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Well Done!

Be wary of getting trapped by the KB in those limited waters though...
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Half of the Japanese pre-war BBs are not sunk or in serious need of extended yard time. This will hurt his future plans and maybe make him commit more of the precious KB air groups in bombing targets with high concentrations of allied AAA. This will help deplete them and help the future American carrier groups when the eventual carrier showdown happens.
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Well Done!

Be wary of getting trapped by the KB in those limited waters though...

My CVs are ordered to "aggressively advance towards Colombo" [:D]

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Logistics:

Only now I realize the acute lack of Allied escorts. Japanese subs can hunt with impunity until I organize my convoys, which will take 1-2 months. I am separating my transports by class, based mainly on endurance. The Allied merchant fleet starts with a capacity of roughly 1,5 million tons and I intend to use all of it. Everything that arrives later as reinforcements will be held as a reserve or to transport troops.

I 'll keep convoy routes to me, but I can tell you my 6 months projection.

Supplies hauled:
NoPac 0,75M
CenPac 0,6M
SoPac 80k
SwPac 1M
SE Asia 1,5M

Fuel hauled:
NoPac 0,45M
CenPac 0,65M
SoPac 70k
SwPac 1M
SE Asia 1,75M

Advice from AFBs is most welcome. Are these values enough for early '42?

Coming late to the party, but I can tell you are someone with experience playing as Japan. The smart Allied player plans his logistics in advance, and makes smart choices about how he husbands his early war transports; however, as someone who has only played the Allies in a number of PBEMs, I have to say, I have never calculated in this great detail the actual amount of supply I am sending in the first year of the war.

The only exception being--you have to pay very close attention to Australia. It might be worth your while (for future reader's benefit as well as yours), to shut down some, or all, of your HI in Australia if you have not already done so and just ship in supply until your capacity to ship fuel increases.

As someone else has commented, as the Allies you literally have infinite supply being generated at the edges of the map, and you have the assets you need to keep Australia supplied. If you leave some of the HI in Australia on, you'll need to be careful that you're shipping enough fuel, otherwise the HI will eat all of the fuel in Australia right under your nose.

Nothing is worse than having shipping stuck in Australian ports because your industry has eaten all the fuel!

Other than that, by in large, even with an intense IJN sub campaign, it's going to be very hard to supply starve the Allies in areas where it wouldn't be starved from to the proximity to IJA LBA or because it's an area where the IJN (and the KB) can operate freely anyway.
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The points made about Australia are valid.

Personally I never turn off the HI, but instead make a concerted effort to get lots of fuel there, using New Zealand as the hub.

If you set up CS convoys from EC to Cristobal you can turn Cristobal into a hub and then run fuel and supply form there to Auckland.

From Auckland I distribute to SoPac and Australia.

The convoys enter due east of Auckland and run along the lower map edge, usually far away from Japanese raiders.

I also set up CS convoys from EC to Capetown and use it as a distribution hub as well, bring fuel to Perth and Melbourne.
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no kidding your CVs weren't well placed to fiddle with Caledonia....well played!
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ORIGINAL: Revthought

Coming late to the party, but I can tell you are someone with experience playing as Japan. The smart Allied player plans his logistics in advance, and makes smart choices about how he husbands his early war transports; however, as someone who has only played the Allies in a number of PBEMs, I have to say, I have never calculated in this great detail the actual amount of supply I am sending in the first year of the war.

The only exception being--you have to pay very close attention to Australia. It might be worth your while (for future reader's benefit as well as yours), to shut down some, or all, of your HI in Australia if you have not already done so and just ship in supply until your capacity to ship fuel increases.

As someone else has commented, as the Allies you literally have infinite supply being generated at the edges of the map, and you have the assets you need to keep Australia supplied. If you leave some of the HI in Australia on, you'll need to be careful that you're shipping enough fuel, otherwise the HI will eat all of the fuel in Australia right under your nose.

Nothing is worse than having shipping stuck in Australian ports because your industry has eaten all the fuel!

Other than that, by in large, even with an intense IJN sub campaign, it's going to be very hard to supply starve the Allies in areas where it wouldn't be starved from to the proximity to IJA LBA or because it's an area where the IJN (and the KB) can operate freely anyway.

I would agree the watch Australia and get all the fuel and supplies you can there early. Also turn off the Heavy Industry in both OZ and New Zealand so your fuel and go to the fleets. In my current game I moved a large amount of supply early to Australia and it was very handy when he landed and I needed to base the heavy bombers there.
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Over 22,000 Japanese troops drown, convoy commander better have gone down with his ship. So a dozen PBs are escort enough for a comnvoy of this size and this import?
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Well done, but Mr Kane has paid for taking a massive risk there.

And why?

If he looks long term, then he's going to be able to put pressure on Burma from two fronts, and there isn't much you can do about that in 42
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If he makes India his entire focus you will have to prepare a "Fortress Karachi" and "Fortress Bombay" defence. Saw that happen in a game about a year or two ago (not the Greyjoy rookie game - another one against an experienced allied player).
But you are hurting him quite badlyfor this stage in the war so I think you can defend the Imphal area for now.
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If he makes India his entire focus you will have to prepare a "Fortress Karachi" and "Fortress Bombay" defence. Saw that happen in a game about a year or two ago (not the Greyjoy rookie game - another one against an experienced allied player).
But you are hurting him quite badly for this stage in the war so I think you can defend the Imphal area for now.

I think I remember that game. I also think of the Greyjoy vs Mr Kane game, which ended with a full scale India invasion by Mr Kane and the capitulation of the Allies in 1942, iirc.


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