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RE: So, There I Was...
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:44 am
by Apollo11
Hi all,
Oh my... seven DDs... [X(]
BTW, were there any repercussions for the big brass because of that?
Leo "Apollo11"
RE: So, There I Was...
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:02 am
by Gunner98
Don't think so:
http://www.pointhondamemorial.org/research/
"In the first opinion of the Court, the direct cause of the disaster which resulted in the stranding of seven destroyers on Pedernales Point (Point Honda), and the grounding of two others in the same vicinity is, in the first instance, directly attributable to bad errors of judgment and faulty navigation on the part of three officers attached to and serving on the
U. S. S. Delphy, viz: the Squadron Commander, Captain Edward H. Watson, the Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Commander Donald T. Hunter, and the Navigating Officer, Lieutenant (j. g.) Lawrence Francis Blodgett.
The Court stated in its third opinion that no unusual current conditions existed, but that the set to the north and east was caused by bad steering, together with a certain amount of current which, while not explicitly laid down in the Sailing Directions, may be expected at any time in any direction and should be guarded against by the careful navigator"
Looks to me that the local commanders took the heat, the page goes on to speculate about all sorts of stuff including the tail end of a tidal wave caused by an earthquake in Japan etc but in the end result - the Navagator called for a wrong turn, and both the Capt (lead ship) and Sqn Comd said - OK. Bad night all around...[:(]
RE: So, There I Was...
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:43 am
by Yamato hugger
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
I believe that they have stated that groundings will be among the "rare events" we might encounter.
My question is: how about tsunamis? USS Memphis comes to mind...
In reality I hope not, but the devil made me ask!
Nope, only thing that will affect more than 1 ship is a collision. No tsunamis, no typhoons, no space aliens.
RE: So, There I Was...
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:57 pm
by witpqs
Operation Rösselsprung
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_R%C3%B6sselsprung_(Naval)
With the complex decision-making process binding Rösselsprung no move was made until 2 July; Tirpitz, Hipper and 4 destroyers left Trondheim at 8 PM on 2 July, while Lutzow and Scheer with their 5 destroyers left Narvik at 12.30 PM on the 3rd. These journeys were taken through the Leads, the channels between the Norwegian Islands and the main coastline. The Leads are sheltered and hidden, but tricky to navigate, and the battle groups encountered trouble almost immediately; 3 of Tirpitz's escorting destroyers ran onto rocks and were forced to return to port. Tirpitz and Hipper with one remaining destroyer arrived at Vestfjord, off Narvik, on 3 July and at Altenfjord at 10 Am on 4 July. Kummetz’s battle group also had trouble. Lutzow ran aground in Tjel Sund and was also forced to retire, Kummetz shifting his flag to Scheer ; they also arrived at Altenfjord on the 4th.
