And then there is the ongoing center front where our forces are attacking in ever less frequent victories. If the west wins in North africa and mobilazes for intervention, we could use a few million more troops!
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Aug 1942
Major Jenson, Hospital ward number 28, Rostov field office AGS
Well Lt feeling better are we? he smiled at the once bedridden tank commander who smirked at the "we" reference.
"I am feeling liek kicking your pompass ass you trumpted up excuse.."
"Now now, lets not talk like that to a supperior officer, besides I am getting you a parole from this place today"
"Really?", Marks tone changed to a concilliary one?
"We are headed out of this weary place to see the brave new world of liberated Ukrainia! ", he wheeled a wheelchair over to the chair and Mark looked at this cruches... his legs still would not hold his weight but his sutures where gone and he had scars where he formerly had seeping wounds. His face still looked like someone melted his right cheec and ear off, but that would be addressed in Germany no doubt. "Take them along but it is too far to walk."
"Sir Sir", a frustrated nurse ran over, "this man cannot be just wheeled out"
Taking his papers authorizing his command of this man and movement orders he asked politely, " Unless you think I would cause him some distress, he is taking a day trip and will soon be out of this place.. miss?"
She turned and walked off..
"She works hard here, you should be nice to here."
"Was I not?" Jenson moved him into the hallway.
They took a car the colonel had arriegned and drove to the rail lines.
You may like this, your old unit is moving from the south back into some real fighting against the enemy North of Stallingrad. We are going to visit them, then we are headed out of the country, back to Germany."
But my belongings"
These things will be handled
They arrived to find the cars full of troops and showingthe papers they where escorted to a luxury car with two generals and their staff.
What is this?" An aide asked
"Sorry My Colonel, but these men are traveling on a priority signed off on by AGS himself.
The two generals did not like the looks of these two seemingly non combat officers,one out of uniform not looking closly at them. One a hostipal patient in a wheelchair and his Nurse?
"Do see that you keep quite and out of the way", Fritz spoke first. The men had been traveling for days and also had been drinking.
"Why my General, are you always this hospitable to real soldiers?", the major spoke baiting the general.
"You pompass .. he flusteered, sensing that more was here than two ordinary men on special passes, his friend spoke up,
"Frits, be stop before it gets worse, you have a terrible temper when you are drunk, and these two may actually have been in action, the one looks it no".
Jenson just about came unglued, the stress of waiting around Rostov had taken its toll,
"Yes, My lt here is being awarded a Knights cross medel for the actions, quite the hero. Have you two and your staff seen action, or are you staff officers?" His smaile did not hide the intended slur. Fritz rising, his friend grabbed him and with a cold look pushed him down, "Come over here you two and joion us, certainly we could use the refreshing company of men you are brave in combat, I am general Neils Borhsned, this is General Fritz Deutheltset. We are attached to Guderians operative group."
"What unit are with you two?" Mark just took the dialogue in, seeing the Major in a new light he simply smiled having been exposed to the likes of Fritz all his life as the son of a prominent military family full of high ranking officers.
Why my friend was in the 6th Panzers and single handedly lead a group of men on an attacked after his tank was disabled and killed several enemy tanks and stopped a counterattack."
"You, you are the one!" Fritz rushed over to shack Marks hand , We heard from your father you almost died...tell us about the battle", and a very angry look came over his face as he looked to Major Jenson for an escape.
"Do as he says lt." piped in MAjor Jenson.
The generals shared a look, not realizing that Jenson was the lt supperior officer, his long coat hiding his new tailored dress uniform with his iron cross 1st class and several service ribons. Your father recieved a letter from your former commanding officer and we heard about your efforts many times. " Neils stood up also to make room at the table for the two, motioningfor the aides to get up and move to another table as drinks began arriving.
"Gentlemen what would you like to drink?" the car staff asked. Looking stunned Mark asked for coffee and his request was met with chuckles, Jenson ordered wine and said, "the joys of youth. " The initial confrontation over, Niels motioned for Jenson to hear him privately. "frits is a hothead and a drunk, but he is a general and my friend, I am asking you as a fellow officer to apologise.. he will be insufferable after you two are gone if you do not?"
Jenson was amazed at the humility one showed and the bravado the other, two German generals each who socially and rank where many many levels above himself.
General, "please exceipt my apologies, since my return from the front my duties have been less than I had hoped." He looked to Mark and Mark smiled, thinking of his turn for payback,
"Yes the Major was dropped being the lines on a suicide mission at the beginning of "Lttle Sister", and now it was Jenson they all looked too and the men each in interupted bits told there stories in a cathartic expression that helped them let go off the events and to see themselves for a moment as the herors others saw when they looked at their exploits.
Two young soldiers fighting in a war neither understood against communism, one out of family tradition the other out of simple hatered of communism from past transgressions dating to before this war of a more personal nature.
The two men then heard of the exploits the generals had starting in France in the first WW and then in Poland and Greace, they did not participate in the France invasion, which they both expressed dismay. When asked where they where traveling, Jenson said he really could not discuss these matters and when pressed he simply showed his papers and asked the men two honor his request to not press him, it would not be fitting to discuss this in public, he hinted it reflected on the Lt. and the two dropped it at once.
"Give your father our regards.. " they both asked Mark, and to Jenson only a salute and then they where off after a seemingly breif twelve hour trip. Where are we, as a stiff Mark limped along in his crutches folloed by Jenson pushing an empty wheelchair.
"Does it matter?, your former command are to meet up here and proceed North"
"No", pausing and looking at his watch,"when?"
Saying nothing Jenson could sense the change he had labored these last weeks to see, the man emerging from the cocoon of self doupt and pity, this last test would tell.
"They are here, waiting for the train to come, should be getting here in the next hour."
The men waited and soon the former brothers in arms who themselves had been notified Mark had survived and that before being sent home was to visit them impromtu style on the roadside, where eager to great him and his minder. The men where eager to extoll him, to ask about the pretty nurses and his exploits causing the lt to blush. When they had to leave the men saluted the two and formed ranks boarding the trains preloaded with their tanks on flat cars, Jenson said nothing but noticed a tear form in the Lt eye, another good sign the shell was cracking. He had seen men go inward after battle as a commando and the result was usually a self destrucitve cycle, and the only way he knew to help was to be the target... at least up till now. He had continually pooked fun at the lt. and had run the ire of the hospital staff who only saw the exteranal acts of percieved cruelty and not the goal to get the Lt. out of his narcissism and see the others around him. Marks undoubtatly spoiled, or inulated childhood did not help, Jenson sermised, but this one would make it, already he began to talk about the things he would do when healthy and back on his feet in Germany, and about returning to the fight.
"Have you ever thought of putting your experience to work in a training center?"
"Not really "
Jenson smiled as the seed was planted, he knew that Marks father was already seeing that this would be his sons next asseingment should he be able to perform at that level. Jenson also wondered why he was promoted over the rank of Captain where a obviously very wll connected officer , and a hero, was still a lt.
Major Jenson, Hospital ward number 28, Rostov field office AGS
Well Lt feeling better are we? he smiled at the once bedridden tank commander who smirked at the "we" reference.
"I am feeling liek kicking your pompass ass you trumpted up excuse.."
"Now now, lets not talk like that to a supperior officer, besides I am getting you a parole from this place today"
"Really?", Marks tone changed to a concilliary one?
"We are headed out of this weary place to see the brave new world of liberated Ukrainia! ", he wheeled a wheelchair over to the chair and Mark looked at this cruches... his legs still would not hold his weight but his sutures where gone and he had scars where he formerly had seeping wounds. His face still looked like someone melted his right cheec and ear off, but that would be addressed in Germany no doubt. "Take them along but it is too far to walk."
"Sir Sir", a frustrated nurse ran over, "this man cannot be just wheeled out"
Taking his papers authorizing his command of this man and movement orders he asked politely, " Unless you think I would cause him some distress, he is taking a day trip and will soon be out of this place.. miss?"
She turned and walked off..
"She works hard here, you should be nice to here."
"Was I not?" Jenson moved him into the hallway.
They took a car the colonel had arriegned and drove to the rail lines.
You may like this, your old unit is moving from the south back into some real fighting against the enemy North of Stallingrad. We are going to visit them, then we are headed out of the country, back to Germany."
But my belongings"
These things will be handled
They arrived to find the cars full of troops and showingthe papers they where escorted to a luxury car with two generals and their staff.
What is this?" An aide asked
"Sorry My Colonel, but these men are traveling on a priority signed off on by AGS himself.
The two generals did not like the looks of these two seemingly non combat officers,one out of uniform not looking closly at them. One a hostipal patient in a wheelchair and his Nurse?
"Do see that you keep quite and out of the way", Fritz spoke first. The men had been traveling for days and also had been drinking.
"Why my General, are you always this hospitable to real soldiers?", the major spoke baiting the general.
"You pompass .. he flusteered, sensing that more was here than two ordinary men on special passes, his friend spoke up,
"Frits, be stop before it gets worse, you have a terrible temper when you are drunk, and these two may actually have been in action, the one looks it no".
Jenson just about came unglued, the stress of waiting around Rostov had taken its toll,
"Yes, My lt here is being awarded a Knights cross medel for the actions, quite the hero. Have you two and your staff seen action, or are you staff officers?" His smaile did not hide the intended slur. Fritz rising, his friend grabbed him and with a cold look pushed him down, "Come over here you two and joion us, certainly we could use the refreshing company of men you are brave in combat, I am general Neils Borhsned, this is General Fritz Deutheltset. We are attached to Guderians operative group."
"What unit are with you two?" Mark just took the dialogue in, seeing the Major in a new light he simply smiled having been exposed to the likes of Fritz all his life as the son of a prominent military family full of high ranking officers.
Why my friend was in the 6th Panzers and single handedly lead a group of men on an attacked after his tank was disabled and killed several enemy tanks and stopped a counterattack."
"You, you are the one!" Fritz rushed over to shack Marks hand , We heard from your father you almost died...tell us about the battle", and a very angry look came over his face as he looked to Major Jenson for an escape.
"Do as he says lt." piped in MAjor Jenson.
The generals shared a look, not realizing that Jenson was the lt supperior officer, his long coat hiding his new tailored dress uniform with his iron cross 1st class and several service ribons. Your father recieved a letter from your former commanding officer and we heard about your efforts many times. " Neils stood up also to make room at the table for the two, motioningfor the aides to get up and move to another table as drinks began arriving.
"Gentlemen what would you like to drink?" the car staff asked. Looking stunned Mark asked for coffee and his request was met with chuckles, Jenson ordered wine and said, "the joys of youth. " The initial confrontation over, Niels motioned for Jenson to hear him privately. "frits is a hothead and a drunk, but he is a general and my friend, I am asking you as a fellow officer to apologise.. he will be insufferable after you two are gone if you do not?"
Jenson was amazed at the humility one showed and the bravado the other, two German generals each who socially and rank where many many levels above himself.
General, "please exceipt my apologies, since my return from the front my duties have been less than I had hoped." He looked to Mark and Mark smiled, thinking of his turn for payback,
"Yes the Major was dropped being the lines on a suicide mission at the beginning of "Lttle Sister", and now it was Jenson they all looked too and the men each in interupted bits told there stories in a cathartic expression that helped them let go off the events and to see themselves for a moment as the herors others saw when they looked at their exploits.
Two young soldiers fighting in a war neither understood against communism, one out of family tradition the other out of simple hatered of communism from past transgressions dating to before this war of a more personal nature.
The two men then heard of the exploits the generals had starting in France in the first WW and then in Poland and Greace, they did not participate in the France invasion, which they both expressed dismay. When asked where they where traveling, Jenson said he really could not discuss these matters and when pressed he simply showed his papers and asked the men two honor his request to not press him, it would not be fitting to discuss this in public, he hinted it reflected on the Lt. and the two dropped it at once.
"Give your father our regards.. " they both asked Mark, and to Jenson only a salute and then they where off after a seemingly breif twelve hour trip. Where are we, as a stiff Mark limped along in his crutches folloed by Jenson pushing an empty wheelchair.
"Does it matter?, your former command are to meet up here and proceed North"
"No", pausing and looking at his watch,"when?"
Saying nothing Jenson could sense the change he had labored these last weeks to see, the man emerging from the cocoon of self doupt and pity, this last test would tell.
"They are here, waiting for the train to come, should be getting here in the next hour."
The men waited and soon the former brothers in arms who themselves had been notified Mark had survived and that before being sent home was to visit them impromtu style on the roadside, where eager to great him and his minder. The men where eager to extoll him, to ask about the pretty nurses and his exploits causing the lt to blush. When they had to leave the men saluted the two and formed ranks boarding the trains preloaded with their tanks on flat cars, Jenson said nothing but noticed a tear form in the Lt eye, another good sign the shell was cracking. He had seen men go inward after battle as a commando and the result was usually a self destrucitve cycle, and the only way he knew to help was to be the target... at least up till now. He had continually pooked fun at the lt. and had run the ire of the hospital staff who only saw the exteranal acts of percieved cruelty and not the goal to get the Lt. out of his narcissism and see the others around him. Marks undoubtatly spoiled, or inulated childhood did not help, Jenson sermised, but this one would make it, already he began to talk about the things he would do when healthy and back on his feet in Germany, and about returning to the fight.
"Have you ever thought of putting your experience to work in a training center?"
"Not really "
Jenson smiled as the seed was planted, he knew that Marks father was already seeing that this would be his sons next asseingment should he be able to perform at that level. Jenson also wondered why he was promoted over the rank of Captain where a obviously very wll connected officer , and a hero, was still a lt.
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AGS reports of 09 09 1942
We have penetrated deep into the enemies territory.. after the destruction of the red armies at Stallingrad we forced the Don upriver... two counterattacks where stopped, one to the very edge of our opperating area launched arcross the Don, and the other on the East of the Volga. all those enemy units are gone. Now the enemy is slowly pushing mobile forces in our way as we advance, setting up screans while he remains dug in to the West. We are just about ready to close the gaps there and trap 12 red armies dug in along the Don.. but the rains approach, time is not our alley!
The rough diagram below shows our forces advancing lines as we surrounded Stall from both sides.. we then defeated several armies on each side of the Volga.. the strongest where near the enemies rail lines thus in supply on the western shores. The arrival of the southern mobil forces and their artillery and armored infantry and tank has opened up this section, there are now no effective enemy troops to our North and we could advance to Serotov where our advance units await. But your orders are being followed as we swing West , the destruction of this massive enemy formation paramount, I think all this area, North of Stall, will be where we fight again next summer!
We have penetrated deep into the enemies territory.. after the destruction of the red armies at Stallingrad we forced the Don upriver... two counterattacks where stopped, one to the very edge of our opperating area launched arcross the Don, and the other on the East of the Volga. all those enemy units are gone. Now the enemy is slowly pushing mobile forces in our way as we advance, setting up screans while he remains dug in to the West. We are just about ready to close the gaps there and trap 12 red armies dug in along the Don.. but the rains approach, time is not our alley!
The rough diagram below shows our forces advancing lines as we surrounded Stall from both sides.. we then defeated several armies on each side of the Volga.. the strongest where near the enemies rail lines thus in supply on the western shores. The arrival of the southern mobil forces and their artillery and armored infantry and tank has opened up this section, there are now no effective enemy troops to our North and we could advance to Serotov where our advance units await. But your orders are being followed as we swing West , the destruction of this massive enemy formation paramount, I think all this area, North of Stall, will be where we fight again next summer!
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09 12 1942
This is the report for AGS, an action report as Guderuin prematurely launches his breakout fearing the weather change and needless delays... Mansteins strong armor and rapid forces are just beginning to transition from a Northern axis of advance toward Sarotov, not seen just off the Map to the North and east, to an axis of advance shown headed behind the enemies forces. they are facing essential no resistance as troop trains are showing up with shells of enemy formations filled with ill supplied and low moral troops, easily swept aside. the Black bracket area shows the concentrated toops whose destruction is the primary goal of the actions, designated red zone.
09 12 1942
This is the report for AGS, an action report as Guderuin prematurely launches his breakout fearing the weather change and needless delays... Mansteins strong armor and rapid forces are just beginning to transition from a Northern axis of advance toward Sarotov, not seen just off the Map to the North and east, to an axis of advance shown headed behind the enemies forces. they are facing essential no resistance as troop trains are showing up with shells of enemy formations filled with ill supplied and low moral troops, easily swept aside. the Black bracket area shows the concentrated toops whose destruction is the primary goal of the actions, designated red zone.
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RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
Good aar freeboy 
I didn't read all but most of it is good... Style is OK - that is style used a lot on Paradox forum...
Just please do a check and let text go through some spell and typo checker
or not because aar is good even in this raw style hehe.
FiTE forces will have your name on it's monument soldier. [8D]
Mario
I didn't read all but most of it is good... Style is OK - that is style used a lot on Paradox forum...
Just please do a check and let text go through some spell and typo checker
or not because aar is good even in this raw style hehe.FiTE forces will have your name on it's monument soldier. [8D]
Mario
RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
Good to see some more screenies. 
How are you doing in the north?
How are you doing in the north? To repeat history in a game is to be predictable.
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RE: This is "not an aar " AAR
yep, usually try to Smeli check my work daily, will work on above ssoon.. the Norsth stalled out for lack of fresh troops at the Svir and well see below
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Field Marshel Hoth
We regreat to inform you, Model OKE our forces have been stopped and are now trading punches with an equally tired enemy force.
Field Marshel Hoth
We regreat to inform you, Model OKE our forces have been stopped and are now trading punches with an equally tired enemy force.
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Model reviews the maps sent in, this one shows Guderians forces pushing through heavy enemy dug in possitions whil the armored spearheads are to the East, Manstein off the map but headed in see above.
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OKE MAnstien Field Marshel
Personal notes before the fall conference with Hoth Vr and Manstein/Guderian, AG's south center and North.
The maps above show How slugging iin terrible terrain and MAnstied and G getting ready to fully take out the Vorensh area and prepare for an attack on Kursk Orel bulge in 43!, forom there we will advance on every airfield to relieve our air as the enemy has a perponderence of force there and then on to Moscow and the final victory. The enemy has no doupt plans for a wenter offensive.. we simply can give way wherewe need, setting up defensive kill zones and counterattacking, being mindfull of the winter difficulties with suplies, I am forwarding the intellegence we are getting to these commands as well as our projected winter fuel and supllyu estimates for theree force projections, I can already hear Hoth bitching about the train guns in the south still! I think we should distribute the Artillery and use the panzers to fill gaps when small holes show in the lines.
We may need to address the finall dig in lines once there is a stable line and the rains make mobil warfare impossible in the south.. no need to drain our forces, simply digging in, in good supply and resting is our best bet, we did have a GOOD offensive in the latter part of winter 42, capturing Karkov and Rostov and setting up our advances during little sister. We sill see, the conference starts in less than three weeks.
OKE MAnstien Field Marshel
Personal notes before the fall conference with Hoth Vr and Manstein/Guderian, AG's south center and North.
The maps above show How slugging iin terrible terrain and MAnstied and G getting ready to fully take out the Vorensh area and prepare for an attack on Kursk Orel bulge in 43!, forom there we will advance on every airfield to relieve our air as the enemy has a perponderence of force there and then on to Moscow and the final victory. The enemy has no doupt plans for a wenter offensive.. we simply can give way wherewe need, setting up defensive kill zones and counterattacking, being mindfull of the winter difficulties with suplies, I am forwarding the intellegence we are getting to these commands as well as our projected winter fuel and supllyu estimates for theree force projections, I can already hear Hoth bitching about the train guns in the south still! I think we should distribute the Artillery and use the panzers to fill gaps when small holes show in the lines.
We may need to address the finall dig in lines once there is a stable line and the rains make mobil warfare impossible in the south.. no need to drain our forces, simply digging in, in good supply and resting is our best bet, we did have a GOOD offensive in the latter part of winter 42, capturing Karkov and Rostov and setting up our advances during little sister. We sill see, the conference starts in less than three weeks.
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Thanks for the screenies, Freeboy.
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