RE: Letter: Mr. Downer 01/15/1942
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:26 am
Classification
*Top Secret*
*Not to be opened before 16th January 1992.*
Printed copy of meeting between
Mr John Downer
Principle Secretary to the Prime Minister
and
John Curtin
Prime Minister
19:00Hrs 16th January 1942
*Not to be opened before 16th January 1992.*
Australian Federal Archives Office (Canberra).
PM: Good evening John.
JD: Good evening Prime Minister.
PM: So what do you have for me tonight?
JD: Well John, I was hoping to discuss the latest letter from Mr Thayne.
PM: Ah yes.
JD: Seems that the Americans wish us to choose whom will be the over-all commander of allied forces in this region.
PM Indeed?
JD: Yes they have put forward four names, all of which are in the briefing papers that you would have received earlier this afternoon.
PM: Yes.
JD: And I must say that is a very masterful diplomatic tactic.
PM: Yes John, my thoughts also.
JD: If we choose then the Americans...
PM: You mean Roosevelt.
JD: .........er yes, President Roosevelt can then say that we having nothing more to complain about as....
PM: ..........whom ever we choose was just that, our choice.
JD: Yes John, exactly so.
PM: So John what do you think?
JD: Well there is little choice for us, Mr Thayne is somewhat insistent that we make a decision and make is fast, and I must admit to being in agreement with him. At this point we are still blundering around with little in the way of unified command, and this is leading to resources being squandered and miss used, hell just look at the bloody mess that the ABDA has left in it's path. No Mr Thayne is correct, we need to make a choice and sooner would be better than latter.
PM: Yes indeed, but which of the four should we choose?
JD: Well Brett is here in Australia now, and has been named as the over all commander of American forces in Australia, seems that he is a capable sort.
PM: Uh huh.
JD: Then there is Brereton, seen as an able planner, more than likely better suited to staff work rather than that of a commander.
PM: Yes I agree.
JD: Thompson, really good bloke from all reports, doing or was doing a wonderful job in the Philippines with next to nothing and so may seem on the surface just the sort of fellow that we are looking for.
PM: And the last recommendation?
JD: Ah yes, we come to a Mr Douglas McArthur, from all accounts he is seen as some one whom is in love with his own over blown image of himself and somewhat stuffed things up in the Philippines to such a degree that he was sacked. Not the type of person that we could really use I should think.
PM: Well lets not be too hasty John, maybe we need to think this through a bit more.
JD: For what reason sir? I don't see how this McArthur fellow could be of any possible use, why he even clashes with Mr Thayne, whom I think was secretly glad to see him gone.
PM: Really? Now that is interesting.
JD: And we must remember Prime Minister, that whom ever we choose we must be able to get on with.
PM: Indeed John, what we are look for is someone whom has the same interests as we do, namely to prevent the Japanese from landing here, but not only that, we are looking for some one whom will fight as if it is their last fight, and have the connections to get the men and material that they need to do the job.
JD: John you can't be seriously considering McArthur?
PM: More so John, infact I think that we have found our man, lets look at the pros, one, he has been dismissed in shame and so will fight not only to win, but if I read McArthur correctly, will fight to win and see his name in lights as the one person whom single handed won the fight, this is his last chance to shine and he will know that. Two, he has some very good connections back in Washington DC which will prove useful to us in our constant battle to get supplies and aircraft. Three, he has been making a lot of noise about how the war should be fought against Japan, and he is saying that the counter strike should come from the North of Australia back up into the Philippines, which dovetails with our desire to see Australia protected.
JD: But he clashes with Thayne...
PM: Which is a good thing John. If McArthur is going to stage a counter offensive from Australia, he is going to have to clash with Thayne, remember John, Thayne is an American whom will be looking at the big picture, the American big picture, McArthur will be looking at only his own picture, which just happens to fit our needs also.
JD: But will we be able to control him?
PM: You miss the point John, we don't want to control him, we want to let him loose. No I think that Mr McArthur is the men that we want. Let Thayne know, and also advise him that Blamey is to be commander of Australian forces, second in command to McArthur.
JD: Yes Prime Minister.
*Top Secret*
*Not to be opened before 16th January 1992.*
Printed copy of meeting between
Mr John Downer
Principle Secretary to the Prime Minister
and
John Curtin
Prime Minister
19:00Hrs 16th January 1942
*Not to be opened before 16th January 1992.*
Australian Federal Archives Office (Canberra).
PM: Good evening John.
JD: Good evening Prime Minister.
PM: So what do you have for me tonight?
JD: Well John, I was hoping to discuss the latest letter from Mr Thayne.
PM: Ah yes.
JD: Seems that the Americans wish us to choose whom will be the over-all commander of allied forces in this region.
PM Indeed?
JD: Yes they have put forward four names, all of which are in the briefing papers that you would have received earlier this afternoon.
PM: Yes.
JD: And I must say that is a very masterful diplomatic tactic.
PM: Yes John, my thoughts also.
JD: If we choose then the Americans...
PM: You mean Roosevelt.
JD: .........er yes, President Roosevelt can then say that we having nothing more to complain about as....
PM: ..........whom ever we choose was just that, our choice.
JD: Yes John, exactly so.
PM: So John what do you think?
JD: Well there is little choice for us, Mr Thayne is somewhat insistent that we make a decision and make is fast, and I must admit to being in agreement with him. At this point we are still blundering around with little in the way of unified command, and this is leading to resources being squandered and miss used, hell just look at the bloody mess that the ABDA has left in it's path. No Mr Thayne is correct, we need to make a choice and sooner would be better than latter.
PM: Yes indeed, but which of the four should we choose?
JD: Well Brett is here in Australia now, and has been named as the over all commander of American forces in Australia, seems that he is a capable sort.
PM: Uh huh.
JD: Then there is Brereton, seen as an able planner, more than likely better suited to staff work rather than that of a commander.
PM: Yes I agree.
JD: Thompson, really good bloke from all reports, doing or was doing a wonderful job in the Philippines with next to nothing and so may seem on the surface just the sort of fellow that we are looking for.
PM: And the last recommendation?
JD: Ah yes, we come to a Mr Douglas McArthur, from all accounts he is seen as some one whom is in love with his own over blown image of himself and somewhat stuffed things up in the Philippines to such a degree that he was sacked. Not the type of person that we could really use I should think.
PM: Well lets not be too hasty John, maybe we need to think this through a bit more.
JD: For what reason sir? I don't see how this McArthur fellow could be of any possible use, why he even clashes with Mr Thayne, whom I think was secretly glad to see him gone.
PM: Really? Now that is interesting.
JD: And we must remember Prime Minister, that whom ever we choose we must be able to get on with.
PM: Indeed John, what we are look for is someone whom has the same interests as we do, namely to prevent the Japanese from landing here, but not only that, we are looking for some one whom will fight as if it is their last fight, and have the connections to get the men and material that they need to do the job.
JD: John you can't be seriously considering McArthur?
PM: More so John, infact I think that we have found our man, lets look at the pros, one, he has been dismissed in shame and so will fight not only to win, but if I read McArthur correctly, will fight to win and see his name in lights as the one person whom single handed won the fight, this is his last chance to shine and he will know that. Two, he has some very good connections back in Washington DC which will prove useful to us in our constant battle to get supplies and aircraft. Three, he has been making a lot of noise about how the war should be fought against Japan, and he is saying that the counter strike should come from the North of Australia back up into the Philippines, which dovetails with our desire to see Australia protected.
JD: But he clashes with Thayne...
PM: Which is a good thing John. If McArthur is going to stage a counter offensive from Australia, he is going to have to clash with Thayne, remember John, Thayne is an American whom will be looking at the big picture, the American big picture, McArthur will be looking at only his own picture, which just happens to fit our needs also.
JD: But will we be able to control him?
PM: You miss the point John, we don't want to control him, we want to let him loose. No I think that Mr McArthur is the men that we want. Let Thayne know, and also advise him that Blamey is to be commander of Australian forces, second in command to McArthur.
JD: Yes Prime Minister.







