Very Confused About Pilot Pools

[Grotius]

I like the micromanagement too. It's fun. I've put 10 pilots in TRACOM; we'll see if they make any difference.

As for inexperienced pilots showing up in TRACOM, as someone reported earlier: is that working as designed? Trainees joining trainers?

[ckammp]

ORIGINAL: xj900uk

To give your hard-worked & stressed pilots some much-needed R&R.  This was one of the main reasons why the IJN suffered so badly,  that it didn't understand the need to give it's hard-pressed pilots some time off...

A far better option is pulling the whole unit off-line, rather than lose a good pilot fo 6 months. If 1 pilot is so fatigued, then all the other pilots in the unit are probably also highly fatigued.

While it was nice of the devs to include an option to simulate an USO War Bond tour, the option has no positive effects, and I would recommend it be ignored.

[scott64]

My opponent and myself are in Nov 1942, me allies. I have over 10 pilots in TRACOM. It gets heartwarming that you can track your progress. I look forward to the end of the month. [X(] Here is what happened in the past few months
October 42
Accelerated training for 2 US Navy pilots
Accelerated training for 152 US Army pilots
Accelerated training for 16 US Marines pilots
Accelerated training for 20 New Zealand pilots
Accelerated training for 3 Soviet pilots
Accelerated training for 31 Soviet pilots
Accelerated training for 6 Indian pilots
Sept 42
Accelerated training for 54 US Navy pilots
Accelerated training for 11 US Army pilots
US Army instructors accelerate training of 7 pilots[:)]
Accelerated training for 20 Australian pilots
Accelerated training for 8 New Zealand pilots
Accelerated training for 10 Chinese pilots
Accelerated training for 7 Soviet pilots
Accelerated training for 28 Soviet pilots
Aug 42
Accelerated training for 383 US Navy pilots
Accelerated training for 70 US Army pilots
Accelerated training for 371 US Army pilots
Accelerated training for 26 New Zealand pilots
Accelerated training for 13 Soviet pilots
Accelerated training for 3 Soviet pilots
Accelerated training for 1 Indian pilots

[Mike Solli]

Holy cow, Scott!  Who did the "accelerated training" for all those guys?  The only one I understand is the US Army Instructor line.

[Mike Solli]

Holy cow, Scott!  Who did the "accelerated training" for all those guys?  The only one I understand is the US Army Instructor line.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Okay...are there really players that want and enjoy this kind of micromanagement?

Canoerebel,

My preference would be for the computer to take on these functions, provided that it does so flawlessly and with ease. Failing that unrealistic expectation, I'll do it myself as best I can. I don't enjoy the micromanagement, per se, but just look at it as a way to extract as much value from the system as I can, since the computer would likely bollocks thing up. No stone unturned and all that.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Okay...are there really players that want and enjoy this kind of micromanagement?

Canoerebel,

My preference would be for the computer to take on these functions, provided that it does so flawlessly and with ease. Failing that unrealistic expectation, I'll do it myself as best I can. I don't enjoy the micromanagement, per se, but just look at it as a way to extract as much value from the system as I can, since the computer would likely bollocks thing up. No stone unturned and all that.

CB - but only because our human opponents have the option to do it. Against the AI I never bothered.

[Miller]

If it was not for this ability to manage pilots most of my KB airgroups would be averaging 50 exp now........

One thing I dont understand is the practice of placing high exp pilots into training command. I have thousands of replacement pilots waiting to be assigned, so why do I need to accelerate more???

[Mike Dixon]

All,

So about how many pilots should one have in TRACOM?

Thanks

Mike

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Mike Dixon

All,

So about how many pilots should one have in TRACOM?

Thanks

Mike

That's the $64,000 question. The developers are intentionally quiet about that subject. They want us to figure it out ourselves. [:D] Early on, Michaelm (I believe it was him but I may be mistaken) said that it was good to allocate them in groups of 10. All I can say is that I've had 10 IJN pilots and 5 IJA pilots in TRACOM and it hasn't done a bit of good. *Shrug*

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Mike Dixon

All,

So about how many pilots should one have in TRACOM?

Thanks

Mike

That's the $64,000 question. The developers are intentionally quiet about that subject. They want us to figure it out ourselves. [:D] Early on, Michaelm (I believe it was him but I may be mistaken) said that it was good to allocate them in groups of 10. All I can say is that I've had 10 IJN pilots and 5 IJA pilots in TRACOM and it hasn't done a bit of good. *Shrug*

[Mike Dixon]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Mike Dixon

All,

So about how many pilots should one have in TRACOM?

Thanks

Mike

That's the $64,000 question. The developers are intentionally quiet about that subject. They want us to figure it out ourselves. [:D] Early on, Michaelm (I believe it was him but I may be mistaken) said that it was good to allocate them in groups of 10. All I can say is that I've had 10 IJN pilots and 5 IJA pilots in TRACOM and it hasn't done a bit of good. *Shrug*

Thanks Mike. Another question, is it worth putting a mixture of high experience Fighter and and also Naval attack pilots (i.e. Betties) in there as well?

Mike

[xj900uk]

I'd say mix it up...

[Chickenboy]

Mike,

Do you track the numbers of 35EXP fliers you have coming out of your flight training every month?

[vicberg]

I need to chirp into this thread...Training Command is still an option to send to pilots to. In addition, TRACOM is an option for replacing pilots. Is this simply old code left in the system and not really functional?

[Icedawg]

ORIGINAL: ckammp

Hopefully Helpful Hints - Pilots


I. Types of Pilot Pools

 A) Replacement Pool - low-experience pilots who are recent graduates of the off-map training program.
 B) Reserve Pool - experienced pilots, assigned into 3 sectons: Group Reserve, General Reserve, TRACOM.
   1) Group Reserve - This includes the following pilots:
     a) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but who have a delayed arrival date.
     b) Pilots assigned to an inactive unit. (the unit has not yet arrived)
     c) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but WIA.
     d) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but inactive due to too many pilots in the unit.
     e) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but inactive due to too few planes in the unit.
      f) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but inactive in order to be transferred. 
    2) General Reserve - This includes the following pilots:
     a) Pilots not assigned to any unit.
     b) Pilots whose unit was permanently disbanded/withdrawn.
     c) Pilots whose unit was destroyed while they were inactive due to WIA.
     d) Pilots transferred from Group Reserve.
     e) Pilots in General Reserve are grouped by type. (Bomber, Fighter, Patrol)
      f) Pilot type is determined by either the editor or unit type.
    3) TRACOM - This includes the following pilots:
      a) High experience (80+) pilots assigned by the player.
      b) Pilots in TRACOM help to speed up the off-map training program. 
C) Trainee Pool - pilots training in the off-map training program. Available only if the other Pools are empty.


II. Transferring Pilots

A) From unit to Group Reserve
   1) From the air unit's information screen, click "Pilots".
   2) Left-click the name of the pilot, then click "Yes".
   3) The pilot will remain in the unit list, but greyed-out. The pilot will now also be listed in "Group Reserve".
B) From unit to General Reserve
   1) From the air unit's information screen, click "Pilots".
   2) Left-click the name of the pilot, then click "Yes".
   3) Left-click the name of the pilot again, then click "Yes".
   4) The pilot is no longer in the unit list. The pilot will now be listed in "General Reserve".
C) From General Reserve to TRACOM
   1) Eligible pilots' names appear in yellow in the General reserve list.
   2) Click the name of the pilot, then click "Yes".
D) Limitations of Transfers
   1) Pilots assigned to units due to withdraw
     a) Pilots in these units can transfer to Group Reserve with no restrictions.
     b) Pilots in these units can transfer to General Reserve if the following condition is met:
         - The # of pilots in the unit exceeds the maximum # of planes +1.
         - e.g. if a unit can have 13 planes, there must be at least 15 pilots.
     c) Pilots in excess of maximum planes +1 can transfer to General Reserve.
     e) Pilots in these units eligible to transfer are randomly determined.


III. Assigning Pilots to Units

A) From the Replacement Pool
   1) From the air unit's information screen, click "Get New Pilot".
     a) Each click will assign 1 pilot, up to the maximum allowed.
   2) From the air unit's information screen, click "Get # Pilots".
     a) This will give the unit it's maximum allowed pilots at once.
   3) The pilot(s) will now be listed on the air unit's "Pilots" list.
 B) From the Reserve Pool
   1) From the air unit's information screen, click "Request Veteran".
   2) Click the name of the desired pilot, then click "Yes".
   3) If transfer delay is less then 6 days, the pilot will be listed on the air unit's "Pilots" list.
C) Transfer Delay
   1) There is a random, up to 15 days, delay for pilots transferring from the Reserve Pools.
   2) Pilots with a delay of 6 days or less will show up immediately in the assigned unit's "Pilot" list.
   3) Pilots with a delay of 7-15 days will be listed under Group Reserve until the delay is 6 days.
   4) Pilots with a delay of 7-15 days will not be listed in their units "Pilot" list until the delay is 6 days.  
                 

Thanks for the nice summary/guide. It is quite helpful.

I have a bit of a problem though. I was playing around with moving pilots around and noticed something that seemed odd. I moved some pilots from a group of Claudes into the the General Reserve. I then went to another Claude unit and clicked "request veteran". Only one of the four or five pilots I moved was listed as a potential choice (and he had lower experience than some of the other guys I transferred). Why aren't the others listed as well?

Also, shouldn't these guys be available by tranferring from the Reserve Pool as well (without having to use "request veteran")?

Is there some sort of delay from going into the Reserve and becoming available to be taken from the Reserve? If so, are some pilots delayed while others are not?

[jeffs]

Where can I move a pilot in group reserve to?

[ckammp]

ORIGINAL: Icedawg

ORIGINAL: ckammp

Hopefully Helpful Hints - Pilots


I. Types of Pilot Pools

 A) Replacement Pool - low-experience pilots who are recent graduates of the off-map training program.
 B) Reserve Pool - experienced pilots, assigned into 3 sectons: Group Reserve, General Reserve, TRACOM.
   1) Group Reserve - This includes the following pilots:
     a) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but who have a delayed arrival date.
     b) Pilots assigned to an inactive unit. (the unit has not yet arrived)
     c) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but WIA.
     d) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but inactive due to too many pilots in the unit.
     e) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but inactive due to too few planes in the unit.
      f) Pilots assigned to an active unit, but inactive in order to be transferred. 
    2) General Reserve - This includes the following pilots:
     a) Pilots not assigned to any unit.
     b) Pilots whose unit was permanently disbanded/withdrawn.
     c) Pilots whose unit was destroyed while they were inactive due to WIA.
     d) Pilots transferred from Group Reserve.
     e) Pilots in General Reserve are grouped by type. (Bomber, Fighter, Patrol)
      f) Pilot type is determined by either the editor or unit type.
    3) TRACOM - This includes the following pilots:
      a) High experience (80+) pilots assigned by the player.
      b) Pilots in TRACOM help to speed up the off-map training program. 
C) Trainee Pool - pilots training in the off-map training program. Available only if the other Pools are empty.


II. Transferring Pilots

A) From unit to Group Reserve
   1) From the air unit's information screen, click "Pilots".
   2) Left-click the name of the pilot, then click "Yes".
   3) The pilot will remain in the unit list, but greyed-out. The pilot will now also be listed in "Group Reserve".
B) From unit to General Reserve
   1) From the air unit's information screen, click "Pilots".
   2) Left-click the name of the pilot, then click "Yes".
   3) Left-click the name of the pilot again, then click "Yes".
   4) The pilot is no longer in the unit list. The pilot will now be listed in "General Reserve".
C) From General Reserve to TRACOM
   1) Eligible pilots' names appear in yellow in the General reserve list.
   2) Click the name of the pilot, then click "Yes".
D) Limitations of Transfers
   1) Pilots assigned to units due to withdraw
     a) Pilots in these units can transfer to Group Reserve with no restrictions.
     b) Pilots in these units can transfer to General Reserve if the following condition is met:
         - The # of pilots in the unit exceeds the maximum # of planes +1.
         - e.g. if a unit can have 13 planes, there must be at least 15 pilots.
     c) Pilots in excess of maximum planes +1 can transfer to General Reserve.
     e) Pilots in these units eligible to transfer are randomly determined.


III. Assigning Pilots to Units

A) From the Replacement Pool
   1) From the air unit's information screen, click "Get New Pilot".
     a) Each click will assign 1 pilot, up to the maximum allowed.
   2) From the air unit's information screen, click "Get # Pilots".
     a) This will give the unit it's maximum allowed pilots at once.
   3) The pilot(s) will now be listed on the air unit's "Pilots" list.
 B) From the Reserve Pool
   1) From the air unit's information screen, click "Request Veteran".
   2) Click the name of the desired pilot, then click "Yes".
   3) If transfer delay is less then 6 days, the pilot will be listed on the air unit's "Pilots" list.
C) Transfer Delay
   1) There is a random, up to 15 days, delay for pilots transferring from the Reserve Pools.
   2) Pilots with a delay of 6 days or less will show up immediately in the assigned unit's "Pilot" list.
   3) Pilots with a delay of 7-15 days will be listed under Group Reserve until the delay is 6 days.
   4) Pilots with a delay of 7-15 days will not be listed in their units "Pilot" list until the delay is 6 days.  
                 

Thanks for the nice summary/guide. It is quite helpful.

I have a bit of a problem though. I was playing around with moving pilots around and noticed something that seemed odd. I moved some pilots from a group of Claudes into the the General Reserve. I then went to another Claude unit and clicked "request veteran". Only one of the four or five pilots I moved was listed as a potential choice (and he had lower experience than some of the other guys I transferred). Why aren't the others listed as well?

Also, shouldn't these guys be available by tranferring from the Reserve Pool as well (without having to use "request veteran")?

Is there some sort of delay from going into the Reserve and becoming available to be taken from the Reserve? If so, are some pilots delayed while others are not?

There is a random, up to 15 day delay when transferring pilots to other units, or when transferring pilots to General Reserve.
Because of this delay, if you want a pilot to go to a specific unit, it is better to transfer the desired pilot straight to the desired unit, rather than transfer the pilot to General Reserve, then to the desired unit.
Pilots transferred to General Reserve who have a delay of 8 days or more are not available for transfer to a unit until there delay is 7 days or less; however, the delay is shown on the General Reserve screen as the month due, not the day due, which makes it hard to know exactly when the pilot will be available. So if you don't have an immediate need for a pilot, transfer him to General Reserve, if you want the pilot in a specific unit ASAP, use the direct-transfer method.

Pilots can't be transferred from the General Reserve pool to an unit without using "Request Veteran".

AFAIK, the transfer delay is totally random, I've seen no difference in high Exp pilots or low Exp pilots, nor in amount of Fatigue, or location of the unit.

Hope this helps.

[ckammp]

ORIGINAL: jeffs

Where can I move a pilot in group reserve to?

Pilots in Group Reserve can be transferred to 4 places:

1) Pilots eligible for TRACOM (must have 81+ Exp, their names will be in yellow text), can be transferred to TRACOM either from the Group Reserve Screen or from the assigned unit's Pilots Screen.

2) Transferred back to Active Status. (right-click their greyed-out name on their unit's Pilots Screen)

3) Transferred to another unit. (using Request Veteran from the new unit's Air Unit Information Screen)

4) Transferred to General Reserve. (left-click their greyed-out name on their unit's Pilots Screen)

Hope this helps.

[Icedawg]

ORIGINAL: ckammp

Because of this delay, if you want a pilot to go to a specific unit, it is better to transfer the desired pilot straight to the desired unit, rather than transfer the pilot to General Reserve, then to the desired unit.

Thanks for the clarification. I should have read the bit about delays a bit more carefully. I've got a bit of a question though. How do you transfer pilots straight to the desired unit? I thought you had to go through the Reserve Pool.