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Acropora,

You had almost all the values correct( in my opinion correct). If you have any problems with MY values, please let me know...I don't want to be a bully on these values.

ORIGINAL: jonj01

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ORIGINAL: maitrebongo

I have reposted (replaced) my first redone of german vehicles with MG values in the same thread as original

Yes Acropora, post your ASL tables, it will be usefull.

Thanks,
You were right not to use the MG values in my cvs...they were wrong for 5 vehicles.
All the Sd 251 series that had replaced the MG with a cannon or mortar I had those vehicles with MG as well...And they don't have MGs.

Thanks for catching that Maitrebongo

The cvs has been updated based on this conversation here....thanks

Lets talk a bunch about the Russians now.

ORIGINAL: Barthheart

For MG's use the following:

If the AFV has a turret and an mg in both the turret and the bow then use 4 as the mg factor. If it also had a AA MG on top then add a second 2 factor.

If it has no turret then use a 2 factor.

Yes that is true for most vehicles but some like this(from LnL board game) have a bigger AA mg.

Better ,but i think that we need also the number in the square also for the others not only for the Brumbar,furthermore Jonj ,in a previous post,say that the armour of the hetzer is overestimated.
Anyway,the Nashorn,Pz38T and the Sdkfz are in my post 51 with right value and the value on the square.The only thing not clear is the value of the MG for the Sdkfz series.
(but in few minutes seem more clear,not the time to write that there are others post)
Thank you

Maitrebongo,

Thanks those look great.

Can you fix the hetzer and Brummbar(STU PzIV) armor values. They are too high and secondly they don't have a turret so shouldn't have two armor values for each facing.

The armor values I have are.
Brummbar(STU PzIV) 7 front
3 side
2 rear

Hetzer 6 front
2 side
2 rear

Thanks they look great

The Hetzer in my Germany1 (post51) is alredy with one armour.
What is not correct is the Brumbar,but if you want i do this evening.
For the Hetzer i follow the suggestion of Jonj,less front value.

ORIGINAL: jonj01

Can you fix the hetzer and Brummbar(STU PzIV) armor values. They are too high and secondly they don't have a turret so shouldn't have two armor values for each facing.

The armor values I have are.
Brummbar(STU PzIV) 7 front
3 side
2 rear

Hetzer 6 front
2 side
2 rear

Thanks they look great

Done in the original thread of both Wehrmacht and SS

ORIGINAL: jonj01

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ORIGINAL: jonj01

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I have supposed that the Sdkfz 234/2 in your original picture was a mistake and that it is really the 251/2 one (like in the Wehrmacht countersheet).

You are very fast,but sorry some value are missing.The value in the square.
This is the content of my post 51.The Brumbar was not corrected and the Hetzer have again the old armour but you can copy the value in the square.
The value are consequence of the size of the gun.Like in the Brumbar a 150mm have value of 6,a 75mm(Hetzer( have value 3 and so on.

Germany 1

Germany2 the wrong file.

Germany3

ORIGINAL: maitrebongo

ORIGINAL: jonj01

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There's no movement points on your Hetzer.

Also most of your tanks don't have an HE equivalency factor... the Hetzer does = 3. Are most tanks only shooting AP ammo?

germany4 the last.Could be completed with others unit.

Maitrebongo,

I missed a couple things in my haste...sorry to have you keep fixing this stuff. I'll go by forum post #. And tell you what has to be changed added or fixed. Then that sheet will be DONE. ABSOLUTELY DONE. i'LL add the proper numbers to cvs and we can forget about that sheet.

Post #102(German sheet with hetzer)
hetzer..needs 10T movement.
JgPz IV needs blue square with 3 in it. like hetzer.
Nashorn needs blue square with 4 in it.
Pz38t needs blue square with 2 in it
Sdkfz 232 needs blue square with 2 in it. (Movement changed from 18O to 20O)
Sdkfz 232/1 needs blue square with 3 in it. (Movement changed from 18O to 20O)
Sdkfz 232/4 needs blue square with 3 in it. (Movement changed from 18O to 20O)
StuPzIV pefect ...No Changes.

Post #108(SS sheet with hetzer)
hetzer..needs 10T movement.
JgPz IV needs blue square with 3 in it. like hetzer.
Nashorn needs blue square with 4 in it.
Pz38t needs blue square with 2 in it
Sdkfz 232 needs blue square with 2 in it. (Movement changed from 18O to 20O)
Sdkfz 232/1 needs blue square with 3 in it. (Movement changed from 18O to 20O)
Sdkfz 232/4 needs blue square with 3 in it. (Movement changed from 18O to 20O)
StuPzIV pefect ...No Changes.Post #102(German sheet with hetzer)


Thanks...sorry I didn't get that earlier.

Maitrebongo...correct I mixed the 234 and 251 up on the SS sheet#2

As for this sheet...all is fine except firepower for main gun. on all counters.

So for the SS sheet you posted in forum post #109
the hummel and grille each need square blue box with 6 in it.
the Jadgtiger needs square blue box with 5 in it.
Sdkfz 251/2 and 251/22 each need square blue box with 3 in it.
Sdkfz 251/10 needs square blue box with 2 in it.
StrumTiger needs square blue box with 8 in it. (thats right a 8...its a 210mm shell..wow)

and the little pzI is perfect..it has no main cannon just the 4 for the 2 little MGs..so no change.

sorry I wasn't clearer...thank you for all your help.

Yes Acropora, post your ASL tables, it will be usefull.

This are the table that i use. at the moment.To know the gun follow the ASL counters.

The Russian table