RE: Grand Campaign 1941 - JC vs JP
Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 1:04 pm
Thoughts on 1941 summer campaign:
Even though I got beaten up pretty good and made some mistakes, I really enjoyed the fighting retreat strategy. My opponent has taken Leningrad and Stalino, but not Moscow, and I still have Tula, Voronej, so geographically I am fairly satisfied. Not a resounding defensive victory, but could have been worse. Except for Leningrad, which is a big one, I am doing better than historical I think. I think I under-defended Leningrad, but put up a good fight in the south. It seems impossible to defend all three Leningrad, Moscow, AGS. I think one can do 2. It would be interesting to try a different combination, such as defend Leningrad and Moscow and leave the south wide open and see how far east the Germans go, sometimes it seems terrain slows them down more than Russian ants in the south.
I can also imagine how a run-run strategy would be advantageous. The only strong units you have as Russian in 1941 are the one present on June 22nd. The units you get after that are mostly 1=1 ants that have only one use, their ZOC. So if one retreats quickly and far east until you can combine the strong early units with a sea of 1=1 ants, you probably can build a pretty strong defense in depth. And it seems the Germans sometimes get as worn out by terrain as by the soviet defense (not saying much for the Red Army…). That would be pretty boring though, at least to me.
Factory evacuation-wise, I started evacuating the wrong way though I think, trying to evacuate everything west of the Dnepr, including all the HI, which is prohibitive in terms of rail points. And after doing some calculations I think one can actually give up all the HI west of the Dnepr and be fine even if I save all the Armament factories and all the weapons factories I want to keep. I realized this early enough to figure out a recovery plan to give up a bunch of HI in cities directly east of the Dnepr to have enough rail points for Armament and weapons factories. But it was just-in-time, as I was evacuating barely ahead of the Germans arriving! Lesson learned for next time. Lucky! One big loss was the Stalino cities. I lost all of those factories in one swoop of panzers that I didn’t think was possible. Still, I think I end up in pretty good shape, saving:
- All the weapons factories I wanted to keep
- 205 HI, 328 Armaments, 135 vehicle (all)
Even though I got beaten up pretty good and made some mistakes, I really enjoyed the fighting retreat strategy. My opponent has taken Leningrad and Stalino, but not Moscow, and I still have Tula, Voronej, so geographically I am fairly satisfied. Not a resounding defensive victory, but could have been worse. Except for Leningrad, which is a big one, I am doing better than historical I think. I think I under-defended Leningrad, but put up a good fight in the south. It seems impossible to defend all three Leningrad, Moscow, AGS. I think one can do 2. It would be interesting to try a different combination, such as defend Leningrad and Moscow and leave the south wide open and see how far east the Germans go, sometimes it seems terrain slows them down more than Russian ants in the south.
I can also imagine how a run-run strategy would be advantageous. The only strong units you have as Russian in 1941 are the one present on June 22nd. The units you get after that are mostly 1=1 ants that have only one use, their ZOC. So if one retreats quickly and far east until you can combine the strong early units with a sea of 1=1 ants, you probably can build a pretty strong defense in depth. And it seems the Germans sometimes get as worn out by terrain as by the soviet defense (not saying much for the Red Army…). That would be pretty boring though, at least to me.
Factory evacuation-wise, I started evacuating the wrong way though I think, trying to evacuate everything west of the Dnepr, including all the HI, which is prohibitive in terms of rail points. And after doing some calculations I think one can actually give up all the HI west of the Dnepr and be fine even if I save all the Armament factories and all the weapons factories I want to keep. I realized this early enough to figure out a recovery plan to give up a bunch of HI in cities directly east of the Dnepr to have enough rail points for Armament and weapons factories. But it was just-in-time, as I was evacuating barely ahead of the Germans arriving! Lesson learned for next time. Lucky! One big loss was the Stalino cities. I lost all of those factories in one swoop of panzers that I didn’t think was possible. Still, I think I end up in pretty good shape, saving:
- All the weapons factories I wanted to keep
- 205 HI, 328 Armaments, 135 vehicle (all)