Great Conservatoire Air et Space d'Aquitaine (CAEA) site on French aircrafts:
https://www.caea.info/en/la-collection/ ... rage-iii-e
Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
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Broncepulido
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Jorge_Stanbury
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary> Peruvian Su-22M-3K Fitter J (1983) should include AA-2c Advanced Atoll (R-13M) in the weapon loadout </summary>
<detail> Peru purchased 16 Su-22M in the early 1980s. According to open sources, these were equipped with "advanced atolls", the mid 1970s version of AA-2. In the DB3000 database, it is only showing AA-2a, the much earlier 1960s version.
Peru purchased these 16 planes specifically as fighter-bombers, to provide AA coverage to an earlier (1977) purchase of 32 Su-20 attack planes (these were incapable of carrying AA missiles).
It wouldn't had made much sense to purchase, in 1980, an older, non-dogfighting capable version of the Atoll missile to equip one of your main fighter platforms.</detail>
<evidence>
I don't have hard evidence, just some webpages where it is stated that Peru got "advanced atolls". Therefore it might be better to add R-13 as another weapon loadout option, without eliminating the older AA-2a
https://www.laahs.com/the-sukhoi-su-22- ... n-service/
http://geocities.ws/aviacionperucenepa/ ... Su-22.html
</evidence>
<summary> Peruvian Su-22M-3K Fitter J (1983) should include AA-2c Advanced Atoll (R-13M) in the weapon loadout </summary>
<detail> Peru purchased 16 Su-22M in the early 1980s. According to open sources, these were equipped with "advanced atolls", the mid 1970s version of AA-2. In the DB3000 database, it is only showing AA-2a, the much earlier 1960s version.
Peru purchased these 16 planes specifically as fighter-bombers, to provide AA coverage to an earlier (1977) purchase of 32 Su-20 attack planes (these were incapable of carrying AA missiles).
It wouldn't had made much sense to purchase, in 1980, an older, non-dogfighting capable version of the Atoll missile to equip one of your main fighter platforms.</detail>
<evidence>
I don't have hard evidence, just some webpages where it is stated that Peru got "advanced atolls". Therefore it might be better to add R-13 as another weapon loadout option, without eliminating the older AA-2a
https://www.laahs.com/the-sukhoi-su-22- ... n-service/
http://geocities.ws/aviacionperucenepa/ ... Su-22.html
</evidence>
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evutr4EWgAA ... ame=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evutp96XMAw ... ame=medium
Algerian Yak-130 weapons on display,
Usual S-8 and S-13 rocket packs,
OFAB-100
FAB-100
M-62 and M-54 250kg bombs.
SNPU-130 pod twin 23mm gun - Gsh-23-2 gun pod.
R-73.
Also appears part of the captive training head of the KAB-500Kr on the centre trolley behind the gun pod.
For consideration
K
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evutp96XMAw ... ame=medium
Algerian Yak-130 weapons on display,
Usual S-8 and S-13 rocket packs,
OFAB-100
FAB-100
M-62 and M-54 250kg bombs.
SNPU-130 pod twin 23mm gun - Gsh-23-2 gun pod.
R-73.
Also appears part of the captive training head of the KAB-500Kr on the centre trolley behind the gun pod.
For consideration
K
ORIGINAL: KLAB
https://twitter.com/ShepherdClavis/stat ... 27680?s=20
Myanmar is using its Yak-130 in a ground attack role.
ORIGINAL: KLAB
Some ideas on Yak-130's in the long term:
For consideration as the Mitten seems to be doing quite well on the exports front especially with countries likely to use them for dropping stuff:
#3952 - Yak-130 Mitten (Russia [1992-] - 2010)
Almost certainly doesn't have the Oca radar it currently has in the DB3k-483
The images from the VKS RuAF all show the basic non radar version in service primarily as an advance trainer.
The radar equipped version is a concept light fighter and attack aircraft which is not in service or production. Dubbed the Yakovlev Yak-131.
It is also doubtful if the KAB-500Kr is a weapon the Yak-130 is used with in VKS/RuAF service even if it is capable of it, that's my opinion based on the lack of operational aircraft seen with the weapon.
The FAB-250/500 OFAB RBK dumb bombs e.t.c and S-13/S-8 e.t.c rocket loads are generically suitable for all the exported Yaks as below:
Plus Yak-130's can use the SNPU-130 pod twin 23mm gun pack on the centreline and several of the exported ones have been seen with it.
So the GSh-23L 23 mm automatic cannon - #1800 - 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]could be added to the load outs.
#3953 - Yak-130 Mitten (Algeria - 2015) (And was probably in service in about 2012 as the first deliveries were in November 2011)
Algerian Yak's certainly have air to ground weaponry, have flare and chaff dispensers and a SNPU-130 pod 23mm gun pack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU6N41jrwHg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/karim23185/7432828140/
https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2011/11/29/648/?h
Plus the (non radar equipped) Yak-130 with air to ground weaponry would be a useful addition for the following, almost all the images show the aircraft with pylons and for these air forces I doubt they have the luxury of jets just for training:
Belarus. Has at least 8 and counting since 2015.
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9078441
https://defence-blog.com/news/belarus-r ... craft.html.
Bangladesh. The BAF did have 16 but now has 15,they entered service in 2015.
https://defpost.com/bangladesh-air-forc ... r-crashes/
Laos. Has at least 4. "The aircraft arrived at the Vientiane air force station aboard Russian Il-76TD strategic airlifters in December 2018"
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... t-trainers
Mynamar.
https://asian-defence-news.blogspot.com ... 0.html?m=0
http://airsoc.com/articles/view/id/5dee ... us-weapons
The number of Yak 130 ordered by Myanmar is not known, the initial contract for the first 3 units was signed in June 2015.
Vietnam Latest customer with 12 for Vietnam, contract signed in 2020.
https://www.meta-defense.fr/en/2020/01/ ... om-moscow/ .
https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/artic ... zaklyuchil
https://youtu.be/MUHFVPE_wBE
Thanks very much for the latest updates and patience with the relentless requests and amendments.
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Jorge_Stanbury
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary> Libya needs a missile capable Su-22 for "Gulf of Sidra" 1981 incident</summary>
<detail> In DB3000 database, Libya has the following Su-20/ 22 available for a possible 1981 scenario against USN:
Su-20M Fitter D (1980)
Su-22M Fitter F (1981)
neither is AA capable, but as we all know, in Aug. 19, 1981 during the "Gulf of Sidra incident", a Libyan Su-22 fired an AA-2 "Atoll" against a USN F-14s (and paid the consequences soon afterwards)
so either one of these models (or both) should include AA missiles
another option: change the date of either:
Su-22M-2K Fitter H (1982) or
Su-22M-3K Fitter J (1982)
to 1981
As per the missiles: R-3S and R-13M were available, according to "War is Boring" webpage:
"Sukhoi Su-22 and Su-22M fighter-bombers armed with R-3S and R-13M air-to-air missiles — NATO code name AA-22 Atoll — scrambled"
(...)
Moment later, he fired one R-13M missile that, he claimed, destroyed the lead F-14.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://warisboring.com/the-libyans-des ... -u-s-navy/
</evidence>
<summary> Libya needs a missile capable Su-22 for "Gulf of Sidra" 1981 incident</summary>
<detail> In DB3000 database, Libya has the following Su-20/ 22 available for a possible 1981 scenario against USN:
Su-20M Fitter D (1980)
Su-22M Fitter F (1981)
neither is AA capable, but as we all know, in Aug. 19, 1981 during the "Gulf of Sidra incident", a Libyan Su-22 fired an AA-2 "Atoll" against a USN F-14s (and paid the consequences soon afterwards)
so either one of these models (or both) should include AA missiles
another option: change the date of either:
Su-22M-2K Fitter H (1982) or
Su-22M-3K Fitter J (1982)
to 1981
As per the missiles: R-3S and R-13M were available, according to "War is Boring" webpage:
"Sukhoi Su-22 and Su-22M fighter-bombers armed with R-3S and R-13M air-to-air missiles — NATO code name AA-22 Atoll — scrambled"
(...)
Moment later, he fired one R-13M missile that, he claimed, destroyed the lead F-14.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://warisboring.com/the-libyans-des ... -u-s-navy/
</evidence>
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add Russian 48Ya6-K1 Podlet-K1 Mobile Radar. 2015</summary>
<detail>More recent data. These are common in Russian orbats now. .</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.defenceturk.net/rusya-nebo- ... landirildi
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/48%D0%AF6 ... 1%82%C2%BB
https://maps.southfront.org/advanced-lo ... m-airbase/
https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/ ... 40.en.html
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2020/ ... elyabinsk/
https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewt ... &start=840
https://en.topwar.ru/159952-opublikovan ... ejmim.html
http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Ba ... Syria.html
https://www.deagel.com/Sensor%20Systems ... K1/a003662
https://twitter.com/Lorkeske/status/1263500157750034432
https://twitter.com/Lorkeske/status/122 ... 00/photo/1
</evidence>
<summary>Add Russian 48Ya6-K1 Podlet-K1 Mobile Radar. 2015</summary>
<detail>More recent data. These are common in Russian orbats now. .</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.defenceturk.net/rusya-nebo- ... landirildi
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/48%D0%AF6 ... 1%82%C2%BB
https://maps.southfront.org/advanced-lo ... m-airbase/
https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/ ... 40.en.html
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2020/ ... elyabinsk/
https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewt ... &start=840
https://en.topwar.ru/159952-opublikovan ... ejmim.html
http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Ba ... Syria.html
https://www.deagel.com/Sensor%20Systems ... K1/a003662
https://twitter.com/Lorkeske/status/1263500157750034432
https://twitter.com/Lorkeske/status/122 ... 00/photo/1
</evidence>
Don't call it a comeback...
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DetlefKroeze
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add the ability to target Mobile Units (Hard) to PrSM Spiral 1, 2, and 3 500kg warhead variants. Also, add the ability to target Land Structures (Hard) to the Spiral 2, and 3 variants.</summary>
<detail>The standard PrSM 500kg version can target both hard and soft mobile units and land structures, while follow on versions lack that capability, with Spiral 1 not being able to target Hard Mobile Units, and Spirals 2 and 3 not being able to target Hard Land Structures on top of that.. It would make sense to bring them in line with each other</detail>
<summary>Add the ability to target Mobile Units (Hard) to PrSM Spiral 1, 2, and 3 500kg warhead variants. Also, add the ability to target Land Structures (Hard) to the Spiral 2, and 3 variants.</summary>
<detail>The standard PrSM 500kg version can target both hard and soft mobile units and land structures, while follow on versions lack that capability, with Spiral 1 not being able to target Hard Mobile Units, and Spirals 2 and 3 not being able to target Hard Land Structures on top of that.. It would make sense to bring them in line with each other</detail>
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>Update</type>
<summary>Correct M88 engine for all the Rafales because it's turbofan not turbojet</summary>
<detail>The Propulsion category for all the Rafales says that M88 is turbojet</detail>
<summary>Correct M88 engine for all the Rafales because it's turbofan not turbojet</summary>
<detail>The Propulsion category for all the Rafales says that M88 is turbojet</detail>
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StrongHarm
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>Update</type>
<summary>Could you change helo mounted weapons to have valid target helo? At the very least I was trying to simulate Apache vs Hind:</summary>
<detail>
INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('2001','1002');
INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('28','1002');
INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('1042','1002');
</detail>
<summary>Could you change helo mounted weapons to have valid target helo? At the very least I was trying to simulate Apache vs Hind:</summary>
<detail>
INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('2001','1002');
INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('28','1002');
INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('1042','1002');
</detail>
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tylerblakebrandon
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
I posted this as a feature request sometime back as it seems like it would affect a broad group of missiles and a doctrine setting option similar to the "use SAMs in ASuW mode" but for AAMs would be the easiest solution. But I'm going to post here as maybe it will get more traffic.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.a ... e�
From the evidence it looks like at least some air to air missiles should be able to be used against ground and surface targets either intentionally through design or it was discovered through some unintentional means.
"I remembered this interview with a Brit Phantom driver who mentioned practicing with the Sparrow as an ASuW weapon off Vieques with the USN. He referred as well to the friendly fire incident when the USAF hit HMAS Hobart and USS Boston. Which I believe is also what Clancy was referring to in RSR when the F-15s said they were out of missiles when they strafed the Fucik. Plus the A2G abilities of AIM-9X and IRIS-T.
I was thinking about how this could be implemented in Command. The F-102 with A2G Falcons is in the CWDB as a specialized mod aircraft. Rather than make numerous specialty mod units or loadouts I was thinking that a WRA flag of "use AAMs in ASuW role" could be added and when checked any missiles with the capability could be employed against ground or surface targets."
https://hushkit-net.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... h-style%2F
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Boston_(CA-69)
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... ge-missile
http://www.janes.com/article/66304/dieh ... iris-t-aam
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.a ... e�
From the evidence it looks like at least some air to air missiles should be able to be used against ground and surface targets either intentionally through design or it was discovered through some unintentional means.
"I remembered this interview with a Brit Phantom driver who mentioned practicing with the Sparrow as an ASuW weapon off Vieques with the USN. He referred as well to the friendly fire incident when the USAF hit HMAS Hobart and USS Boston. Which I believe is also what Clancy was referring to in RSR when the F-15s said they were out of missiles when they strafed the Fucik. Plus the A2G abilities of AIM-9X and IRIS-T.
I was thinking about how this could be implemented in Command. The F-102 with A2G Falcons is in the CWDB as a specialized mod aircraft. Rather than make numerous specialty mod units or loadouts I was thinking that a WRA flag of "use AAMs in ASuW role" could be added and when checked any missiles with the capability could be employed against ground or surface targets."
https://hushkit-net.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... h-style%2F
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Boston_(CA-69)
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... ge-missile
http://www.janes.com/article/66304/dieh ... iris-t-aam
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tylerblakebrandon
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>Add</type>
<summary>Specialized Marine Craft Type-II - Singapore (Navy)</summary>
<detail>Fast LO patrol/SOF craft</detail>
<evidence>
http://www.hisutton.com/Special%20Opera ... ified.html
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... submarine/
<evidence>
<summary>Specialized Marine Craft Type-II - Singapore (Navy)</summary>
<detail>Fast LO patrol/SOF craft</detail>
<evidence>
http://www.hisutton.com/Special%20Opera ... ified.html
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... submarine/
<evidence>
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tylerblakebrandon
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Add anti-air capabilities to Hellfire missile</summary>
<detail>Apparently they can target aerial threats and that dual use capability seems to be part of the reason it is used on the M-SHORAD. Seems the Israelis have downed a Lebanese Cessna and an Iranian UAV.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.army-technology.com/project ... i-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast ... s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html
<evidence>
https://www.army-technology.com/project ... i-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast ... s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html
<summary>Add anti-air capabilities to Hellfire missile</summary>
<detail>Apparently they can target aerial threats and that dual use capability seems to be part of the reason it is used on the M-SHORAD. Seems the Israelis have downed a Lebanese Cessna and an Iranian UAV.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.army-technology.com/project ... i-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast ... s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html
<evidence>
https://www.army-technology.com/project ... i-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast ... s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Facility, Generic, Wind Turbine, #887</summary>
<detail>Kindly request to make it possible to initiate them in water, or have a new DB entry for wind turbines in water. Wanna make some of the fields with those in sea, generating false radar echoes.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/191734/e ... edkoper039
http://www.windmolensopzee.nl/
https://wonderfulengineering.com/38-hig ... the-world/
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
<summary>DB3K489, Facility, Generic, Wind Turbine, #887</summary>
<detail>Kindly request to make it possible to initiate them in water, or have a new DB entry for wind turbines in water. Wanna make some of the fields with those in sea, generating false radar echoes.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/191734/e ... edkoper039
http://www.windmolensopzee.nl/
https://wonderfulengineering.com/38-hig ... the-world/
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Aleksandrit class (project 12700), Minesweeper, Russian Navy </summary>
<detail>
Lead vessel: Alexander Obukhov (507), commissioned in 2016. Plans to aquire 40 units.
Length 61m, Beam 10m, Draught 2.6m, Full Displ 890t, crew 44
Mono-hull of glass-reinforced plastics
Capable minesweeping equip: OUKT-B, PKT-B, Zhelatin, ShAT-U, Livadia-ME sonar and ROV's (2x K-Ster I-type, 10x K-Ster C-type), AUV's 2x Allister 9-tyoe) and USV's 91x Inspector-Mk2-type).
PAL-N nav radar, MTK-201M3.1 EOTV, Anapa anti-saboteur sonar, Struktura underwater comms, Ruberoid comms.
9K38 IGLA SRSAM, 30mm AK-306 (canb e mounted with GSh-6-30L 6barrel auto gun & SP-520M-2 EO control, MTPU 14.5 MG or 12.7 MG. Mines: EDM, MTPK, PMR serie.
2x M-503M1 diesel engines, 2x rudder props, 2x tranvers thruster. Each engine output 1864kW. Max speed 16,5kts. Range 1680nm at 10 kts. max 10 days endurance.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... s-vessels/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandri ... inesweeper
https://seawaves.com/?tag=project-12700
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... /12700.htm
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... -specs.htm
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ough-2050/
https://www.navaltoday.com/2020/01/07/n ... sian-navy/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_pC20xPYZM
</evidence>
Note: different sources give variations in fit.
with regards Gert-Jan
<summary>DB3K489, Aleksandrit class (project 12700), Minesweeper, Russian Navy </summary>
<detail>
Lead vessel: Alexander Obukhov (507), commissioned in 2016. Plans to aquire 40 units.
Length 61m, Beam 10m, Draught 2.6m, Full Displ 890t, crew 44
Mono-hull of glass-reinforced plastics
Capable minesweeping equip: OUKT-B, PKT-B, Zhelatin, ShAT-U, Livadia-ME sonar and ROV's (2x K-Ster I-type, 10x K-Ster C-type), AUV's 2x Allister 9-tyoe) and USV's 91x Inspector-Mk2-type).
PAL-N nav radar, MTK-201M3.1 EOTV, Anapa anti-saboteur sonar, Struktura underwater comms, Ruberoid comms.
9K38 IGLA SRSAM, 30mm AK-306 (canb e mounted with GSh-6-30L 6barrel auto gun & SP-520M-2 EO control, MTPU 14.5 MG or 12.7 MG. Mines: EDM, MTPK, PMR serie.
2x M-503M1 diesel engines, 2x rudder props, 2x tranvers thruster. Each engine output 1864kW. Max speed 16,5kts. Range 1680nm at 10 kts. max 10 days endurance.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... s-vessels/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandri ... inesweeper
https://seawaves.com/?tag=project-12700
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... /12700.htm
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... -specs.htm
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ough-2050/
https://www.navaltoday.com/2020/01/07/n ... sian-navy/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_pC20xPYZM
</evidence>
Note: different sources give variations in fit.
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Yantar class (Project 22010), Intelligence ship (AGI), Russian navy</summary>
<detail>
Commissioned 2015 first unt, second unit under construction. Total of two.
Length 107.8, Beam 17.2, Full displ 5736t,
Speed 15kts. Range 8000nm. Endurance 60days. Crew 50
Equip: AS-37/pr.16810"RUS" submersible. ?ARS-600
2x 3400 hp electric motors, 4x 1600 kW diesel generators, 2x 1080 kW diesel generators. 2x Azipods with fixed pitch propellors and 2x bowthruster.
Helopad
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -e262kBauw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_r ... sel_Yantar
http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_22010.htm
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/pho ... id=3115563
https://intelnews.org/tag/yantar-ship/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e64u-KcwNXk
https://www.wikizero.com/en/Russian_int ... hip_Yantar
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/1 ... near-syria
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
<summary>DB3K489, Yantar class (Project 22010), Intelligence ship (AGI), Russian navy</summary>
<detail>
Commissioned 2015 first unt, second unit under construction. Total of two.
Length 107.8, Beam 17.2, Full displ 5736t,
Speed 15kts. Range 8000nm. Endurance 60days. Crew 50
Equip: AS-37/pr.16810"RUS" submersible. ?ARS-600
2x 3400 hp electric motors, 4x 1600 kW diesel generators, 2x 1080 kW diesel generators. 2x Azipods with fixed pitch propellors and 2x bowthruster.
Helopad
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -e262kBauw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_r ... sel_Yantar
http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_22010.htm
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/pho ... id=3115563
https://intelnews.org/tag/yantar-ship/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e64u-KcwNXk
https://www.wikizero.com/en/Russian_int ... hip_Yantar
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/1 ... near-syria
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Takuare class (Guardian class), 03, Type (type), Vanuatu</summary>
<detail>In DB #3415 Solomon Islands and #3342 Fiji and #3326 Tonga
Also delivered to Papua New Guinea (Ted Diro P401), https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... atrol-boat
Tuvalu, https://www.naval-technology.com/news/t ... ataili-ii/
Samoa, https://samoaglobalnews.com/samoa-recei ... afanua-ii/
Palau, https://islandtimes.org/remeliik-ii-cat ... -poaching/
Kiribati, http://navyrecognition.com/index.php/na ... -boat.html
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.naval-technology.com/news/a ... o-vanuatu/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian- ... atrol_boat
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
<summary>DB3K489, Takuare class (Guardian class), 03, Type (type), Vanuatu</summary>
<detail>In DB #3415 Solomon Islands and #3342 Fiji and #3326 Tonga
Also delivered to Papua New Guinea (Ted Diro P401), https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... atrol-boat
Tuvalu, https://www.naval-technology.com/news/t ... ataili-ii/
Samoa, https://samoaglobalnews.com/samoa-recei ... afanua-ii/
Palau, https://islandtimes.org/remeliik-ii-cat ... -poaching/
Kiribati, http://navyrecognition.com/index.php/na ... -boat.html
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.naval-technology.com/news/a ... o-vanuatu/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian- ... atrol_boat
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Vikram class, 33, Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV), Indian Coastguard</summary>
<detail>First commisioned in 2018, 7 in class
Length 97m, Beam 15m, Draught 3.6m, displacement 2140t.
Max speed 26kts, Range 5000nm at 12to14 kts.
30mm CRN91 naval gun, 2x 12.7 MG,
Helicopter
Crew 102
2x diesel 9100 kW, Semt Pielstick 16PA6V280
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... -class-opv
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... graha.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram-cl ... sel_(2017)
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... kram-2.htm
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 715877.cms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqFopiI4wdA
https://www.c4defence.com/en/icgs-vikram-commissioned/
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
Data from JFS 2013/2014:
Offshore Patrol Vessel, WPSOH
Displ full 1300t. 74,1 x 11,4 x 3,5mtr.
Speed 22. Range 4200 at 12. Complement 109.
Machinery 2 SEMT pielstick 16 PA6 V 280, 12800 hp(m)(9.41 MW)sustained.
2 shafts; cp props.
1-30mm or 1-40mm/60 Bofors. 2-12.7mm MGs.
Navradar 2x DECCA 1226, I-band.
EO Lynx
1x HAL Chetak
<summary>DB3K489, Vikram class, 33, Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV), Indian Coastguard</summary>
<detail>First commisioned in 2018, 7 in class
Length 97m, Beam 15m, Draught 3.6m, displacement 2140t.
Max speed 26kts, Range 5000nm at 12to14 kts.
30mm CRN91 naval gun, 2x 12.7 MG,
Helicopter
Crew 102
2x diesel 9100 kW, Semt Pielstick 16PA6V280
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... -class-opv
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... graha.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram-cl ... sel_(2017)
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... kram-2.htm
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 715877.cms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqFopiI4wdA
https://www.c4defence.com/en/icgs-vikram-commissioned/
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
Data from JFS 2013/2014:
Offshore Patrol Vessel, WPSOH
Displ full 1300t. 74,1 x 11,4 x 3,5mtr.
Speed 22. Range 4200 at 12. Complement 109.
Machinery 2 SEMT pielstick 16 PA6 V 280, 12800 hp(m)(9.41 MW)sustained.
2 shafts; cp props.
1-30mm or 1-40mm/60 Bofors. 2-12.7mm MGs.
Navradar 2x DECCA 1226, I-band.
EO Lynx
1x HAL Chetak
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
An observation but if Hellfire gets a surface to air capability then so should a whole raft of purpose designed Soviet / Russian ATGM and gun launched ATGM which have purpose designed proximity fused fragmentation warheads with a stated design aim of anti helicopter anti low slow aircraft capability. I expect other missiles from elsewhere could also be pressed into surface to air engagements by design or necessity but from the top of my head
9M133F Kornet
9M119M Svir/Refleks
9M120-1F Attaka
9M123 KHRIZANTEMA (Not in DB489)
Plus the Israeli LAHAT 120mm GLGP
Are all anti air capable.
That's without putting my special thinking hat on.
Not a critique of the request just that the speed guidance and manoeuvrability of a lot of these supposedly anti tank missiles do make them dangerous to low slow and non manoeuvring air targets, its not a Hellfire exclusive.
9M133F Kornet
9M119M Svir/Refleks
9M120-1F Attaka
9M123 KHRIZANTEMA (Not in DB489)
Plus the Israeli LAHAT 120mm GLGP
Are all anti air capable.
That's without putting my special thinking hat on.
Not a critique of the request just that the speed guidance and manoeuvrability of a lot of these supposedly anti tank missiles do make them dangerous to low slow and non manoeuvring air targets, its not a Hellfire exclusive.
ORIGINAL: tylerblakebrandon
<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Add anti-air capabilities to Hellfire missile</summary>
<detail>Apparently they can target aerial threats and that dual use capability seems to be part of the reason it is used on the M-SHORAD. Seems the Israelis have downed a Lebanese Cessna and an Iranian UAV.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.army-technology.com/project ... i-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast ... s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html
<evidence>
https://www.army-technology.com/project ... i-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast ... s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Klewang class, Sidenr, Fast Attack Craft Trimaran (type), Indonesian navy</summary>
<detail>I used url's from earlier postes.
Builder North Sea Boats (PT Lundin Industry), Indonesia
Stealth wave-piercing trimaran carbon fast attack craft, Its hull and superstructure were constructed with infused vinyl ester carbon fibre, with its main gun concealed in a stealthy cupola to minimise the overall deflection of radar signals from the vessel.
Second unit KRI Golok (688) launch in 2021. First unit Klewang (625) was destroyed in a fire in 2012 before being commissioned.
Length 62.54, Width 18.7, Height 16.7, Weight 53.1t (Note PT Lundin gives displacement 245t).
Max speed 28kts, cruising speed 16kts.
Type 730 (CHN) 7 barreled 30mm CIWS, C-705 SSM, ?12.7mm gun. Crew 25.
* Different options for SSM are on sites. Compared to the first unit (destroyed) it might be switched to CHN SSM instead of SWE SSM. Sensors are yet unclear if there the same as for the first, destroyed, unit.
</detail>
<evidence>
http://navyrecognition.com/index.php/na ... k-688.html
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... -2012-fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIIR_ySFV2M
https://gbp.com.sg/stories/pt-lundin-la ... sian-navy/
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... sian-navy/
https://www.asiapacificdefensejournal.c ... class.html
https://www.bairdmaritime.com/work-boat ... oated-out/
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... tions.html
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
<summary>DB3K489, Klewang class, Sidenr, Fast Attack Craft Trimaran (type), Indonesian navy</summary>
<detail>I used url's from earlier postes.
Builder North Sea Boats (PT Lundin Industry), Indonesia
Stealth wave-piercing trimaran carbon fast attack craft, Its hull and superstructure were constructed with infused vinyl ester carbon fibre, with its main gun concealed in a stealthy cupola to minimise the overall deflection of radar signals from the vessel.
Second unit KRI Golok (688) launch in 2021. First unit Klewang (625) was destroyed in a fire in 2012 before being commissioned.
Length 62.54, Width 18.7, Height 16.7, Weight 53.1t (Note PT Lundin gives displacement 245t).
Max speed 28kts, cruising speed 16kts.
Type 730 (CHN) 7 barreled 30mm CIWS, C-705 SSM, ?12.7mm gun. Crew 25.
* Different options for SSM are on sites. Compared to the first unit (destroyed) it might be switched to CHN SSM instead of SWE SSM. Sensors are yet unclear if there the same as for the first, destroyed, unit.
</detail>
<evidence>
http://navyrecognition.com/index.php/na ... k-688.html
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... -2012-fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIIR_ySFV2M
https://gbp.com.sg/stories/pt-lundin-la ... sian-navy/
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... sian-navy/
https://www.asiapacificdefensejournal.c ... class.html
https://www.bairdmaritime.com/work-boat ... oated-out/
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... tions.html
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, CSB 8020 (ex-Hamilton class), 8020, High Endurance Cutter, Vietnam Coastguard</summary>
<detail>Follow-up on a previous req by BDukes. 2nd unit is transfered and 3rd is requested.
US coastguard Hamilton class, Latest in current DB is #1934
The WHEC722 Morgenthau & WHEC626 John Midgett are transferred to Vietnam as CSB8020 & CSB8021
Req for third, prob the WHEC724 Douglas Munro
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... m-u-s.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton-class_cutter
https://www.planetminecraft.com/project ... ton-class/
https://www.asiapacificdefensejournal.c ... ilton.html
https://hanoitimes.vn/cbs-8021-hamilton ... 18150.html
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
<summary>DB3K489, CSB 8020 (ex-Hamilton class), 8020, High Endurance Cutter, Vietnam Coastguard</summary>
<detail>Follow-up on a previous req by BDukes. 2nd unit is transfered and 3rd is requested.
US coastguard Hamilton class, Latest in current DB is #1934
The WHEC722 Morgenthau & WHEC626 John Midgett are transferred to Vietnam as CSB8020 & CSB8021
Req for third, prob the WHEC724 Douglas Munro
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... m-u-s.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton-class_cutter
https://www.planetminecraft.com/project ... ton-class/
https://www.asiapacificdefensejournal.c ... ilton.html
https://hanoitimes.vn/cbs-8021-hamilton ... 18150.html
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan
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- Posts: 456
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
ORIGINAL: KLAB
An observation but if Hellfire gets a surface to air capability then so should a whole raft of purpose designed Soviet / Russian ATGM and gun launched ATGM which have purpose designed proximity fused fragmentation warheads with a stated design aim of anti helicopter anti low slow aircraft capability. I expect other missiles from elsewhere could also be pressed into surface to air engagements by design or necessity but from the top of my head
9M133F Kornet
9M119M Svir/Refleks
9M120-1F Attaka
9M123 KHRIZANTEMA (Not in DB489)
Plus the Israeli LAHAT 120mm GLGP
Are all anti air capable.
That's without putting my special thinking hat on.
Not a critique of the request just that the speed guidance and manoeuvrability of a lot of these supposedly anti tank missiles do make them dangerous to low slow and non manoeuvring air targets, its not a Hellfire exclusive.
ORIGINAL: tylerblakebrandon
<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Add anti-air capabilities to Hellfire missile</summary>
<detail>Apparently they can target aerial threats and that dual use capability seems to be part of the reason it is used on the M-SHORAD. Seems the Israelis have downed a Lebanese Cessna and an Iranian UAV.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.army-technology.com/project ... i-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast ... s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html
<evidence>
https://www.army-technology.com/project ... i-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast ... s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html
I had put in a feature request for "Use AAM in ASuW mode" similar to SAM's as many AAM can be employed against surface or ground targets and a doctrine flag like for SAMs seemed to be the best long term solution rather than a specific specialized DB entry. Perhaps a similar type flag for such ATGM that have a secondary AA capability would be useful.