German MG Battalion manpower

[Wiedrock]

MOTORIZED
The following is only about the Motorized Battallion [OB:575], which only has one OB throughout the game. It starts with too little Men initially 587Men instead of 1018Men in 1941. Further the change in Equipment and manpower (at the latest in 1944) is missing which would put it to 942Men. There are unmotorized TOEs but I suppose they have to be kept separate.

1941 see Book 3/II page 61 for KSTNs and setup.

• Staff: 19Men
• Staffcompany: 206Men [8xHMG]
• Heavy Company: 175Men [6x3,7cm Pak + 6x8cm Mortar (back then called heavy Mortar I guess)]
• 3xMG Company or here: 206Men each (3x = 618Men) total: [36xHMG + 9xPzB + 9x5cm Mortar]

=1018Men (in game 587)

1944

• Staff+Staffcompany, KSTN 120 (01.05.1944): 201Men [8xHMG]
• Heavy Company, KSTN 167 (01.01.1945 - 01.05.1944 is missing): 159Men [6x3,7cm Pak + 6x8cm Mortar]
• 3xMG Company, KSTN 166 (01.05.1944): 194Men each (3x = 582Men) total: [36xHMG + 12xPanzerschreck + (36xRifle Grenade)] → the former 5cm Mortars were "replaced" by Rifle Grenades, of which the three Companies had a total of 36. The game lacks Rifle grenade Squads, but this and several other TOEs make a 3Men-3Rifle Grenade Squad a multiple times used Squad if added.

=942Men (in game 587 - and 1944 Upgrade missing overall)

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NON-MOTORIZED

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[Wiedrock]

To give an comparison (different motorization), but it is rather unlikely for germans to have formations with equal/worse "support" then the Soviets have. So pretty obvious error numbers in German TOEs.

[Wiedrock]

As reported here already, the game is missing the units using all of the static ground-attack Flak [OB:580, OB:581] MG Battalions - they pretty quickly on 9.Nov.1944 were renamed into Fortress Flak Battalions. About ~30 SUs missing (at first glance).

[MechFO]

December 1939 KSTN for the various companies of a MG Battalion

pages 78 - 95, to 100 if MG Kompanie c is the correct KSTN

https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/8

and pages 44-ff

https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/8

[Wiedrock]

December 1939 KSTN for the various companies of a MG Battalion

No real differences can be seen at first glance to the 1941 variants which could indicate/explain the lower manpower in game.

if MG Kompanie c is the correct KSTN

Those are the companies in regular Divisions's Battalions (like the 4th, 8th, 12th companies). Sometimes called "MG Companies", sometimes "Heavy Companies" - not exactly sure what determines the naming (usually 1944+ it's rather called "heavy", but there were "heavy companies" also earlier already....sooo...).

[MechFO]

As reported here already, the game is missing the units using all of the static ground-attack Flak [OB:580, OB:581] MG Battalions - they pretty quickly on 9.Nov.1944 were renamed into Fortress Flak Battalions. About ~30 SUs missing (at first glance).

The Festungs MG Bat might have 6 Pioneer Squads instead of 3.

Following examples have 6 and 4 (at 90% strength).

https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/8

https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/8

also of note the relatively large numbers of Gewehr 43.

[Wiedrock]

Atatched is the KSTNs for the MG Company and the Heavy Company. It has the normal
3xPioneer
3xBicycle
So the Commanders must have made some changes on the fly I'd assume. There are no listed reworked KSTNs at least and no reference towards another KSTN.

But all the Festungs MG Battalions are missing anyways, so... (~70+SUs)
And the "super heavy Festungs MG Battalions" → renamed Festungs Flak Battalions are missing as well. (~30+SUs).

[MechFO]

Atatched is the KSTNs for the MG Company and the Heavy Company. It has the normal
3xPioneer
3xBicycle
So the Commanders must have made some changes on the fly I'd assume. There are no listed reworked KSTNs at least and no reference towards another KSTN.

Thanks for the KSTN.

Edit: Found the same 3 Pio Squads in from January 45 in NARA T78 Roll 398 Page 23.

[MechFO]

NARA Roll T78 Roll 397 pages 28-30

Schwere Kp (mot) eines MG Bat (mot) KSTN 167 from 1.1.45

6 37mm ATG
6 8cm Mortar

Manpower total 159

[Wiedrock]

NARA Roll T78 Roll 397 pages 28-30

Schwere Kp (mot) eines MG Bat (mot) KSTN 167 from 1.1.45

6 37mm ATG
6 8cm Mortar

Manpower total 159

Yep, used that one in the initial post.

Edit: Found the same 3 Pio Squads in from January 45 in NARA T78 Roll 398 Page 23.

Okay, so just an oddity they created independently creating more squads...or they just added more LMGs then allocated, showing 4 or 6...