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The evaporation rate has a lot to do with how much surface area is exposed regardless of what the subject is. One square centimeter would take an exceptionally long time at room temperature (`70F). The surface area in the plastic tub in the demonstration is considerably more than one square centimeter.

And regardless of, 'don't do this at home', you know how rampant stupidity is in the world.[:D]

Even before the advent of Youtube people did stupid things. A friend and a friend of his decided they would make an explosive. I think gunpowder. They gathered the ingredients and while the friend of a friend was mixing some ingredients together they exploded in a pestle he was holding. So, the friend of a friend has the honor of only one hand and a badly scared neck, chest and arms. It almost killed him.

So I do have reason to take exception when a knowledgeable individual shows stupid people how to do dangerous things. [;)]

Mercury isn't difficult to come by if you have an account with a supplier, but it's expensive. I dread to think how much that lot cost.

When the evaporation rate is negligibly small then the total amount in the atmosphere remains essentially zero, however much mercury is there and however long it is present.

When they tore up the original wooden block floor in one of the labs I used to work in, they found quite a large pool of mercury underneath which had obviously dripped through the gaps between the blocks sometime in the past. I'm sure it wasn't spilled during my time there so it must have been there for many years. But as it doesn't evaporate at room temperature, no problem. I just cleaned it up for the worried building contractors. [:)]

If you are still worried about him breathing in any harmful vapor that might magically have escaped into the atmosphere, well he was working in the open air, not in a confined space.

But it DOES evaporate at room temperature. [:D]
One square centimeter would take somewhere in the neighborhood of 8200 hours to evaporate. That's a one square centimeter globule. At room temperature. That's about a year. It's prolonged exposure that becomes a problem. Being in a class where you spend maybe four hours maximum for a handful of days a week for a few months, even if you are the prof, wouldn't be a problem. If you lived there for years and there was mercury present the whole time then you might have health issues.

This is how it happens:

In 1989, several pounds of liquid mercury spilled in a child's bedroom. The mercury was not cleaned up sufficiently. He and his two sisters continued to be exposed to high levels of evaporating mercury for a prolonged period, and they suffered serious health consequences. (Source: CDC.gov)

Stupid people do stupid things. Someone will try to do this very same thing without any knowledge of what they are doing. You can take that to the bank. [;)]

Where did you come by the information to calculate the time it takes to evaporate? The Material Safety Data Sheet states that no information is available for the Evaporation Rate. (Section 9 - Physical and Chemical properties). That means that even Fisher Scientific couldn't make that calculation.

https://www.fishersci.com/store/msds?pa ... anguage=en

It's tragic about the kids of course, but you can't take a domestic bedroom situation where the kids may be playing with spilled mercury, even putting it in their mouths because their parents don't know the hazards involved, and compare it with a laboratory spill or a You Tube demonstration where the people involved have the professional knowledge to know how much respect they have to give chemicals without going over the top.
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I didn't know that mercury has such a high density. Learned something useless. [:D]
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Mercury has a density over 13 times that of water. Think of drilling a hole in the center of bullet, putting a drop of mercury in it, then capping the hole with lead. That is in the book The Day of the Jackal.
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Mercury is one of the most studied pollutants on the planet because it is one of the most common and toxic pollutants. It's everywhere which is why there is so much information on it. If you eat seafood you eat mercury. Even a normal everyday household can have at least one source. Maybe more depending on barometers, thermometers, lighting and other devices. I suspect the evaporation rate in the piece I copied did not account for the diminishing size of the mercury glob as it evaporated. My brother in law bought a wooden crate of stuff from a liquidator and in that crate were several vials of mercury. At least three liters. Glass vials in a wooden case with each having it's own secure space. Imagine if any had broken? Don't know how he disposed of them. Probably sold them since he had connections everywhere.

It does take a long time to evaporate. That merely means it's somewhat like radiation I guess. [:D]

For me it's bothersome to see someone use it in such a cavalier fashion especially considering there is no control over the viewing audience.

This is from only one page after a simple search:

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I found this statement in a paper about Hg contamination from dental work:

The evaporation rate of elemental mercury at room temperature (20 ∘C) is approximately 50 μgcm−2h−1 (range of 40−60 μgcm−2h−1).

They cited the following work as a source for that number:

Gary N. Bigham, Wanyu R. Chan, Manuel Dekermenjian, Ali Reza, "Indoor Concentrations of Hg Vapor Following Various Spill Scenarios," Environmental Forensics 2008, 9(2-3), 187-196 (https://doi.org/10.1080/15275920802121975)

German regulations (as an example) say that 0.035 µg/l of metallic mercury vapour in air pose no risk under lifelong exposition, and 0.35µg/l can be harmful under long (months?) exposition for some people. The math is full of imponderables, esp. the actual amount that was spilled and size of drops.

Swiss officials https://www.toxinfo.ch/quecksilberhalti ... hermometer say that a single broken fever thermometer can lead to intoxications, but the risk can usually be averted by collecting as much as possible and ensuring proper, regular ventilation.

The following publication suggests that a properly cleaned up spill from a fever thermometer should become undetectable within several weeks, but the airborne Hg concentration can be significant in that time, and regular ventilation is highly recommendable.

E. Martin Caravati et al. Elemental mercury exposure: An evidence-based consensus guideline for out-of-hospital management, Clinical Toxicology 2008, 46:1, 1-21, https://doi.org/10.1080/15563650701664731

But one thing is quite clear: A single, large blob that you miss (under furniture, wooden floorboard etc.) can stay for a very long time, and lead to potentially harmful concentrations in the air. There are a lot of reports about little mercury puddles that were found under floorboards during laboratory renovations, even decades after the last mercury instrument had been thrown out.
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That was not liquid metal mercury, that is the compound that causes problems with eating too many high level predatory piscines.
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A lot of this is not really relevant to the original topic. Compounds of mercury are not metalic mercury and some can be very much more toxic and some less toxic but you are unlikely to come across the really hazardous ones in everyday life. The same goes for other toxic metals.

If you are worried about how to deal with spilled mercury from a broken thermometer, which is as much as you are ever likely to have to deal with at home, then scoop it up using a teaspoon (push the small globes on using a knife if necessary) and put it into a screw top jar, preferably a plastic one. The vapour won't escape from that. Then dust the area of the spill with flowers of sulfur. I don't know if high street chemists still sell that, but Amazon certainly does. Leave it for at least 24 hours to convert any remaining mercury to mercuric sulphide which is safe. Then hoover up the powder and dispose of it in the normal way.
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Curious if mercury can be use in the military, imagine using this idea make a ship or floating platform that is nearly undestructible, like a floating island that can move around on water. But still gotta find a way to keep all that mercury in the same place.
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Today I am more worried about the long term effect of plastic pollutants in the environment than I am of mercury, certainly not from this guy.

Don’t get me wrong, I am both conscious of the environment, health and safety - BUT we are so judgmental when somebody goes back to the basics of experimentation. This was a pretty nice experiment and because of its basic presentation all the more powerful and easy to understand. You don’t need a lab to be interested in science, you don’t need a degree. People are curious, triggering that curiosity is something positive. Responsible behavior is subjective - as long as we are not talking about laws and regulations - but within that bandwidth give people some slack. We did not get where we are by always playing safe. People are curious creatures, lets keep it that way.

Curiosity and freedom go hand in hand, as long as you don’t physically endanger or hurt someone else (or the environment) it should not be curbed.

Thanks for sharing the video.

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There are creatures that eat plastic bags for food. In fact, you can usually buy them fairly easily. There are bacteria that eat petroleum for food. If the mercury can combine with Sulpher, then it is rendered inert.

I have previously seen a granite rock floating on mercury that was in a beaker.
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