Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[orca]

China SAM shelters in the Spratlys
https://amti.csis.org/chinas-sam-shelters-spratlys/

China point defenses in the Spratlys
https://amti.csis.org/chinas-new-spratl ... -defenses/

Can you add a building (small) that is hardened? Mounts/sensors could then be added to these to simulate these structures.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: orca

China SAM shelters in the Spratlys
https://amti.csis.org/chinas-sam-shelters-spratlys/

China point defenses in the Spratlys
https://amti.csis.org/chinas-new-spratl ... -defenses/

Can you add a building (small) that is hardened? Mounts/sensors could then be added to these to simulate these structures.

We have hardened bunkers and if you look under North Korea we have HARTS. I'll add an empty one next time but for now just swap the weapons and sensors.

Thanks

Mike

[Tailhook]

I recently discovered the never purchased but designed Sea Apache from 1989



Per This site

Features:

Weapons - Harpoon, Stinger, Sidewinder, Sidearm, AMRAAM, Penguin, and Hellfire/TOW missiles, as well as 127mm Zuni and 70mm FFAR rockets
The only specifics I saw mentioned were up to 6 Sidewinders in a CAP roll (presumably 2 on the wingtips and then 4 under the wings on twin launchers). They mentioned it would only carry 2 Harpoons/Penguins so I figure that there are only two under wing pylons that could be extrapolated for the other munitions.

Sensors - AN/APG-65. There's another concept photo that looks like it has a retractable EO/IR sensor ball under the belly.



Performance goals specified for the Sea Apache by the Navy include a 200nm mission radius, and a four hour endurance on station. Also includes a probe for aerial refueling.

[Kynth]

RAF Tornado GR.4 (ZA614, EB-Z) with 4 x Storm Shadow cruise missiles and 2 x Sky Shadow DECM pods.

Picture is of a test firing over the Atlantic Ocean.

Date is between 2012 and 2015 as the tail art was in place for the London Olympics, but was restored to grey by the latter date.

[Dysta]

The campaign-based scenario I am making will involve with homeland security forces, especially China and United States. Could you add the Infantry Platoon for Armed Police and National Guard?

Something that involved with sudden, asymmetrical insurgency strikes against player's bases with armed mobs and rebels, but they don't have machine guns, as DB3000 only have for infantry units. So I also suggest to add rifle-based weapons too:

Weapons:
#new - 5.45mm Rifle Burst (3 rnds)
#new - 5.56mm Rifle Burst (3 rnds)
#new - 5.8mm Rifle Burst (3 rnds)
#new - 5.8mm Sniper Shot (Single)
#new - 7.62mm Rifle Burst (3 rnds)
#new - 7.62mm Sniper Shot (Single)
#new - 12.7mm Sniper Shot (Single)
#new - 12GA Shotgun Buckshot (Single)
#new - 12GA Shotgun Birdshot (Single)
#new - 12GA Shotgun Slug (Single)
#new - Incendiary (Portable Ordinance), Fire
#new - C4/Pipe Bomb (Portable Ordinance), Explosive
#new - Anti-personnel Land mine/IED (Portable Ordinance), Explosive
#new - Anti-tank Land mine/IED (Portable Ordinance), Explosive

Unlike MG Burst type weapons, Rifle Burst will make land battle lasts longer and less instantaneously lethal to exchange bullets. The Sniper Shot can immediately kill one 'unit' (weapon mount) with laser-like accuracy, but require long time to aim and fixed position before it fires. Higher caliber can shoot longer range and higher PoH.

Shotgun for infantry can be used as close-range mopping (instantly kill with Buckshot and very short range), defensive ranged attack (with Slug), and limited Anti-Drone (with Birdshot) abilities.

For Portable Ordinances, unit will stand close to the target to trigger fire/damage (immediately or takes time) without hurting itself, simulate the sabotage ability.

And here are some infantry units I suggested for my scenario:

China:
#new - Inf Plt (People's Armed Police) - China (Police Force)
#new - Inf Plt (People's Armed Police, Marksman) - China (Police Force), QBU-88
#new - Inf Sec (People's Armed Police, [7.62mm] Sniper) - China (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (People's Armed Police, [12.7mm] Sniper) - China (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (People's Armed Police, UAV Specialist) - China (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (Special Police Unit) - China (Police Force), 1982
#new - Inf Sec (Snow Leopard Commando) - China (Police Force), QBU-88, 2006
#new - Inf Sec (China SWAT Team) - China (Police Force), 2006
#new - Inf Sec (China SWAT Team, [7.62mm] Sniper) - China (Police Force), 2006
#new - Mech Inf Plt (ZSL-92/WZ551 [Unarmed] APC x 4) - China (Police Force), 1995
#new - Mech Inf Plt (ZSL-92/WZ551 [12.7mm MG] APC x 4) - China (Police Force), 1995
#new - Motor Inf Plt (ZFB-05 [Unarmed] IMV x 4) - China (Police Force), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (ZFB-05 [7.62mm MG] IMV x 4) - China (Police Force), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (ZFB-05 [12.7mm MG] IMV x 4) - China (Police Force), 2008

Marksman means with QBU-88 'Sniper Rifle', all Special Team except SWAT has that.

http://news.china.com/domestic/945/2017 ... 3_all.html (Simplified Chinese)
https://www.zhihu.com/question/37500057 (Simplified Chinese, QBU-10)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Armed_Police
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WZ-551
https://www.google.com.hk/search?q=ZFB-05&ie=&oe=

US:
#new - Inf Plt (National Guard) - United States (National Guard)
#new - Inf Sec (National Guard, [7.62mm] Sniper) - United States (National Guard)
#new - Inf Sec (National Guard, [12.7mm] Sniper) - United States (National Guard)
#new - Inf Sec (National Guard, UAV Specialist) - United States (National Guard)
#new - Inf Sec (US SWAT Team) - United States (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (US SWAT Team, [7.62mm] Sniper) - United States (Police Force)
#new - Motor Inf Plt (MRAP [Unarmed] 4x) - United States (National Guard), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (MRAP [7.62mm MG] IMV x 4) - United States (National Guard), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (MRAP [12.7mm MG] IMV x 4) - United States (National Guard), 2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ted_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP

Generic:
#new - Inf Plt (Militia) - Generic (Army)
#new - Inf Plt (Paramilitary) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (Paramilitary, [7.62mm] Sniper) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (Paramilitary, [12.7mm] Sniper) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (Paramilitary, UAV Specialist) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (SWAT Team) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (SWAT Team, [7.62mm] Sniper) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Motor Inf Plt (Generic IMV [Unarmed] x 4) - Generic (Police Force), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (Generic IMV [7.62mm MG] x 4) - Generic (Police Force), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (Generic IMV [12.7mm MG] x 4) - Generic (Police Force), 2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_mobility_vehicle

Rebels:
#new - Inf Plt (Mobs, Vandalists, Rioters) - Rebels (Rebels), Armed
#new - Inf Plt (Insurrectionists, Anarchists) - Rebels (Rebels), Armed
#new - Inf Plt (Insurrectionists, Anarchists) - Rebels (Rebels), Guerilla, Marksman
#new - Inf Sec (Saboteur) - Rebels (Rebels)
#new - Inf Sec (Saboteur, [7.62mm] Sniper) - Rebels (Rebels)
#new - Inf Sec (Saboteur, [12.7mm] Sniper) - Rebels (Rebels)
#new - Inf Sec (Saboteur, UAV Specialist) - Rebels (Rebels)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrectionary_anarchism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabotage

5.45mm rifles are also widely popular in civilian gun market, as favors for Rebels too.

There should be more vehicles/assets for Police Force type of units, but so far I could use with more variety of platoons and small arms.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Kynth

RAF Tornado GR.4 (ZA614, EB-Z) with 4 x Storm Shadow cruise missiles and 2 x Sky Shadow DECM pods.

Picture is of a test firing over the Atlantic Ocean.

Date is between 2012 and 2015 as the tail art was in place for the London Olympics, but was restored to grey by the latter date.

This looks like a painting. Can somebody verify what I'm seeing?

M

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

The campaign-based scenario I am making will involve with homeland security forces, especially China and United States. Could you add the Infantry Platoon for Armed Police and National Guard?

Something that involved with sudden, asymmetrical insurgency strikes against player's bases with armed mobs and rebels, but they don't have machine guns, as DB3000 only have for infantry units. So I also suggest to add rifle-based weapons too:

Weapons:
#new - 5.45mm Rifle Burst (3 rnds)
#new - 5.56mm Rifle Burst (3 rnds)
#new - 5.8mm Rifle Burst (3 rnds)
#new - 5.8mm Sniper Shot (Single)
#new - 7.62mm Rifle Burst (3 rnds)
#new - 7.62mm Sniper Shot (Single)
#new - 12.7mm Sniper Shot (Single)
#new - 12GA Shotgun Buckshot (Single)
#new - 12GA Shotgun Birdshot (Single)
#new - 12GA Shotgun Slug (Single)
#new - Incendiary (Portable Ordinance), Fire
#new - C4/Pipe Bomb (Portable Ordinance), Explosive
#new - Anti-personnel Land mine/IED (Portable Ordinance), Explosive
#new - Anti-tank Land mine/IED (Portable Ordinance), Explosive

Unlike MG Burst type weapons, Rifle Burst will make land battle lasts longer and less instantaneously lethal to exchange bullets. The Sniper Shot can immediately kill one 'unit' (weapon mount) with laser-like accuracy, but require long time to aim and fixed position before it fires. Higher caliber can shoot longer range and higher PoH.

Shotgun for infantry can be used as close-range mopping (instantly kill with Buckshot and very short range), defensive ranged attack (with Slug), and limited Anti-Drone (with Birdshot) abilities.

For Portable Ordinances, unit will stand close to the target to trigger fire/damage (immediately or takes time) without hurting itself, simulate the sabotage ability.

And here are some infantry units I suggested for my scenario:

China:
#new - Inf Plt (People's Armed Police) - China (Police Force)
#new - Inf Plt (People's Armed Police, Marksman) - China (Police Force), QBU-88
#new - Inf Sec (People's Armed Police, [7.62mm] Sniper) - China (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (People's Armed Police, [12.7mm] Sniper) - China (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (People's Armed Police, UAV Specialist) - China (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (Special Police Unit) - China (Police Force), 1982
#new - Inf Sec (Snow Leopard Commando) - China (Police Force), QBU-88, 2006
#new - Inf Sec (China SWAT Team) - China (Police Force), 2006
#new - Inf Sec (China SWAT Team, [7.62mm] Sniper) - China (Police Force), 2006
#new - Mech Inf Plt (ZSL-92/WZ551 [Unarmed] APC x 4) - China (Police Force), 1995
#new - Mech Inf Plt (ZSL-92/WZ551 [12.7mm MG] APC x 4) - China (Police Force), 1995
#new - Motor Inf Plt (ZFB-05 [Unarmed] IMV x 4) - China (Police Force), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (ZFB-05 [7.62mm MG] IMV x 4) - China (Police Force), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (ZFB-05 [12.7mm MG] IMV x 4) - China (Police Force), 2008

Marksman means with QBU-88 'Sniper Rifle', all Special Team except SWAT has that.

http://news.china.com/domestic/945/2017 ... 3_all.html (Simplified Chinese)
https://www.zhihu.com/question/37500057 (Simplified Chinese, QBU-10)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Armed_Police
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WZ-551
https://www.google.com.hk/search?q=ZFB-05&ie=&oe=

US:
#new - Inf Plt (National Guard) - United States (National Guard)
#new - Inf Sec (National Guard, [7.62mm] Sniper) - United States (National Guard)
#new - Inf Sec (National Guard, [12.7mm] Sniper) - United States (National Guard)
#new - Inf Sec (National Guard, UAV Specialist) - United States (National Guard)
#new - Inf Sec (US SWAT Team) - United States (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (US SWAT Team, [7.62mm] Sniper) - United States (Police Force)
#new - Motor Inf Plt (MRAP [Unarmed] 4x) - United States (National Guard), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (MRAP [7.62mm MG] IMV x 4) - United States (National Guard), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (MRAP [12.7mm MG] IMV x 4) - United States (National Guard), 2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ted_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP

Generic:
#new - Inf Plt (Militia) - Generic (Army)
#new - Inf Plt (Paramilitary) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (Paramilitary, [7.62mm] Sniper) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (Paramilitary, [12.7mm] Sniper) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (Paramilitary, UAV Specialist) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (SWAT Team) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Inf Sec (SWAT Team, [7.62mm] Sniper) - Generic (Police Force)
#new - Motor Inf Plt (Generic IMV [Unarmed] x 4) - Generic (Police Force), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (Generic IMV [7.62mm MG] x 4) - Generic (Police Force), 2008
#new - Motor Inf Plt (Generic IMV [12.7mm MG] x 4) - Generic (Police Force), 2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_mobility_vehicle

Rebels:
#new - Inf Plt (Mobs, Vandalists, Rioters) - Rebels (Rebels), Armed
#new - Inf Plt (Insurrectionists, Anarchists) - Rebels (Rebels), Armed
#new - Inf Plt (Insurrectionists, Anarchists) - Rebels (Rebels), Guerilla, Marksman
#new - Inf Sec (Saboteur) - Rebels (Rebels)
#new - Inf Sec (Saboteur, [7.62mm] Sniper) - Rebels (Rebels)
#new - Inf Sec (Saboteur, [12.7mm] Sniper) - Rebels (Rebels)
#new - Inf Sec (Saboteur, UAV Specialist) - Rebels (Rebels)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrectionary_anarchism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabotage

5.45mm rifles are also widely popular in civilian gun market, as favors for Rebels too.

There should be more vehicles/assets for Police Force type of units, but so far I could use with more variety of platoons and small arms.

Sorry to say we're not really ready to take on something like this yet although its cool you want to model this. I would suggest just modifying an existing inf unit and using the clone button to copy your changes.

Thanks!

Mike

[Kynth]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

This looks like a painting. Can somebody verify what I'm seeing?

M

It is quite vivid with a lot of contrast. Turns out it was a cropped image.

Located the original larger photo as well as the official RAF source:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/photo-of-the-year ... er-lining/

Official source confirms it was taken on 15th October 2014:

"On the 15th Oct 2014 a 41 Squadron (the RAF's test and evaluation Squadron) Tornado took to the skies to test-fire four Storm Shadow missiles over the Atlantic Ocean.

Photo taken by Senior Aircraftman Mark Parkinson, who is a RAF Photographer currently based at RAF Leeming."

Added this loadout to UK Tornadoes.

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Sorry to say we're not really ready to take on something like this yet although its cool you want to model this. I would suggest just modifying an existing inf unit and using the clone button to copy your changes.

Thanks!

Mike

No worry, this may take time to rename and add mounts from current infs, but I am cool.

[Filitch]

SAP-14 (#2840) and SAP-518 (#2839) OECM Pods at the Su-34
https://vk.com/bolshayaigra_war?w=wall-104764077_15723
The first image is a screenshot from the video: https://youtu.be/HNdlDe3VG98?t=43

Please note that at 2:55 this AC is without ventral and wingtip pods.

[Dysta]

DB3000 have AR-1, but no AR-2 mini-AGM.

http://www.janes.com/article/67527/chin ... ays-report
http://www.defencetalk.com/china-unveil ... les-69011/

Weighing about 20 kg and carrying a 5 kg warhead, the AR-2 has a maximum range of 8 km and a top speed of 735 km/h, the missile's designers told China Daily.

Jane's reported at the time that the CH-5 displayed at the exhibition featured a quad-pack of 20 kg-class AR-2 SAL guided anti-armour missiles on the inboard pylon

Added missile, weapons records and loadouts to Chinese UAV, will wait on UAE, Saudi etc until see pictures

[Hongjian]

Pterodactylus-II UAV also has completed its maiden flight. The first customer is probably Saudi Arabia or the UAE, who have placed "a huge order" on that drone. The AR-2 would probably be this drone's mainstay weapon due to its increased payload.

[Vici Supreme]

Sea Skua will go out of service at the end of March 2017, coincident with the retirement of the Lynx HMA.8 from RN service.

http://www.janes.com/article/68338/rn-c ... eas-firing

Added out of service date for Lynx HAS.8 to 2018. No Skua loadouts for Wildcats so think we're good.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: orca

China SAM shelters in the Spratlys
https://amti.csis.org/chinas-sam-shelters-spratlys/

China point defenses in the Spratlys
https://amti.csis.org/chinas-new-spratl ... -defenses/

Can you add a building (small) that is hardened? Mounts/sensors could then be added to these to simulate these structures.

We have hardened bunkers and if you look under North Korea we have HARTS. I'll add an empty one next time but for now just swap the weapons and sensors.

Thanks

Mike

Hardened Surface Ammo shelters would work great. Just Add mounts/sensors.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

MMW-radar equipped Z-19 finally in service.

We have seen prototypes before, but this one has an "LHXXXX" tailnumber, which indicates it is in active service with an army aviation regiment.

Need more info on radar. Likely Longbow copy?

[Hongjian]

No information about the range, but the capabilities include SAR, ISAR, Doppler Beam Sharpening. And it is used for fire-control to guide precision missiles.
The radar is an AESA. And the text also says it is a two-faced AESA

Placard also says that it is capable of "long range surface/ground search".





EDIT:

It seems that the Longbow Radar looks like this:



So, I'd say not a copy.
Though indeed similiar in function.

I wonder if the Chinese MMW radar has better range or something...

[Dysta]

The APG-78 isn't just a radar for helicopter itself, it has intergraded with Link-16 for provide some targeting solutions to nearby weapon systems.

The Chinese Z-19 has FCR first instead of the Z-10, I think that is because it is just a light-armed recon helicopter, the data-linked radar will help Z-10 and other ground units for guided missile striking, without exposing all of them because of the emission.

I think AESA is expected, given the fact that most of the west-based Army Conveys are usually installed with jammers. But I wouldn't expect much of superiority compare to APG-78, since it's powered by much weaker engines.

[Hongjian]

One of the reason why the Z-19 has the MMW radar is because the Z-9 had it first. Z-19 is based on the Z-9. The Z-10 will get MMW radar capability somewhere later, but for now, the Z-19 is the more mature platform.

And indeed, China still has to show a MMW-guided ATGM to go with the MMW radar that would enable true F&F capability. But I dont think that China would accept a Longbow-styled radar without the datalinking capability.

[KLAB]

Myanmar Naval vessels. Help please?

I am steadily working through the images for the Myanmar vessels and will submit post in due course, interesting and a lot of mis-information.

Looks like Myanmar does have SA-24's Igla-S for information.

Has anyone got any idea of what the sensors are on either side of the bridge or the radar fit please?

This is F-772 from a September 2016 Facebook post and the "Igla" launcher has been removed and the 76mm has a new faceted cupola.

Regards and thanks

K

ORIGINAL: AlGrant


Whilst looking at some Indian Ocean scenarios I found that the Myanmar Navy has some fairly recent, but significant units missing from the DB.
Some of the missing units are Chinese imports and therefore easily added, however Myanmar has produced an number of indigenous missile armed frigate & corvette units.
Many of these are well armed and include stealth features.



I've included some links but still looking for further info.
Note: The Shipbucket links- Not sure on the source of this guys info but he seems to have done his homework and line drawings included.
His list of sensors/weapons etc seem to match other sources I've found scattered around


Myanmar (Burmese) Navy indigenous units:

Frigates:
Kyan Sittha Class - Currently 2 (F12 - Kyansittha & F14 - Sinbyushin )
8 x C-802 anti-ship missiles
1× Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid Cannons
3 x NG-18 6-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns
6 x turret-mounted Igla SAM
ASW torpedoes
Rocket Launchers, possibly ASW rockets or decoy rockets

http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=ums-kyan-sittha-f12-frigate-myanmar
http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/sin-phyu-shin-newest-burmese-built.html
http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5475&start=40#p129640
http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5475&start=40#p129640

Aung Zeya Class - Currenly 1 (F11 - Aung Zeya, F13 'in build' ?)
8 x Kh-35E anti-ship missiles
1× Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid Cannons
4 x AK-630 6-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns
6 × SA-N-5 SAM
Triple 324 mm YU-7 ASW torpedoes
Rocket Launchers, possibly ASW rockets or decoy rockets
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/myanmar/ums-aung-zeya.htm
https://defence.pk/threads/new-stealth- ... vy.307055/[/link]
http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5475&start=30

Corvette (Missile)
Anawratha Class Currently 3 (771 - UMS Anawratha, 772 - UMS Bayinnaung, 773 - UMS Tabinshwehti)
*773 having 'stealth' modifications superstructure.
4 × C-802 Surface-to-Surface Missile
1 × Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid Cannons
1 × Type 69/AK-230 twin-barrel 30 mm CIWS gun
2 × Type 58/ZPU 2 Anti-aircraft Gun
6 × SA-N-5 SAM
2 × RBU-1200 or Type 81 ASW rocket launchers
1 helipad
http://www.janes.com/article/66579/myanmar-navy-commissions-first-corvette-with-reduced-rcs
http://www.defencebd.com/2014/11/myanmar-navy-launches-stealth-corvette.html


Fast Attack Craft (Missile)
'Stealth Corvette' (class name unknown - 49 meter FAC-M ??). Currently 2 ( 491 & 492 .... 10 planned )
4 x C-802A anti-ship missile
1 × AK-630 six-barrel 30 mm CIWS gun
4 × SA-N-5 SAM
http://www.defencebd.com/2014/05/myanmarr-navy-fac-491-492.html

'5 Series' - Currently 10 (more under construction - est total of 20)
3 Batches - Batch I = Gun Batch II = Missile (802) Batch III (802A)
Hull numbers - 556 - 560
4 × C-802 Surface-to-Surface Missile
2 × 30 mm AK 230
2 × Type 69 14.5 mm twin Anti-Aircraft Guns
6 × SA-N-5 SAM


Hull Numbers - 561 - 570
2 x C-802A Surface to Surface Anti-ship Missile
2 × 30 mm AK 230
2 × Type 69 14.5 mm twin Anti-Aircraft Guns
6 × SA-N-5 SAM
http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5475&start=20#p127244


Fast 'Stealth' Torpedo Boat
'Stealth' Torpedo Boat - T201
8 x Torpedo (chinese or russian?)
http://defense-studies.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/myanmar-inducts-first-of-new-torpedo.html
http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/burma-navys-very-first-torpedo-boat-t201.html


Apart from their own indigenous shipbuilding program & adding Chinese ASM's to just about anything that floats, Myanmar has been seeking (or at least talking about) purchasing submarines, but as far as I know there isn't anything currently in the pipeline.

Not only do they have the weapons available they've been practising using them (OTHT ASM)

http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/light-frigate-anawyahtar-771-test-fired.html
http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/burma-navys-combined-fleet-exercise-sea.html

Given the weapons and the geographic region (China's 'string of pearls') I think these are worth adding at some point (of course I'd say that as I'm building a scenario that can use them [;)] )

Added most of these. Decided to go with both SA-N-5 mounts and DPRK SA-16 Sextuplet mounts. Very little is known about all of these platforms but did my best. Will continue to update as more info becomes available.

[Usili]

So I noticed this recently after reading and finishing the book Running Critical and looking at CMANO. The maximum depth of the 688s is off. While the maximum depth of the 688s in CMANO is addressed as up to... 1478 feet or so (I think?), in reality because of the compromises that had to be done to give it the speed it needed, it could only go down to 950 feet. Here is the source from the book in question:


“Moorer's deputy charged the panel members with justifying the “total employment” of a high speed submarine in the U.S. fleet and demonstrating in as many ways as possible how vital high speed was to every aspect of a submarine's mission. The members, however, soon made the disturbing discovery that Johnny Foster was right. Rickover's high-speed prototype was going to have trouble breaking thirty knots – even with its increased horsepower – because it would have ot be a much heavier submarine to accommodate the larger propulsion plant. The S6G reactor compartment weighed in at 1,050 tons compared to the 650-ton compartment in the current fleet. That was a lot of extra weight, and the ship was going to be sixty feet longer to balance out the weight in the engine room. The first big task of the panel was to look for excess baggage they could cut out of the ship to make her lighter. They considered taking out the auxiliary diesel and the extra air-conditioning unit Rickover had insisted on carrying over the years, but Rickover sent word that these back-ups systems were not negotiable.

“That left only one place where they could get the kind of weight reduction they needed: the hull itself.

“And so a panel of seven submarine commanders made the fundamental and fateful compromise that would haunt the 688 class until the end of the century. They gave up what U.S. submarines had had since 1961 – the ability to dive to thirteen hundred feet, the ability to run silent below the deep thermal cline where sonar beams could not penetrate and to head for the bottom to let the ocean absorb the impact of an enemy weapon.

“By shaving the thickness of the hull, the panel members got most of the weight savings they were after, but they substantially narrowed the band of ocean in which the submarine could operate – to no deeper than nine hundred and fifty feet. It was less than three times the length of the submarine. Not a lot of ocean to work with, and in the holy trinity of speed, stealth, and depth, the submarine commanders had sacrificed one important attribute to acquire another.”-Tyler, Patrick. Running Critical: The Silent War, Rickover, and General Dynamics. p65-66


Adjusted to -300 Meters