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[deepdive]

Please add "Rescue" mission to all helicopters

Please add a single B-61 to US RF-4C and German RF-4E SIOP Missions. (Right here right now, i cant remember if USAF RF-4c are included in DB2000, if not please add it as they stood SIOP alert in Britain and Germany up to the late 80`s)

Bjørn

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: deepdive

Please add "Rescue" mission to all helicopters

This may not be necessary. All aircraft already have a Ferry loadout, which is probably good enough if the only thing you are trying to do is fly from point A to point B, pick someone up, and fly back to point A...odds are, the extra few hundred pounds for picking up a pilot or a spy or a couple of refugees won't make that much difference in terms of range, performance, or gameplay. It does make sense that any helicopter could be used for a rescue mission, but it just seems like a huge effort to add a new loadout for every single aircraft...eeek!

[Broncepulido]

On the Bofors 57mm PH probably far higher than 1%, at least with 57mm 3P-HE ammunition with 8000+ fragments by shell:
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNSwede ... _mk123.htm
(See also in the BAE Systems site referenced by Skjold the ORKA guided ammunition is very different, anti-surface (mostly) and anti-air, with range limited to 5,39 nm, and 3,9 Kg projectile weight, against 2,4 Kg of 57mm 3P-HE).

[Broncepulido]

On the RF-4E/RF-4C nuke question, for fast aircraft reference I employ the great Joe Baugher site.

Luftwaffe's service of RF-4E/F-4F:
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f4_43.html

RF-4E:
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f4_16.html

RF-4C (quote: "Initially, the RF-4C carried no weapons, and the underfuselage Sparrow missile slots of the F-4C were omitted. However, in an emergency the RF-4C could carry a nuclear weapon on the centerline position, but this was rarely done in practice. Aircraft from the European-based 10th TRW were eventually fitted with AJB-7 low-altitude bombing system system equipment just in case the delivery of nuclear weapons ever became necessary", from my own personal notes the RF-4C was capable of carry 1xB28 (in service 1958-1991, 1980-2340 lb. weight), B43 (1961-1991, 2100 lb.) and B57 (1963-1993, 510 lb, but employed perhaps only by USN). Capability to carry 4xAIM-9M was added circa 1984 :
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f4_9.html

RF-4C was employed by 10th TFW 1965-1987 (not clear if nuke capable from the start), main base RAF Alconbury:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_Air_ ... sance_Wing

Phantom II service with USAF:
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f4_36.html

Related:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing#NATO

The only German nuclear base is located in Büchel Air Base, near the border with Luxembourg. The base has 11 Protective Aircraft Shelters (PAS) equipped with WS3 Vaults for storage of nuclear weapons (maximum capacity of 44). There are 20 B61 nuclear bombs stored on the base for delivery by German PA-200 Tornado IDS bombers of the JaBoG 33 squadron. By 2015 Germany's Tornado IDS aircraft were due to be retired, and it is unclear what nuclear sharing role, if any, Germany will then retain.[

[B52H]

A few helis are needed for a few scenarios that I'm currently working on:

MI-2 Hoplite

http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/ ... mi2_en.php

T-14 Armata (MBT)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata

T-15 Armata (IFV)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-15_Armata

CH-54 Tarhe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_CH-54_Tarhe

UH-1V Huey

Aeromedical and rescue variant of the UH-1 for US Army

M551 Shreidan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M551_Sheridan

[Zaslon]

#2364 - P 41 Meteoro

-Remove C-lite Sensors.
+Attach Dorna 2 FCS to Mk-38 cannons.
+Generic ESM should be changed to ESM RIGEL ( installed too in #3014 F 105 Cristobal Colon)
+Can acommodate 2 Rhibs (7 m)

Armada webpage about BAM
BAM sensors

#3014 F 105 Cristobal Colón
#768 and #827 F 101 Alvaro de Bazán

-Remove TRS-3D/32 radar

Info for F 101

Thank you very much.

[thewood1]

ORIGINAL: B52H

A few helis are needed for a few scenarios that I'm currently working on:

MI-2 Hoplite

http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/ ... mi2_en.php

T-14 Armata (MBT)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata

T-15 Armata (IFV)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-15_Armata

CH-54 Tarhe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_CH-54_Tarhe

UH-1V Huey

Aeromedical and rescue variant of the UH-1 for US Army

M551 Shreidan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M551_Sheridan

Why would you need a T-14 or T-15? There is almost no difference between tanks in the database. I don't think there is the granularity needed. A T-90 and BMP-3 would probably function the same...just change the names if it bothers you.

[mikmykWS]

Right now there is only a slight difference in fire controls, weapons and sensors.

The new Russian tanks and IFV's have shown up in Parade's and they'll likely be added once I can find enough detail level stuff to build them. I recently added the BMD-4M and BTR-MD because I had enough.

Couple of interesting things though have come up in research on Russian land/Ukraine units.

1)Most would assume the BTR-90 would be the follow on APC to the BTR-80. Not the case. Turned out to be a bit of a flop and only 100 or so were bought and instead the Russians went with the BTR-82A.
2) BMD-4: Very few of these were actually built however the company that builds them went out of business and the replacement vendor then build the BMD-4M which is pretty much the same minus a few non game oriented things (at this point). They also purchased the BTR-MD which seems to be a bit of an insurance policy. Eventually one will make the most sense and one will be bought in significantly less numbers.
3)T-80's: Little to none were involved in the Ukrainian fight. The Ukrainian's version were in storage and Russian's not as available because of the significantly greater cost of fuel. Modern T-72M's and T-64 Bulat's viewed as better.
4)Ukrainian Oplot-M's and some of the newer IFV: Lot of smoke and mirrors (literally). Very few of these actually built never mind in service.

So lesson learned in there is a bit more research to be done and things don't always work out as every one of these systems was in somebody's May Day parade at some time or another. Best to be patient.

Mike

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: thewood1

ORIGINAL: B52H

A few helis are needed for a few scenarios that I'm currently working on:

MI-2 Hoplite

http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/ ... mi2_en.php

T-14 Armata (MBT)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata

T-15 Armata (IFV)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-15_Armata

CH-54 Tarhe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_CH-54_Tarhe

UH-1V Huey

Aeromedical and rescue variant of the UH-1 for US Army

M551 Shreidan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M551_Sheridan

Why would you need a T-14 or T-15? There is almost no difference between tanks in the database. I don't think there is the granularity needed. A T-90 and BMP-3 would probably function the same...just change the names if it bothers you.

True, but there might be some subtle differences that affect a scenario a bit (different weapons compared to other tanks or other capabilities, etc.) Plus, with the Russian tanks, you know it's going to be exported to a bunch of other countries in the next ten or twenty years, so it probably doesn't hurt to add it.

[jun5896]

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... al-425267/

Add F-35 for denmark

[skjold89]

ORIGINAL: jun5896

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... al-425267/

Add F-35 for denmark

Nothing is finalised yet, debate is still to be held in the danish parlament.

[jun5896]

ORIGINAL: Skjold

ORIGINAL: jun5896

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... al-425267/

Add F-35 for denmark

Nothing is finalised yet, debate is still to be held in the danish parlament.

Ah! I see thanks for feedback, I missed to read last paragraph.

[Rodney909]

Greetings,

Using the online database viewing tool I noticed Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan are missing.
Is it possible to add these countries to future database versions please?

Thank you very much

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: Rodney909

Greetings,

Using the online database viewing tool I noticed Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan are missing.
Is it possible to add these countries to future database versions please?

Thank you very much

It may help to identify the specific platforms you need for whatever scenario(s) you are writing.

For some of the platforms, for the time being, you can just use the Soviet-era weapons transferred at the end of the Cold War and in the following years (not always legally...Armenia apparently has quite a few SCUD missiles they're not supposed to have!).

To get an idea of exactly when a particular weapon made its way into the hands of one of these countries, http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/pa ... gister.php is a useful source.

I hope this helps.

[peterc100248]

There is a fairly significant vessel missing from the US Navy inventory - the Mark V Special Operations boat. Here is Wikipedia information, which is hardly authoritative, but the boat has been in operational use since at least as early as 2003.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_V_Special_Operations_Craft

65+ knots, significant range and weapon capability. Carries 14 SEALs and the boat crew. As much as we all enjoy the Cold War / Hot War scenarios, it seems the future may dictate more littoral missions and conflicts.

Edited to fix link with a "real" computer.

[peterc100248]

Sorry about the link above. All I can say is don't try and post with an IPad!!!

[Rodney909]

Thank you for your explanation Mgellis.

[DeSade]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk
1)Most would assume the BTR-90 would be the follow on APC to the BTR-80. Not the case. Turned out to be a bit of a flop and only 100 or so were bought and instead the Russians went with the BTR-82A.

Most of BTR's are BTR-82AM, which are factory modernized versions of BTR-80 (over 700 modernized since 2010), new production is BTR-82A, but its going slow, according to the sources.
Replacement is VPK-7829 Bumerang:



but high price makes BTR-82 main APC for years to come

ORIGINAL: mikmyk
2) BMD-4: Very few of these were actually built however the company that builds them went out of business and the replacement vendor then build the BMD-4M which is pretty much the same minus a few non game oriented things (at this point). They also purchased the BTR-MD which seems to be a bit of an insurance policy. Eventually one will make the most sense and one will be bought in significantly less numbers.

Actually, IFV BMD-4 (originally BMD-3M) was in fact old BMD-3 chassis and propulsion with new turret. Thats why only 30 or so was build. BMD-4M is completely new construction and pride of Russian airborne troops (2 battalions in service, almost 700 ordered with deliveries up to 2025).



Similar story with APC BTR-MD, prototype construction based on old BMD-3M chassis, but new APC BTR-MDM based on BTR-4M is already in service and almost 1000 was ordered, also with 10 year delivery schedule. Although to be honest, Russian economy will need some serious boost to afford to deliver such numbers

[mikmykWS]

Ah the plot thickens. I'm sure you see my point though about jumping at parade pictures?

Got stats on these deeper than Wikipedia? If so post and will gladly build them.

Mike

[DeSade]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Ah the plot thickens. I'm sure you see my point though about jumping at parade pictures?

Got stats on these deeper than Wikipedia? If so post and will gladly build them.

Mike

I picked parade pictures because they look so nice there
As for Bumerang, you are right, no need to hurry, as optimistic IOC dates are around 2018-19 (and they didn't take into account sanctions, lots of components used were from the EU, Irish transmission, Italian tyres etc.).

But BMD-4M and BTR-MDM are real:

140 BMD-4M and 90 BTR-MDM scheduled for delivery in 2016

IOC declared end of April

Personally, I consider numbers given by commander of russian Airborne Troops in first link (1500 BDM-4M and 2500 BTR-MDM) pure propaganda.

From the game perspective, I don't think there is any important differentiating factor justifying adding them to DB other then having "real" names, so I think I shouldn't post it here - sorry :/