Re: What was I thinking?
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 1:17 am
It is now February 7, 1942. Singapore fell on the 6th (yesterday). Palembang may fall to an attack today.
The oil in China had been sucked dry before I started putting oil into Singapore. In 3 days it has magically teleported 11 tons to Port Arthur and even 2 tons to Fusan. Not realistic but I will take it. Appears the highway is already working.RangerJoe wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 2:00 pm If you don't want the resources/oil from the Malay peninsula stockpiling at Singapore, stop the flow at the base one hex away. Move oil from Western Sumatra to Georgetown and then it will move elsewhere. As soon as you can, get a longer part of the magic highway working. There is a way to get fuel from Urumchi to Port Arthur.
If the refineries elsewhere are also producing supplies, I would leave them on so you won't have to move supplies to that area. If they are producing a surplus of supplies, then those supplies can be moved elsewhere on ships that are not economical to move fuel. However, to remove a glut of fuel and/or if you have a surplus of cargo ships including transports, then move fuel in those ships. But I believe that it is best not to expand/repair refineries for the Japanese at this time, maybe later you can do so. Oil doesn't spoil but fuel does spoil but there is a limit to how much oil can be stored at an oil producing base. You will need the fuel in the DEI area so you probably should keep the refineries running.
Yes, if Jahore Bahru is stockpiling resources, oil, and fuel then none of that from the Malay peninsula will go to Singapore. Instead it should travel to Saigon or past that. If you have to do so, you can dump resources in China and have them flow to Shanghai/Port Arthur/Fusan for loading. If Port Arthur is sucked dry of oil, oil will flow there. Including from Urumchi if/when you capture it.Mike McCreery wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 4:46 pmThe oil in China had been sucked dry before I started putting oil into Singapore. In 3 days it has magically teleported 11 tons to Port Arthur and even 2 tons to Fusan. Not realistic but I will take it. Appears the highway is already working.RangerJoe wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 2:00 pm If you don't want the resources/oil from the Malay peninsula stockpiling at Singapore, stop the flow at the base one hex away. Move oil from Western Sumatra to Georgetown and then it will move elsewhere. As soon as you can, get a longer part of the magic highway working. There is a way to get fuel from Urumchi to Port Arthur.
If the refineries elsewhere are also producing supplies, I would leave them on so you won't have to move supplies to that area. If they are producing a surplus of supplies, then those supplies can be moved elsewhere on ships that are not economical to move fuel. However, to remove a glut of fuel and/or if you have a surplus of cargo ships including transports, then move fuel in those ships. But I believe that it is best not to expand/repair refineries for the Japanese at this time, maybe later you can do so. Oil doesn't spoil but fuel does spoil but there is a limit to how much oil can be stored at an oil producing base. You will need the fuel in the DEI area so you probably should keep the refineries running.
What do you mean by 'Stop the flow' of the resources to Singapore? The only thing I can think of is to turn on resource gathering at Johore Bahru? (the adjacent city)
I have too much fuel at Palembang and have to immediately reduce supplies. 220K vs storage max 130K. Once a glut of that is removed the remainder can be shipped east to replace the large fuel stocks at Truck and probably put a bunch at Ambon to service the Banda sea region.
My plan is to use as little fuel sailing around as possible to maximize the length of time I can hold out in game. Would rather sit and be reactive mostly than try to be proactive and burn a lot of fuel. Not into the sit and react phase yet though.
Very good suggestions, thank you.RangerJoe wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 5:28 pmYes, if Jahore Bahru is stockpiling resources, oil, and fuel then none of that from the Malay peninsula will go to Singapore. Instead it should travel to Saigon or past that. If you have to do so, you can dump resources in China and have them flow to Shanghai/Port Arthur/Fusan for loading. If Port Arthur is sucked dry of oil, oil will flow there. Including from Urumchi if/when you capture it.Mike McCreery wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 4:46 pmThe oil in China had been sucked dry before I started putting oil into Singapore. In 3 days it has magically teleported 11 tons to Port Arthur and even 2 tons to Fusan. Not realistic but I will take it. Appears the highway is already working.RangerJoe wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 2:00 pm If you don't want the resources/oil from the Malay peninsula stockpiling at Singapore, stop the flow at the base one hex away. Move oil from Western Sumatra to Georgetown and then it will move elsewhere. As soon as you can, get a longer part of the magic highway working. There is a way to get fuel from Urumchi to Port Arthur.
If the refineries elsewhere are also producing supplies, I would leave them on so you won't have to move supplies to that area. If they are producing a surplus of supplies, then those supplies can be moved elsewhere on ships that are not economical to move fuel. However, to remove a glut of fuel and/or if you have a surplus of cargo ships including transports, then move fuel in those ships. But I believe that it is best not to expand/repair refineries for the Japanese at this time, maybe later you can do so. Oil doesn't spoil but fuel does spoil but there is a limit to how much oil can be stored at an oil producing base. You will need the fuel in the DEI area so you probably should keep the refineries running.
What do you mean by 'Stop the flow' of the resources to Singapore? The only thing I can think of is to turn on resource gathering at Johore Bahru? (the adjacent city)
I have too much fuel at Palembang and have to immediately reduce supplies. 220K vs storage max 130K. Once a glut of that is removed the remainder can be shipped east to replace the large fuel stocks at Truck and probably put a bunch at Ambon to service the Banda sea region.
My plan is to use as little fuel sailing around as possible to maximize the length of time I can hold out in game. Would rather sit and be reactive mostly than try to be proactive and burn a lot of fuel. Not into the sit and react phase yet though.
At Palembang, I would stop the refineries until the fuel glut is removed. You may want to move some fuel from Osthaven to Java. In the meantime, you can always load xAKs with fuel and then disband them in port for unloading later if you don't want to use those to actually move the fuel.
You are most welcome.Mike McCreery wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 5:44 pmVery good suggestions, thank you.RangerJoe wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 5:28 pmYes, if Jahore Bahru is stockpiling resources, oil, and fuel then none of that from the Malay peninsula will go to Singapore. Instead it should travel to Saigon or past that. If you have to do so, you can dump resources in China and have them flow to Shanghai/Port Arthur/Fusan for loading. If Port Arthur is sucked dry of oil, oil will flow there. Including from Urumchi if/when you capture it.Mike McCreery wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 4:46 pm
The oil in China had been sucked dry before I started putting oil into Singapore. In 3 days it has magically teleported 11 tons to Port Arthur and even 2 tons to Fusan. Not realistic but I will take it. Appears the highway is already working.
What do you mean by 'Stop the flow' of the resources to Singapore? The only thing I can think of is to turn on resource gathering at Johore Bahru? (the adjacent city)
I have too much fuel at Palembang and have to immediately reduce supplies. 220K vs storage max 130K. Once a glut of that is removed the remainder can be shipped east to replace the large fuel stocks at Truck and probably put a bunch at Ambon to service the Banda sea region.
My plan is to use as little fuel sailing around as possible to maximize the length of time I can hold out in game. Would rather sit and be reactive mostly than try to be proactive and burn a lot of fuel. Not into the sit and react phase yet though.
At Palembang, I would stop the refineries until the fuel glut is removed. You may want to move some fuel from Osthaven to Java. In the meantime, you can always load xAKs with fuel and then disband them in port for unloading later if you don't want to use those to actually move the fuel.
Don't know why I waited a month of real time to go back over this post again in my mind, but here it is: March is too late to secure Rabaul. If you wait until the end of March before securing it, you can basically cross off any other SoPac early war target.Mike McCreery wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 1:37 am Hopefully I can be here by mid march at the latest, worrying about the amphib bonus and I want troops on ground before I lose that.
Agree. Oil is more important to you than fuel given a choice between the two. And with excess refining capacity in the home islands, moving oil there (and allowing refining in the home islands to produce supply there) is helpful too. Refining at Palembang is super nice to have, but I wouldn't spend a bunch of supply to repair it or expand it.RangerJoe wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 2:00 pm But I believe that it is best not to expand/repair refineries for the Japanese at this time, maybe later you can do so. Oil doesn't spoil but fuel does spoil but there is a limit to how much oil can be stored at an oil producing base. You will need the fuel in the DEI area so you probably should keep the refineries running.
Yes. Priorities for acceleration. If (when) it's an option for you, good ASW vessels are very valuable for the Japanese post-1942. Some of the "Number class" of ASW patrol vessels for the Japanese start coming in in late 1943-early 1944. Finally good depth charges and ASW ratings of 14+ (!)
Again good advice. Many submarines aren't really necessary to build, let alone accelerate. I tend to halt production of submarines post-1943 and will selectively turn a few back on to replace subs that have been lost.Stop your cargo submarines, build your float plane carrying submarines. Japanese submarines get the worst of it after Allied ASW improves but can be useful. The Glens can be used as early warning systems later but initially can be used to find enemy convoy routes as well as to inspect enemy bases in his rear areas. That is, if you want the KB to go play there!
Yes, CVEs use merchant points. Doesn't matter really. The late war Japanese CVEs are total POS and not worth building, let alone accelerating. Good advice about the xAK and merchant fleet build out too.For the merchant points, I believe that some warships like CVEs use those points. The CS class vessels may also use merchant points but I don't remember. Stop all of the smaller xAKs except for the useful ones that can convert, but I wouldn't build and ships below the Standard C class vessels.
The other two can be done in Singapore or Hong Kong. Because these take so long to convert, I generally hedge my bets and keep a couple CSs working while I convert a couple. One unconverted CS goes with KB for scouting. The other unconverted CS goes with mini-KB and is fitted with float fighters and aviators trained in both A2A and naval search. When used for CAP, these float fighters provide capable point defense, allowing the 'normal' fighters to escort TBs or DBs from mini-KB.If you are going to convert your CS class vessels into CVLs, two of those have to be done at Tokyo with 100 point Repair Shipyards.