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This isnt PDU in PDU it is going to be a lot worse with no oscars or zekes every IJA Gp will be Tonies/Tojos or Franks
 
Every IJN (non Carrier) will be in Georges or Jacks.
 
I think PDU may be impossible for the allies in 44
 
Anyway time will tell

In a game where India isn't captured, I would think it would be possible for the Allies to set up some training areas in Burma in 43. Plus with PDU's it is easier to train in obsolete planes and then upgrade to frontline units once the pilots are trained up.

Can you some set up some training units on Kavieng or some of those bypassed bases in PNG?

But at what a cost........

Today my fleet ran straight into a KB that I thought was still in yard hands.

PZB is reinvading Zamboanga and managed to get a lot of troops ashore. My Carriers ignored the trasnports and attacked the Pheonix like KB sinking (I hope 5 Carriers and a CVL) but his heavy surface units are unscathed and despite losing a lot of aircraft I lost c 250 USN pilots.

Zamboanga is lost unless I divert the Borneo invasion force and I suspect they cannot get there in time so I will go on to Borneo.

I have to expect that Zamboanga will be taken by the Japanese a la Kai Island.

I have never been so depressed over a crushing victory.

I will stay with my initial drop dead line if I lose 150 more pilots then Borneo/ Singapore and West PI will be undertaken only via Land Based Air Cover which will greatly slow down the move forward.

Obviously my Hellcat pool is empty again as well but it is pilots that worry me.

The losses I suffered at the marianas plus those I am suffering here make me very depressed.

The USN has been bled white and with only 60 replacement pilots a month I am unsure how I will be able to progress in 45.

I will say this a deep strike against Hainan or Formosa is OFF and I am reconsidering the Singapore op. I must advance under LBA cover.

God only knows how the allies are expected to attack if PDU's were in operation and it was Tonies/Tojos and Jacks instead of Zekes and Oscars.

I suspect that PZB thinks the loss of 5 carriers is a disaster but while a tactical defeat I think this battle is at best a strategic draw.

Andy
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/28/44

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Day Air attack on TF at 38,57

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 301

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 144
F4U-1D Corsair x 26
Corsair IV x 7
SB2C Helldiver x 196
TBM Avenger x 149
SOC-3 Seagull x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 219 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 82 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 15 destroyed
Corsair IV: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 16 destroyed, 25 damaged
TBM Avenger: 20 destroyed, 39 damaged
SOC-3 Seagull: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Ikoma, Bomb hits 21, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Shimozuki, Bomb hits 1
CV Kasagi, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CV Aso, Bomb hits 18, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Teruzuki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 6

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 37,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 40
D4Y Judy x 60
B7A Grace x 9

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 302
F4U-1D Corsair x 36
Corsair IV x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 40 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 39 destroyed
B7A Grace: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 23 destroyed, 9 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 37,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13
B7A Grace x 16

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 279
F4U-1D Corsair x 36
Corsair IV x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 13 destroyed
B7A Grace: 16 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 38,57

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 45

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 98
F4U-1D Corsair x 18
Corsair IV x 6
SB2C Helldiver x 135
TBM Avenger x 76
SOC-3 Seagull x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 45 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 12 destroyed, 5 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 5 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 15 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 26, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Hosho, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 6

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 42,69

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 13 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota, Bomb hits 1
BB Iowa, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 4
D4Y Judy x 20

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 199
F4U-1D Corsair x 25
Corsair IV x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 13 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged

I expect Zamboanga to fall tomorrow and I am withdrawing my Carriers a little to screen the TF's heading towards Borneo.
 
I should be happier than this to sink 5 Carriers

Well what a turn I forgot to stand down my bombers and they went in to sink 2 Jap CVE's ..... the pilot and plane losses were not worth it.....

I lost another 150 USN pilots today so I am right on the edge of go/no go.

I have decided to GO although I accept this may be the wrong decison.

One CVE actually sank and a 2nd will sink tomorrow fortunately I managed to get the air group off of the carrier that will sink today. The damaged CVE's Wildcats will be used on my Fleet Carriers.

Yup thats right folks Wildcats are going back on USN Fleet Carrirs as its the only way to have any fighters at all I have plenty of F4U1D's but only three sqns of USN able to take them.

My CVR's managed to avoid damage and they will suffice to bring my fleet carriers up to about 90% of complement of aircraft and 100% on pilots but thats it the cupboard isa now bare.

I have plenty of Marine pilots but I am out of USN ones and all the pilots I will get next will be 30 xp ones. I need options folk any bright ideas ?

The only one I have is to start using Marine F4U1D Sqns on carriers but I am not sure thats fair on PZB despite the fact that the F4U1D is now officially carrier operatable. I had been avoiding using F4U1D Marine Sqns on Carriers as it causes a lot of ill feelings in 43 not sure if that should apply in late 44 before I raise it with PZB I would like opinions ?

Andy





AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/29/44

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 6
TF 6 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
126 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 14
TF 14 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
114 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 23
TF 23 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 30
TF 30 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
89 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 39
TF 39 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
155 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 41
TF 41 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
177 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 43
TF 43 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


2 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
151 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 45
TF 45 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
190 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 64
TF 64 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
184 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 69
TF 69 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


2 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
MSW Tama Maru #3

Japanese ground losses:
182 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 71
TF 71 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 72
TF 72 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
126 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 75
TF 75 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


2 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 76
TF 76 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
98 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 77
TF 77 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
205 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 78
TF 78 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
214 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 79
TF 79 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 80
TF 80 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
106 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 82
TF 82 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
155 casualties reported

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ASW attack at 35,46

Japanese Ships
MSW W.14
PC Shonan Maru #17
PC Fumi Maru #3
PG Nikkai Maru
PG Nanpo Maru
PG Chosa Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #5

Allied Ships
SS Picuda, hits 3, on fire

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Night Air attack on Zamboanga , at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Zamboanga , at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 8

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 6
TF 6 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 14
TF 14 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 23
TF 23 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 30
TF 30 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
140 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 39
TF 39 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


2 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PC PC-19

Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 41
TF 41 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 43
TF 43 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
84 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 45
TF 45 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
191 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 64
TF 64 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 69
TF 69 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 71
TF 71 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 72
TF 72 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 77
TF 77 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
168 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 79
TF 79 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 80
TF 80 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 82
TF 82 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese Ships
DD Asagao

Japanese ground losses:
165 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 24
B6N Jill x 16
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 35
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 69

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 84

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
35 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
34 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
14 x B6N Jill bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B6N Jill bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 124
B6N Jill x 79
B7A Grace x 45
G4M2 Betty x 25

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 144

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
8 x B6N Jill bombing at 12000 feet
27 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
19 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
21 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
17 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
14 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71


Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 5
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 12


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78


Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 29


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Sorong , at 42,74

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79


Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 8
B-25J Mitchell x 29


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Biak , at 46,77


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 17


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 5
P-40N Warhawk x 6
B-24J Liberator x 33


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 38

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81


Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 3
Spitfire VIII x 6
A-20G Havoc x 10


No Allied losses

Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 93


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 122

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
22 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
7 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 23

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1
B-24J Liberator x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th Base Force, at 45,76


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
Kittyhawk I x 3
Kittyhawk III x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 18
Beaufort V-IX x 4
F-5C Lightning x 1
A-20G Havoc x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 29


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
173 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
5 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 86th Naval Guard Unit, at 45,76


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
Kittyhawk I x 6
Kittyhawk III x 10
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 41
A-20G Havoc x 6
B-25J Mitchell x 14
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 57


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
7 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
5 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
5 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
5 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
15 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
21 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
18 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th/B Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF at 39,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 8
A6M5 Zeke x 26
A6M5c Zeke x 25
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 8

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 88
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
Corsair IV x 6
SB2C Helldiver x 110
TBM Avenger x 48
SOC-3 Seagull x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 8 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
A6M5c Zeke: 18 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 54 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 44 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
SB2C Helldiver: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged
TBM Avenger: 4 destroyed, 15 damaged
SOC-3 Seagull: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVE Chuyo, Bomb hits 19, on fire, heavy damage
DD Momo
CVE Shinyo, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Take

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x SOC-3 Seagull bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 39,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 11
A6M5c Zeke x 3

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 5
TBM Avenger x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVE Shinyo, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 39,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 9
A6M5c Zeke x 2

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 5
SB2C Helldiver x 40
TBM Avenger x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVE Shinyo, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Chuyo, on fire, heavy damage
CS Nisshin, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 2
Ki-48 Lily x 18

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 1
F4U-1D Corsair x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed
Ki-48 Lily: 18 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
CVE Natoma Bay, Kamikaze hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 24

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 1
F4U-1D Corsair x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 24 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CVE Liscome Bay, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
CVE Petrof Bay, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
CVE Prince William, Kamikaze hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 56,63

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Ewa, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-21 Sally attacking at 100 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally attacking at 100 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 46,73

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 16 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Manila Bay, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
CVE St. Lo

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Wotje , at 82,79


Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 7
B-25J Mitchell x 15


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Davao at 41,61


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 4
TBM Avenger x 13


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Tsunushima Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 106
N1K1-J George x 8
J2M Jack x 45
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 8
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 7

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 39,58

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 9
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 3
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 10 destroyed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 106
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 33
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 4 destroyed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 106
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 33
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 5 destroyed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 106
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 33
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 5 destroyed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 106
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 33
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 5 destroyed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 106
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 33
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 2 destroyed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 39,58

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1
J2M Jack x 2
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 1
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 12

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CVE Shinyo, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Chuyo, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 106
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 33
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 80
F4U-1D Corsair x 18
Corsair IV x 6
SB2C Helldiver x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 95 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
J2M Jack: 36 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 7 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 32 destroyed, 14 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 7 destroyed, 3 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Maya, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27
N1K1-J George x 2
J2M Jack x 6

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Kotobuki Maru #5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27
N1K1-J George x 2
J2M Jack x 6

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27
N1K1-J George x 2
J2M Jack x 6

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 39,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 3
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 9
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 3
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 2 destroyed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 39,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 3
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 9
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 3
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Kitano Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 39,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 3
N1K1-J George x 3
J2M Jack x 14
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 3
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Tsuga

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 24
N1K1-J George x 2

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 20

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Zamboanga at 39,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 24
N1K1-J George x 2

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
PC Etoforu

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 35

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 27 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
CVE Barnes
DE Waterman
CVE Ommaney Bay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CVE Liscome Bay, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 2

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed


Allied Ships
CVE Liscome Bay, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Galeia at 42,68

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Iowa

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 56,63

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Carolinian
AK Steel Mariner

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 56,63

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 22
Ki-21 Sally x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Ewa, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Steel Mariner
AK Edward Luckenbach, Shell hits 4
AK Carolinian, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Susana, Torpedo hits 1
AK Columbian, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Florence Luckenbach


Allied ground losses:
210 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21 Sally attacking at 100 feet
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally attacking at 100 feet
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 46,73

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Manila Bay, on fire


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Makale

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4106 troops, 27 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 283

Defending force 7502 troops, 79 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 172


Japanese ground losses:
2 casualties reported


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Noemfoor

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1435 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 601

Defending force 25204 troops, 96 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 445



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Zamboanga

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1350 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 100

Defending force 26973 troops, 302 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 614


Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Emirau Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 30 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied max assault: 6 - adjusted assault: 8

Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1

OK some more info.
 
I have 3 Unused Hellcat Sqns with about 110 fighters they are in the Marshalls where it was intended to rotate them onto my carriers I will need to redeploy them ASAP to the front.
 
In additoin Saratoga is at Pearl in refit with 40, Yorktown and Intrepid are on the West Coast with Bellau Wood with about another hundred F6F's.
 
I get Hangkock in 15 days and Randolph in 45 so that will give me 5 refitted or new build fleet carriers to reinforce operations but at least 5 att he front now will need a months yard time soon I am running my fleet hard.
 
The CVR's have about 150 Hellcats and enough pilots
 
The pool has 48 in it but no pilots.
 
Overall the situation is not good

Hi Andy,

I've been following this awhile with interest, though this is the first time I've chimed in.

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

The only one I have is to start using Marine F4U1D Sqns on carriers but I am not sure thats fair on PZB despite the fact that the F4U1D is now officially carrier operatable. I had been avoiding using F4U1D Marine Sqns on Carriers as it causes a lot of ill feelings in 43 not sure if that should apply in late 44 before I raise it with PZB I would like opinions ?

IRL, Marine Corsairs were flying off carriers sometime in 1944 (I'm not sure what month) and by Feb 45 at least 8 Marine corsair squadrons were on CVs & (mainly) CVEs. IIRC they were particularly intended to combat the kamikazes. I personally don't think it would be unfair at the date you are, particularly with kamikazes already active and the F4U1D in production. However I agree - certainly raise the issue with PzB first as there's no sense in creating ill-will.

My sourcdes say 10 Sqns on anti Kami duty but I wont fall out with you over it

Four Marine Composite Airgroups were training for deployment aboard escort carriers to provide close air support for Operation Downfall.

The only one I have is to start using Marine F4U1D Sqns on carriers but I am not sure thats fair on PZB despite the fact that the F4U1D is now officially carrier operatable. I had been avoiding using F4U1D Marine Sqns on Carriers as it causes a lot of ill feelings in 43 not sure if that should apply in late 44 before I raise it with PZB I would like opinions ?

What date did the USN start using USMC Corsairs on carriers? If you are past that date then it is historical. I do agree, as a Jap fanboy, that it would be a nasty turn of events but history is history. I just wouldn't want to see them onboard every carrier in the fleet. Plus, aren't the USMC pilots only carrier capable, not carrier trained? If so, your ops losses will go up.

Still, even though your USN pilot pool is empty, 60 replacement pilots a month is far better than the 10 PzB gets. If those trained pilots are mixed in with neophytes, you should be able to train them rather fast using operational missions. PzB has many bases with substantial forces on them that would be perfect for training and and at the same time reduce his troop's effectiveness to the point that you might be able to begin eliminating them in time.

Just my thoughts,

Chez


EDIT: My source indicates that the F4U-1D began carrier operations in November, 1944.

Dates vary but it was late autumn I think so we are not past the date.
 
10 Sqns were assigned to operate off of Essex class carriers to support the fleet in ops around the Phillipines in response to Kamikaze threat so arguably since Kamis are active I should be able to use them and yes Operational losses were very high.
 
Re Pilot replacement while I agree training is possible I will not use it. I accept that my Japanese opponents will in order to make the game interesting but as the allies I refuse 100% to send sqns onto ground attack missions to make them better dogfighters if it happens as a side effect of genuine ground attack missions I will live with it but to organise training "schools" on ground attack is the ultimate in gamey to me.
 
Given that when on ops and winning I lose 200 pilots a day against hordes of Chinese trained pilots 60 are not enough to keep up with losses but I will overcome somehow. I will need to put all sqns in rear areas onto the training mission ASAP and hope it gets them to a reasonable size quickly. (P.s. including newly arrived carriers I am probably getting 150+ per month as all my new carriers arrive with experienced pilots - I assume....)
 
Anyway I dont have the time remember I am on a clock here and I dont have enough sqns that I can divert so to train that way I would need to shut down my carriers for 2 months its just not feasible.
 
Andy

Actually the F4U1D airframe pool is not in great shape either so I doubt it would help much anyway

But any dreams of a USN roaming around the sealanes is a fantasy I am going to have to grind forward. The last few months have proven that the USN cannot operate independently (now in most games this wont be so much of an issue the no. 1 job of the RAF in all my games from now on is closing down the jap training schools in China - this is probably the number 1 stategic objective of the China theatre for me from now on !!!!)

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

But any dreams of a USN roaming around the sealanes is a fantasy I am going to have to grind forward. The last few months have proven that the USN cannot operate independently (now in most games this wont be so much of an issue the no. 1 job of the RAF in all my games from now on is closing down the jap training schools in China - this is probably the number 1 stategic objective of the China theatre for me from now on !!!!)

It seems that production system is somewhat off. Too bad about those Hellcats pools being depleted I mean you will so many squadrons to feed even in carriers not take in consideration of LBA Hellcats.

I thought this game would simulate the hardship for the Japanese side in later years but... anyway at least KB is dealt with and that is excellent news for the allied player.

Also I do agree 100% that it is not easy to control sealanes even at 1944 with your navy.

Can you still push forward? You are in a bad shape, but I doubt he is all fine and well too..

Your transport fleets seem to be so close to Borneo, and from Tarakan you can strike into the east china sea.

When do you get P51`'s? Their performance should be quite equal to corsairs + they have incredible range. And you should have accumulated a massive USAAF pilot pool and you get an additional 200 per month no?

ORIGINAL: String
Can you still push forward? You are in a bad shape, but I doubt he is all fine and well too..

Your transport fleets seem to be so close to Borneo, and from Tarakan you can strike into the east china sea.

When do you get P51`'s? Their performance should be quite equal to corsairs + they have incredible range. And you should have accumulated a massive USAAF pilot pool and you get an additional 200 per month no?

I think part of the problem is you stop accumulating pilots after you double your production. So if you have 200 per month you stop getting any more once you reach 400.

OK now I'm thinking that's for air frame production, not pilots... sigh guess I shouldn't post at 2 AM I can't think too clearly. Either way one or the other stops accumulating and it creates a bottle neck that simply breaks the system given the massive casualties it creates in air combat.

Japan is able to tweak their production numbers so they have double, triple or quadruple the monthly production of air frames the allies have. What we are witnessing in this game is the effect that has overall. Mid 1944 and Japan is STILL out producing the allies.

Where are all the Japanese players who told us their low experienced pilot pools would be the end of them and the allies would have nothing to fear by this time in the game?

As I've said in the past you need to feed the monster to make it work. If you lack enough equipment to feed it, it simply breaks your game. The allies need WAY more production in this game, forget historical production figures they just hamstring the allies because of the massively high non-historic losses everyone suffers. We need to triple production at a minimum for the allies. That goes for pilots too of course.

Jim

I think you have good points Jim. One of my game is in Mid 1944 too againts FDR. I think Japanese have an edge since they can produce the amounts they need or want.
 
As for RHS mod. Well just started a game againts Nemo! I'am already pretty much out of fighters and bombers. Replacement rates are so slow that I'am stuck with flying dead coffins. Needlesly to say it is not too much fun.
 
Yeah, all the time we hear that allied replacement rates should be historical and need tweaking. But what about the Japanese? I mean they can outproduce you with good fighters and bombers. Historically that a laughable since they were struggling from mid 1943 onwards.
 
 

After six months worth of airframes have accumulated in the pool the production stops.

Lack of Hellcats is annoying but I can live with running out of pilots well that is serious in all honesty the thought of PDU's in 44/45 scares me silly.
 
I have P51B's in the pool at presetn but nothing upgrades top them.
 
In reality its my operational tempo thats killing me the last time I really paused was 5 months ago. Even the alllies cannot keep up continuos ops.
 
After the landings in south Borneo I suspect I willl need to stand down for 2 months. Its irritating but I dont think I have a lot of choice. Zamboanga falls as expected all credit to PZB a counter invasion in 44 is a thing of beauty forthe Japs.
 
Andy
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/30/44
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 30
TF 30 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 45
TF 45 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 82
TF 82 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TF 91 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52)
 
Japanese Ships
DD Shimozuki
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Naval bombardment of Zamboanga, at 39,59
 
Japanese Ships
CL Oi
CL Kitakami
CA Chokai
CA Maya
 
 
Allied ground losses:
130 casualties reported
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Coastal Guns at Zamboanga, 39,59, firing at TF 45
TF 45 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
83 casualties reported
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 34
D4Y Judy x 123
B6N Jill x 80
B7A Grace x 44
G4M2 Betty x 27
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 195
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71
 
 
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 5
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 9
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 3 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Sorong , at 42,74
 
 
Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 10
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
 
Runway hits 13
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 6
P-40N Warhawk x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 6
B-25J Mitchell x 25
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
 
Runway hits 15
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Biak , at 46,77
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 2
P-40N Warhawk x 2
B-25J Mitchell x 15
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 5
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 6
P-40N Warhawk x 3
B-24J Liberator x 38
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 32
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81
 
 
Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 3
Spitfire VIII x 6
A-20G Havoc x 10
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 8
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83
 
 
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 8
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 22
 
Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1
PB4Y Liberator x 2
B-24J Liberator x 2
 
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 2 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed
 
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 18th/B Division, at 52,81
 
 
Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1
 
 
No Allied losses
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 1st Amphibious/A Brigade, at 45,76
 
 
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3
Kittyhawk I x 3
Kittyhawk III x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 18
Beaufort V-IX x 3
F-5C Lightning x 1
A-20G Havoc x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 7
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 15
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on 1st Amphibious/B Brigade, at 45,76
 
 
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
Kittyhawk III x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 8
Beaufort V-IX x 3
F-5C Lightning x 1
A-20G Havoc x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 2
B-24J Liberator x 28
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 56,61
 
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 5
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 20
 
Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 damaged
 
Allied Ships
AK Edward Luckenbach, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
AK Columbian, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
 
 
Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 56,61
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 6
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 damaged
 
Allied Ships
AK Steel Mariner
AK Ewa,  on fire
 
Aircraft Attacking:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 2
 
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 26
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
Spitfire VIII x 8
P-38J Lightning x 47
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed
 
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Makale at 32,67
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 3
 
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 damaged
 
Allied Ships
AK Proteus
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Sarmi at 48,78
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 2
 
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
Spitfire VIII x 6
Kittyhawk I x 3
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
 
 
Allied Ships
PT PT-458
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 40,65
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 14
 
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 34
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 14 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 3 damaged
 
Allied Ships
BB Colorado, Kamikaze hits 2
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 40,65
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zeke x 5
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 33
Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 33
 
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 34
 
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zeke: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 33 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 33 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 damaged
 
Allied Ships
BB Colorado, Kamikaze hits 1
LST LST-34
LST LST-468
CA Minneapolis
LST LST-448
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-48 Lily x 4
 
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 26
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
Spitfire VIII x 8
P-38J Lightning x 47
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 4 destroyed
 
 
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-48 Lily x 3
 
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 26
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
Spitfire VIII x 8
P-38J Lightning x 47
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 3 destroyed
 
 
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 14
 
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 26
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
Spitfire VIII x 8
P-38J Lightning x 47
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 14 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 4 damaged
 
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aru Island at 39,80
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 4
 
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 12
P-38J Lightning x 1
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed
 
 
Allied Ships
PT PT-346
 
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Day Air attack on TF at 51,76
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 2
 
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 9
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 damaged
 
Allied Ships
AK Mercury, Kamikaze hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
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Day Air attack on TF at 56,61
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied Ships
AK Columbian, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
 
Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 
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Ground combat at Zamboanga
 
Japanese Shock attack
 
Attacking force 24336 troops, 273 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 619
 
Defending force 5591 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 101
 
Japanese max assault: 1048 - adjusted assault: 821
 
Allied max defense: 83 - adjusted defense: 79
 
Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 0)
 
Japanese forces CAPTURE Zamboanga base !!!
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
no flights
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed
 
Japanese ground losses:
367 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
 
Allied ground losses:
3865 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
 
 
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Ground combat at Makale
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 4130 troops, 28 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 283
 
Defending force 7510 troops, 80 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 172
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
 
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Ground combat at Noemfoor
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 1435 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 608
 
Defending force 24868 troops, 88 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 441
 
 
 
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Ground combat at Emirau Island
 
Allied Shock attack
 
Attacking force 40 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5
 
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
 
Allied max assault: 8 - adjusted assault: 6
 
Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
 
Allied assault odds: 6 to 1
 

p.s. remember that I am only getting about 30% of the historic Hellcat production so the airframe issue while real is a game issue (I still accumulate 144 unusable nightfighter variants per month) but that discusssion has been had already 144 Hellcats is not enough but we are stuck with this low production level for this game so be it.
 
I suspect the pilot issue is more because of the strategic situation where the USN is having to take on the bulk of the effort.
 
I now bitterly regret even attempting the Marianas as it emptied my pilot pool.
 
Just to give an example of scale every time I fill up a CVR to support the fleet I use up 8 weeks worth of USN Pilot production [X(][X(][X(] you know this isnt like it is Iwo or Okinawa where I am attacking the Jap heartland this is the Phillipines for gawd sake where my LBA can lend a hand.
 
Anyone who thinks attacking the homeland in a PDU game with these levels of replacements is kidding themselves on. I am killing thousands of Zekes and Oscars imagine they are Tojos, Tonies, Georges and Jacks and be afraid be very afraid.
 
Andy