Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad

[GaryChildress]

For the main armament I invented a gun based generally upon the 28cm SK C/34 used by the Scharnhorst.

[oldman45]

I used this site for those guns;

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNNeth_11-545.htm

Because of his comments I came up with these numbers

Range 36
Accuracy 40
Pen 604
effect 727

Just my guesses

[GaryChildress]

ORIGINAL: oldman45

I used this site for those guns;

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNNeth_11-545.htm

Because of his comments I came up with these numbers

Range 36
Accuracy 40
Pen 604
effect 727

Just my guesses

The stats off the site are the same I got out of a Wiki article on the guns.

For range it has 46,590 yds so I put 46k for range.
Accuracy - I didn't know what to put so I just left it at the same accuracy as the 12" gun I used for copy and paste.
Penetration - wasn't sure what to put here either so I used the penetration given for 8,640 yds.
For efffect it says use weight of the shell which is 694lbs so that's what I used.

[DuckofTindalos]

The proposed Dutch mounts had considerably longer range than the German equivalents, because they could elevate the tubes much higher.

[oldman45]

Thats a good point Terminus, but they were using a smaller powder charge and I am not sure how that would effect range.

[oldman45]

Gary- I went with a higher accuracy because I assumed the guns would be German built and they tended to be more accurate then many of the other European navies.

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: oldman45

Gary- I went with a higher accuracy because I assumed the guns would be German built and they tended to be more accurate then many of the other European navies.

Actually, in historical terms, they weren't very different. An Acc of 40 is twice the accuracy of the Iowa's 16in rifles; I think you'll agree that's too much.

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Terminus
Actually, in historical terms, they weren't very different. An Acc of 40 is twice the accuracy of the Iowa's 16in rifles; I think you'll agree that's too much.

T's on the money. In historical terms german guns were not more accurate. Most were in the ballpark, many sucked, nothing much to speak of. This nazi-uber-ober owl dung is just that. Same as everybody else, good, bad, average, mostly just average.

Accuracy is a parameter used in the game. Acc is calculated using mathematics. Acc has nothing whatever to do with rof or any of those things people love to talk about. Acc is calculated using mathematics. Don't get sucked into thinking Acc is rof. It isn't.

[dwg]

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

This is a neat ship, a VERY large DD at 426 ft. Somewhere between a DD and a DD leader. I took the original design on shipbucket and took off the seaplane (a seaplane seems kind of useless for a DD)

But seaplanes were historically correct for the Admiralen class in the NEI. The shipbucket design looks reasonably like the real Gerard Callenburgh class as designed to follow on from the Admiralen, but none were completed to that design, with the Germans finishing Gerard Callenburgh, and the British Isaac Sweers, while Tjerk Hiddes and Philips Van Almoride were scuttled. The big discrepancy is the length, which was only 351ft, but at 1600t they were still reasonably big for contemporary destroyers. A and Y were twins, X a single, while B mount should be a 40mm, presumably a Hazemeyer, rather than the anomalous turret.

[oldman45]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Terminus
Actually, in historical terms, they weren't very different. An Acc of 40 is twice the accuracy of the Iowa's 16in rifles; I think you'll agree that's too much.

T's on the money. In historical terms german guns were not more accurate. Most were in the ballpark, many sucked, nothing much to speak of. This nazi-uber-ober owl dung is just that. Same as everybody else, good, bad, average, mostly just average.

Accuracy is a parameter used in the game. Acc is calculated using mathematics. Acc has nothing whatever to do with rof or any of those things people love to talk about. Acc is calculated using mathematics. Don't get sucked into thinking Acc is rof. It isn't.

30 is a better number?

[DuckofTindalos]

Less than 20. Like I said, German guns were not more accurate than others.

[JuanG]

I would suggest something around 25; as rate of fire factors into the accuracy value too, and a good comparison is the Alaska's 12in/50 at 27 accuracy. Assuming the Dutch FC gear is not quite as good as late war US stuff, but that the gun does have a better ROF than the 12in/50, it would be reasonable to speculate an accuracy of ~25.

Under 20 is definately much too low.

[DuckofTindalos]

22 at most. RoF isn't much of a contributing factor.

[JWE]

Well, you guys don't like math, so here it is in pictures. [:D] There's the curve, and various JP, US, UK guns plotted on the curve (and yes, Dutch, French, and Russians, fit too..). The proposed gun is the vertical line in the middle. Line has length of spread which isn't really very good (much too long). Data crunching says 26 or 'maybe' 25 or 27 (btw, in DBB, Alaska is 28).

FC is not included in Acc. It is taken care of elsewhere in another sub-routine module. So trying to include it in Acc will cause "double counting" and screw things up. Acc is a "baseline" data value.



edited for spelling

[oldman45]

Pictures are always good! Thanks boss.

[RyanCrierie]

Out of sheer curiosity, how would you rate the 8"/55 RF Mk 16s of DES MOINES Link and the 6"/47 DP Mk 16s of WORCESTER Link 2?

[GaryChildress]

Back to the Germans. Admiral Hipper class...

[GaryChildress]

Game files...

[GaryChildress]

The growing German battle fleet.

[traskott]

Thanks Gary !! Great work !!! [&o][&o]