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By the way, I invite all of you to visit factcheck.org to see how blatantly preposterous both sides' claims are. As best I can tell, the site appears to be fairly neutral - it calls them both liars.

Call me optimist, but I never believed more than 50% of what any of these guys say. It's preposterous how the populace just believes in everything they hear from their predilete left-wing or right-wing TV channel.

Someone once said that "the bigger the lie, the easier to convince the population". Don't remember who that was; perhaps Hitler.

F.

I'll be voting against the candidate I consider the greater of two evils and hoping the damage isn't too great by the time 2008 rolls around.

I've been doing that for the last thirty years

Is this supposed to be a good example of American style democracy we are trying to export to other regions of the world? Who would want it?

I wonder what our constitution would like if the founding fathers had a chance see some of the crap that’s going on now.

Oh well way to many brave men in our past fought and died to get us here, the least I can do is my best to hand this great experiment onto the next generation

"Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong!" Stephen Decatur April 1816

ORIGINAL: fbastos

By the way, I invite all of you to visit factcheck.org to see how blatantly preposterous both sides' claims are. As best I can tell, the site appears to be fairly neutral - it calls them both liars.

Call me optimist, but I never believed more than 50% of what any of these guys say. It's preposterous how the populace just believes in everything they hear from their predilete left-wing or right-wing TV channel.

Someone once said that "the bigger the lie, the easier to convince the population". Don't remember who that was; perhaps Hitler.

F.

I agree. I tend to listen to conservative talk shows and watch liberalist news shows, and I take what both groups say and claim with a grain of salt. What tickes me off is when you have people that watch Michael Moore's "Farenheit 9/11", and like zombies beilive everything in it without question, or those who watch Dick Morris' "FarenHype 9/11" and belive it like zombies too. It is those people, who believe anything that people tell them, who will kill democracy. Basically, take what the conservatives say, what the liberals say, and the truth is (hopefully) in between.

Did anyone hear Kerry's speech in Wisconsin the other day, when he was exhorting the crowd to go out and start asking people about who they were voting for and such? Like there is ANYTHING that we haven't heard 50 million times in the last year?

If someone walked up to me on the street and wanted to buttonhole me on one of the campaigns, I would tell them to go take a flying leap!

I always thought that trying to force people to tell who the were voting for was against the law.... Maybe its legal in Kerryland [:D]

Hi.

Sorry I drew you in. But reading some of the other posts was kind of amazing, so it's nice to have positive proof that not only one political spectrum is present around here. Thanks!!!

Same to you, X. [:)]

Interesting post, and factcheck.org is a good link. [:)]

By the way, isn't holding back the patch against US law? Disabling pursuit of happiness?

ORIGINAL: forranger

Interesting post, and factcheck.org is a good link. [:)]

By the way, isn't holding back the patch against US law? Disabling pursuit of happiness?

No, withholding the patch is more like "cruel and unusual punishment".

ORIGINAL: Bodhi
withholding the patch is more like "cruel and unusual punishment".

Inciting public unrest? Turning wargamers into political warmongers? Blocking access to Nirvana?

ORIGINAL: forranger

ORIGINAL: Bodhi
withholding the patch is more like "cruel and unusual punishment".

Inciting public unrest? Turning wargamers into political warmongers? Blocking access to Nirvana?

On the contrary, the patch, or rather the lack of it, can help you enter Nirvana.

Not thinking about anything is zen. Once you know this, walking, standing, sitting, or lying down, everything you do is zen. To know that the mind is empty is to see the buddha… Using the mind to look for reality is delusion. Not using the mind to look for reality is awareness. Freeing oneself from waiting for the patch is liberation.

ORIGINAL: Bodhi
On the contrary, the patch, or rather the lack of it, can help you enter Nirvana.

Not thinking about anything is zen. Once you know this, walking, standing, sitting, or lying down, everything you do is zen. To know that the mind is empty is to see the buddha… Using the mind to look for reality is delusion. Not using the mind to look for reality is awareness. Freeing oneself from waiting for the patch is liberation.

Wise words, tough to implement for the average mortal. I'll have to dig out Hesse's Siddharta once again one of these days......

ORIGINAL: Bodhi
Not thinking about anything is zen.

I'll censor my thoughts linking a certain well known politician with zen..... [;)]

I'll censor my thoughts linking a certain well known politician with zen.....

Oh, rats.. I know I'll hate myself later... but I'll wash my hands.

Okay, here goes, for all of the latent masochistic punsters out there.

"But, that was zen. This is now.!"

Okay, I got that horrible one out of my system.

Now, WHERE IS THE PATCH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

ORIGINAL: forranger

Boy have you been brainwashed by Bush's spin doctors....... Ever been taught to use your own brain? I've never seen such a poor piece of propaganda.

ORIGINAL: MadmanRick

Your zenophobia and right-wing manifesto have NO place in this forum, in support of your crusader or not. Refrain from espousing your brand of Fox News inspired history, for the good of us all? This is a forum for War In The Pacific, if you need an outlet for your anger/hate/ignorance, a google search for O'Reilly/Coulter/Limbaugh will lead you to the promised land. Thank you,

Rick

[:D]

I voted, whew!

I voted for Harper.

Opp, that was on June 21 !

Vote for Nader, duh

ORIGINAL: MadmanRick

Your zenophobia and right-wing manifesto have NO place in this forum, in support of your crusader or not. Refrain from espousing your brand of Fox News inspired history, for the good of us all? This is a forum for War In The Pacific, if you need an outlet for your anger/hate/ignorance, a google search for O'Reilly/Coulter/Limbaugh will lead you to the promised land. Thank you,

Rick

Everytime I go back and see this I stick another 12 pins in my kerry voodoo doll.......

I voted once, Pepsi tastes much better then Coke [:D]

Just read Frags post.....loved it! Unfortunatly I saw MadmanRick's rant again and have now runout of pins for my Kerry doll,causing a morning crisis here! Rick,I hope you are happy now![:'(]

Unfortunatly I saw MadmanRick's rant again and have now runout of pins for my Kerry doll,causing a morning crisis here! Rick,I hope you are happy now!

And you wonder why I'm called the "madman"? I am quite happy about many things, but some I just seeth about and still others don't bother me at all! So I guess in the end perhaps its' called well adjusted? Of perhaps being comfortable in my own skin?

Rick

ORIGINAL: Tophat

Just read Frags post.....loved it! Unfortunatly I saw MadmanRick's rant again and have now runout of pins for my Kerry doll,causing a morning crisis here! Rick,I hope you are happy now![:'(]

Just called Home Defense Ministry. You have confessed a clear case of doll terrorism. Sorry buddy, you're gonna be taken away to Guantanamo detention camp until you repent your evil deeds and denounce your terror network! [8D]