RE: Looking for trouble with AFB --> BOUNCE
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:32 am
Who's idea was it to resurrect this stupid thread???[:-]
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Who's idea was it to resurrect this stupid thread???[:-]
DaveB
What's your Strategy?
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ORIGINAL: Terminus
Who's idea was it to resurrect this stupid thread???[:-]
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Who's idea was it to resurrect this stupid thread???[:-]
ORIGINAL: mlees
I didn't catch this thread the first time around.
It was actually interesting reading, for me. [:)]
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Who's idea was it to resurrect this stupid thread???[:-]
ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Who's idea was it to resurrect this stupid thread???[:-]
You should really think about what you say and how you say it. Your footer shows you as the WitP-AE Naval Team Lead and Deputy Project Manager but the way you respond to people is really offensive. It make it difficult to post in the AE discussion threads when you write/respond as you do.
You are representing your design team now also. You can't afford to put personalities B4 principles in your position - regardless of your personal opinions...
ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Who's idea was it to resurrect this stupid thread???[:-]
You should really think about what you say and how you say it. Your footer shows you as the WitP-AE Naval Team Lead and Deputy Project Manager but the way you respond to people is really offensive. It make it difficult to post in the AE discussion threads when you write/respond as you do.
You are representing your design team now also. You can't afford to put personalities B4 principles in your position - regardless of your personal opinions...
1Eyed ... I must say that I agree with you .. "in detail" as Sid likes to say.
But I must admit I have a conflict.
One of my cardinal rules is "do not criticise team members in public".
But at the same time, I must remain true to my duties as a forum MOD to enforce the rules ... issues not people ... no personal attacks.
Now technically, I suppose calling a "thread" stupid .. is not a personal attack .. since a "thread" is not a person. But ... clearly there were and are persons who thought and think that this thread has value. Hence calling the thread stupid could be construed to be calling such supporters of the thread stupid. I"m not real big on "rules lawyers" or "test the edge" types ... so if the MOD thinks you are being offensive .. then you are being offensive.
But I also think the AE Team must answer to a higher standard. I learned this when I became a mod. Before that I loved to wail on the design flaws in the game - and I got Erik after me a time or so (and Frag before that). Now - if I can't think up something neutral to say .. I might just say nothing. The AE team needs to understand this.
We have seen improvement in Termies posts in the last couple of months ... and I have received PM and email from forum members commenting on this. The current "infraction" would probably not receive much notice if it came from a non-AE Team member ... but given that it did ... it is an issue and I will remind the AE Team of their responsibily to be "more civil" than the next guy.
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:)] Also , take into consideration that the subject of this thread is one which in the past has lead to conflict and bad feelings. I have to believe that Terminus was expressing his frustration with "loaded threads" , that is ones almost certain to lead to nastiness if it goes on long enough. Threads like "best fighter in ww2", . I feel Terminus was more upset with "people playing with fire" , than with people or persons in general. [:)]
ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:)] Also , take into consideration that the subject of this thread is one which in the past has lead to conflict and bad feelings. I have to believe that Terminus was expressing his frustration with "loaded threads" , that is ones almost certain to lead to nastiness if it goes on long enough. Threads like "best fighter in ww2", . I feel Terminus was more upset with "people playing with fire" , than with people or persons in general. [:)]
well, I don´t want to start another fight, but I´m used to such statements from him, no matter what the thread´s about or what the subject is (I admit the subject chosen wasn´t a good idea of mine). 25.000 posts....
and I´m not the one who already has got banned from the forum for a couple of months...[8|]
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:)] Also , take into consideration that the subject of this thread is one which in the past has lead to conflict and bad feelings. I have to believe that Terminus was expressing his frustration with "loaded threads" , that is ones almost certain to lead to nastiness if it goes on long enough. Threads like "best fighter in ww2", . I feel Terminus was more upset with "people playing with fire" , than with people or persons in general. [:)]
well, I don´t want to start another fight, but I´m used to such statements from him, no matter what the thread´s about or what the subject is (I admit the subject chosen wasn´t a good idea of mine). 25.000 posts....
and I´m not the one who already has got banned from the forum for a couple of months...[8|]
To which I can only say "yet". You haven't been banned yet. Anyone of us could be banned tomorrow for saying something stupid today. I certainly suspect that I've been close. Yet really Castor , you should ask yourself the question , which is an attack? A general question of "Who let the cat in?" or Reference to 25,000 posts or "some one who was banned "? The first comment was a general statement. The next two were specific. I'm not very much for reading the Bible (or religion for that matter) but I seem to remeber something about "casting the first stone". I think that's applicable here. Terminus has apparently taken a "leave of absence" to consider this incident. Now might be a real good time for us all to take some time and think about our own posts. Peace. [:)]
ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: castor troy
well, I don´t want to start another fight, but I´m used to such statements from him, no matter what the thread´s about or what the subject is (I admit the subject chosen wasn´t a good idea of mine). 25.000 posts....
and I´m not the one who already has got banned from the forum for a couple of months...[8|]
To which I can only say "yet". You haven't been banned yet. Anyone of us could be banned tomorrow for saying something stupid today. I certainly suspect that I've been close. Yet really Castor , you should ask yourself the question , which is an attack? A general question of "Who let the cat in?" or Reference to 25,000 posts or "some one who was banned "? The first comment was a general statement. The next two were specific. I'm not very much for reading the Bible (or religion for that matter) but I seem to remeber something about "casting the first stone". I think that's applicable here. Terminus has apparently taken a "leave of absence" to consider this incident. Now might be a real good time for us all to take some time and think about our own posts. Peace. [:)]
yes, peace. Though I was always only ANSWERING... not beginning with such comments... and yes, general statements and the last two were specific - but also FACTs...
so if I´m in danger of being banned because I´m saying that someone made 25.000 posts (of what quality doesn´t matter) or because I´m saying he was banned (for what reason ever) I would really wonder then...[8|]
but yes, peace
[:(] They were not meant as attacks. Veiled or otherwise. If so taken , then please accept my apologies. They were meant as examples of innocous comments which can be taken out of context. What I was offering is that if general statements can be taken as personal attacks, then specific statements darned well should be. As I said , we all could be banned because we "offend someone". The moderator has held Terminus to a higher standard due to his position. Shouldn't we all hold ourselves to a higher standard just because it's the right thing to do?ORIGINAL: goodboyladdie
ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
To which I can only say "yet". You haven't been banned yet. Anyone of us could be banned tomorrow for saying something stupid today. I certainly suspect that I've been close. Yet really Castor , you should ask yourself the question , which is an attack? A general question of "Who let the cat in?" or Reference to 25,000 posts or "some one who was banned "? The first comment was a general statement. The next two were specific. I'm not very much for reading the Bible (or religion for that matter) but I seem to remeber something about "casting the first stone". I think that's applicable here. Terminus has apparently taken a "leave of absence" to consider this incident. Now might be a real good time for us all to take some time and think about our own posts. Peace. [:)]
yes, peace. Though I was always only ANSWERING... not beginning with such comments... and yes, general statements and the last two were specific - but also FACTs...
so if I´m in danger of being banned because I´m saying that someone made 25.000 posts (of what quality doesn´t matter) or because I´m saying he was banned (for what reason ever) I would really wonder then...[8|]
but yes, peace
The comments you attached to the peace acceptance were more veiled specific attacks. Can we please just leave this where it belongs? [&o]
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:(] They were not meant as attacks. Veiled or otherwise. If so taken , then please accept my apologies. They were meant as examples of innocous comments which can be taken out of context. What I was offering is that if general statements can be taken as personal attacks, then specific statements darned well should be. As I said , we all could be banned because we "offend someone". The moderator has held Terminus to a higher standard due to his position. Shouldn't we all hold ourselves to a higher standard just because it's the right thing to do?ORIGINAL: goodboyladdie
ORIGINAL: castor troy
yes, peace. Though I was always only ANSWERING... not beginning with such comments... and yes, general statements and the last two were specific - but also FACTs...
so if I´m in danger of being banned because I´m saying that someone made 25.000 posts (of what quality doesn´t matter) or because I´m saying he was banned (for what reason ever) I would really wonder then...[8|]
but yes, peace
The comments you attached to the peace acceptance were more veiled specific attacks. Can we please just leave this where it belongs? [&o]
[:(] I asked if we shouldn't take a pause to consider what has transpired on this thread. I repeat myself. Let's stop flogging the subject and ask ourselves if we have contributed to a misunderstanding. I apparently have, by not being clearer in my earlier post to Castor. As I said before , I give you my apology.
As far as personal or other "attacks" go, all it apparently requires for a statement , or comment to be so branded , is to say that one is offended. Let's take that moment and ask ourselves two questions. 1) Did that poster that offended me mean to offend me? and 2) Have I myself given someone cause to be offended? [:(]