Random weather - Again

[Tarhunnas]

I am in turn 50 of a GC with random weather. The date is May 28 1942. All of May up to now has been snow in the North Soviet zone. The rivers are frozen. See here! I checked the random weather table and discovered that the snow in Moscow can actually continue until June 19! [X(] I mean, this is crazy! Looking at the weather for Moscow right now IRL, it is 22 degrees centigrade!

I thought I can imagine the late snow is light mud, an unusually dry spring, but the ice! The rivers are still frozen and present no obstacle to combat and movement! No way there will be frozen rivers in Moscow in the middle of June!

I really think the random weather table has to be revised.

[Theng]

Ever heard of climate change? and no I am not kidding. The historic records are on the side of the game. Today's weather and climate has already measurably changed.

[Tarhunnas]

ORIGINAL: Xian

Ever heard of climate change? and no I am not kidding. The historic records are on the side of the game. Today's weather and climate has already measurably changed.

Hardly to the extent that there was snow in Moscow in June in the 1940s!

[Q-Ball]

Global Warming or no, Snow is ridiculous. It's possible that Moscow had a cold snap or two into May, but not the kind of sustained cold temperatures it takes to create ICE conditions, or snow accumulation on the ground. No way!

[fbs]

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas

I am in turn 50 of a GC with random weather. The date is May 28 1942. All of May up to now has been snow in the North Soviet zone.

Just wait until you get a giant tsunami that wipes all your units and leaves a huge oiler stranded in the middle of Moscow...

[PeeDeeAitch]

I blame JAMiAM.

[Joel Billings]

According to the random weather table, there's a 20% chance of snow each turn in the North Zone. The odds of getting snow the entire month (and it would take many turns of snow or a late April Blizzard to get freezing of the rivers) is extremely low. But that's the nature of "random" weather.

[Scook_99]

I do have to ask, where can you find the weather data for the 1940s? I have done some quick searches and no avail. I am pretty sure there have been freak years where snow and ice have been on the ground in June. For example, in Iowa, 2, maybe 3 years ago, it started snowing in October, and that snow didn't melt until the middle of June the next year.

[Theng]

We don't have to go back that far actually. There was snow in Moscow on June 10th 2008, and June 4th 2003, and June 5th 2010 (a tiny bit), before that we have to go back to June 1963 for snowfall. Now we can argue about the amount of snow...

http://www.city-data.com/forum/idaho/35 ... 008-a.html

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/arti ... 38054.html

http://www.mymoscowblog.com/?p=144

[Scook_99]

Thank you! I like real data before I come to conclusions. Ice pack seems rather improbable just based on the above links, but then, not impossible.

[Baron von Beer]

Xian, you do realize that the first link is Moscow, Idaho, USA (Home of University of Idaho), and the last link was not snow, but from trees?

[Theng]

Yes, but only after I posted them. Damn poplar trees!

[Baron von Beer]

ORIGINAL: Xian

Yes, but only after I posted them. Damn poplar trees!

They're the cleverest of all trees after all. [:D]

[JAMiAM]

ORIGINAL: Baron von Beer

ORIGINAL: Xian

Yes, but only after I posted them. Damn poplar trees!

They're the cleverest of all trees after all. [:D]

Everyone likes a clever tree. It makes them...poplar...[;)]

[Speedysteve]

ba.....duh.....dum [;)]

[henri51]

ORIGINAL: Speedy

ba.....duh.....dum [;)]

On another thread, I proposed that the game use a randomly chosen month (say January) among say 50 years, and use the weather for that month.If the numbers are not available for Russia, the numbers for areas of North America are probably similar.

And as one who lives in an area with weather pretty much equivalent to Moscow, I can vouch that snow in June is possible (I have even seen snow fall in July), but that its effect is felt for less than a day, after which it melts and its effect is equivalent to rain. So the game's making it possible to have a month or even a week of snow in June is highly unrealistic.

[Joel Billings]

So we're good then because we don't have snow weeks in June. [:)]

[Tarhunnas]

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

So we're good then because we don't have snow weeks in June. [:)]

It says in the manual (the updated one that came with the latest beta) that the May weather is in effect up to June 19, and that includes snow. Has that been changed or am I misunderstanding something? Sorry in that case.

[Joel Billings]

My bad. You're absolutely right. Could be snow in June, although again, the chance you'll still have a freeze then is probably pretty low, but assuming a late April Blizzard, anything is possible.

[morganbj]

ORIGINAL: Scook_99

... in Iowa, 2, maybe 3 years ago, it started snowing in October, and that snow didn't melt until the middle of June the next year.

More evidence of glogal warming. [:D]