Newbie tips: turn #1 (Japanese Player + some Allied info)

[Mr.Frag]

Key point #1:

Plan your shipping before you do *anything* else.

Load your troops into shipping. The ships will load instantly.

Should you have not planned right on the # of ships, it will say "loading troops". If you had enough ships it will say "loading supplies".

You must Cancel Loading or you just might find your ships still sitting in port on turn 2 loading. Note this!

If you build a TF to do a supply run, it will not load supplies until the end of the turn! Note this! Engrave it into your hand! It will be the cause of many screwed up turn #1's.

Now, here's the trap. Aircraft upgrade, factory changes etc all eat up supply. You ships are sitting there waiting to load that very same supply!

Should you burn through the supply doing *other* things, you will have your ships still sitting at the port when turn #2 starts, having not moved yet because they have run into the rule that prevents the base giving up all it's supply!

You will have completely blown your first turn!

Key point #2:

Do NOT include ships with very small fuel capacity in your TF's built on turn #1. They will cancel the special turn #1 move rate because they force a refueling check. Do NOT use Fast Transport TF's on turn #1, they do not get the bonus movement speed. Remember that this special move only eats 3 hexes worth of fuel to get there but there is NO special move to get you BACK from there. Again, think carefully about the low fuel ships. Do they have enough fuel to get to somewhere to refuel based on where you are sending them?


Key point #3:

Some bases in China start with not enough troops to suppress uprising. You must correct this on turn #1 or you will find yourself with bases that are destroyed for nothing. Pay attention to those ugly red numbers before it is too late!


Key point #4:

Get your subs moving! Subs benefit from this first turn speed move. Everyone knows where they are. Move em!

Key point #5:

Ground Units that do not start at a base will have their planned location set to the Capital. You need to correct this to the nearest base right off to not loose time. Units in bases are set to the base. Look around at your troops. You will see that some already have planned destinations set for somewhere (hint hint - through them on ships and send them there!).

[Deathifier]

I take it this is mostly for Jap turn 1?

Allied Turn 1 is more like "run around room screaming while everything gets blown to bits" right?

I'm still trying to decide which one to play first once the game pops up in the store

- Deathifier

[Mr.Frag]

Yes, mostly Japanese, but the ship loading information will catch Allies too as they wonder *why* their ships never seem to finish loading and leave port. [;)]

[ltfightr]

Thanks Mr Frag the kind of reminders/hints that I find useful it seems as if these points come from a painful lesson learned[8D]

[52nd Lowland]

ORIGINAL: Deathifier

I take it this is mostly for Jap turn 1?

Allied Turn 1 is more like "run around room screaming while everything gets blown to bits" right?

I'm still trying to decide which one to play first once the game pops up in the store

- Deathifier

Im sure that the Jap attack last for more then 1 turn..more like several months or years depending on how you play.

[Mr.Frag]

Thanks Mr Frag the kind of reminders/hints that I find useful it seems as if these points come from a painful lesson learned

Yes indeed, many painful lessons.

The fuel problem(s) with small ships: I only actually figured out that was the cause a few weeks ago. Been scratching my head over that one for months.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Deathifier

I take it this is mostly for Jap turn 1?

Allied Turn 1 is more like "run around room screaming while everything gets blown to bits" right?

I'm still trying to decide which one to play first once the game pops up in the store

- Deathifier

Caution to the wind!
I'd start the big campaign as Allies vs IJ AI regardless of a daunting ignorance outside of UV. Because of your ignorance of the new additions to the game mechanics/OOB positions/ etc at the start, the mistakes you will inevitably make "simulate" the utter confusion sufferred by the Allies at the time and give the AI a better chance of providing an interesting game. You can't lose as Allies so why not struggle along as they did historically? Over time, you learn the game.

Allied forces are relatively small at the start and not much happens in China for some reason, perhaps leave it to the 'puter. Once you understand the game, the AI loses it's bite because the game is so immense it can't conceivably react to ya. By the time you are more comfortable with the game (May 42?), IJ should have conquered the SRA, major portions of Burma...basically be in a relatively historical position.

[Xargun]

A question concerning Turn 1 (non-historic) for the japanese.. A lot of stuff is already preloaded onto ships and TF already have orders - is there any way to get a CLEAN start for turn 1 ?

Xargun

[Mr.Frag]

A question concerning Turn 1 (non-historic) for the japanese.. A lot of stuff is already preloaded onto ships and TF already have orders - is there any way to get a CLEAN start for turn 1 ?

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You don't know how long I begged for a starting scenario with *nothing* set for that reason. Just ran out of time.

[ltfightr]

Mr frag Maybe that can be your 1st editor task.

[Mr.Frag]

Mr frag Maybe that can be your 1st editor task.

It is easy enough to do, but the scenario would not say "Official Scenario" [;)]

[ltfightr]

But then they could include it in the 1st patch and make it official.

[Jonny_B]

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Hey itfightr:

They can not hear you, did you say CAN WE ORDER YET or can we order yet??????????????

[ADavidB]

Key point #1:

Plan your shipping before you do *anything* else.

Load your troops into shipping. The ships will load instantly.

Should you have not planned right on the # of ships, it will say "loading troops". If you had enough ships it will say "loading supplies".

You must Cancel Loading or you just might find your ships still sitting in port on turn 2 loading. Note this!

If you build a TF to do a supply run, it will not load supplies until the end of the turn! Note this! Engrave it into your hand! It will be the cause of many screwed up turn #1's.

Now, here's the trap. Aircraft upgrade, factory changes etc all eat up supply. You ships are sitting there waiting to load that very same supply!

Should you burn through the supply doing *other* things, you will have your ships still sitting at the port when turn #2 starts, having not moved yet because they have run into the rule that prevents the base giving up all it's supply!

You will have completely blown your first turn!

Let's see if I understand this right...

"You must Cancel Loading or you just might find your ships still sitting in port on turn 2 loading. Note this! "

Are you referring to the condition of "loading supplies" that occurs once the troops have loaded?

Does the instantaneous loading of troops only occur in turn 1?

What if you are loading armor, engineers with dozers, etc? The sorts of things that caused slower loading in UV.

"Should you burn through the supply doing *other* things, you will have your ships still sitting at the port when turn #2 starts, having not moved yet because they have run into the rule that prevents the base giving up all it's supply! "

This implies that you can shut off other supply-burning activities in order to fill your supply ships. True?

What if you want to fill your troop ships with supplies as well as troops. You could do that in UV, can you do it here?

Also, in UV the size of the port affected loading/unloading speed for everything. Is that still true?

Thanks -

Dave Baranyi

[Mr.Frag]

Turn #1 ONLY has a unlimited load speed.

[Tha_Field_Marshall]

So let me get this strait, on turn one you can load all troops onto ships in one turn, but supplies will not be loaded?

[Mr.Frag]

Nope, supplies too. Just make sure you don't bump into the 10% base rule that hordes supplies.

[ADavidB]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Turn #1 ONLY has a unlimited load speed.

Thanks-

Dave Baranyi

(Now if the good folks-in-charge will hurry up and let the rest of us customers-to-be order the game...)

[marc420]

Uh-oh, I smell a GG UI here. I have to hit "cancel loading" in order to make the troops load?

And even though an amount of supply has been taken to the docks and orders given to load it onto ships, a factory across town can still somehow use up the supplies???

Arggh! I'd forgotten the pain of playing a game with one of GG's UIs. [X(]

[Deathifier]

ORIGINAL: marc420

Uh-oh, I smell a GG UI here. I have to hit "cancel loading" in order to make the troops load?

And even though an amount of supply has been taken to the docks and orders given to load it onto ships, a factory across town can still somehow use up the supplies???

Arggh! I'd forgotten the pain of playing a game with one of GG's UIs. [X(]

It appears to just be a rule that prevents you stealing all the supply a base needs by accident.

For example if you rock up with an oversized TF to a large forward base, load a couple of units on you want to take back for R&R but accidently forget to use "Load Troops Only" then when the TF loads up it doesn't take away all the food the remaining troops need to survive in the process

It would be nice if a signal was given that this rule is delaying loading though.


Ron Saueracker: Loading up and diving into the main campaign as the first thing is very tempting indeed

- Deathifier