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RE: Ambush over Changsha
Risking the whole 2nd Marine Div is something. Who's gonna be there, except for the guns and the base force? I think we're making a big fuss out of nothin' [:D] I doubt he'll come to challenge you there - if he does, he's gonna feel the pain [:)]
Hope that keeping your CVs at Eniwetok, so close from the frontline, won't make them react if KB shows up... I'd hate that!
You're talking about fast transport - do you mean a whole force made of APDs?
Hope that keeping your CVs at Eniwetok, so close from the frontline, won't make them react if KB shows up... I'd hate that!
You're talking about fast transport - do you mean a whole force made of APDs?
RE: Ambush over Changsha
Does your HRs allowed land based IJN zero on board??
If it is allowed, I'm sure your 300 bombers will gain nothing but run a suicide mission[:D]
If it is allowed, I'm sure your 300 bombers will gain nothing but run a suicide mission[:D]

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RE: Ambush over Changsha
ORIGINAL: Fishbed
Risking the whole 2nd Marine Div is something. Who's gonna be there, except for the guns and the base force? I think we're making a big fuss out of nothin' [:D] I doubt he'll come to challenge you there - if he does, he's gonna feel the pain [:)]
Hope that keeping your CVs at Eniwetok, so close from the frontline, won't make them react if KB shows up... I'd hate that!
You're talking about fast transport - do you mean a whole force made of APDs?
Well, don't understimate a well defended atoll...with few forts even few guns and a base force can be a tricky target for a small invasion force!
However the 2nd USMC Div is also scheldued to defend Ponape, not only to conquer it. I wanna play it safe enough. Every base that i conquer must be well garrisoned.
For what concerns CVs...yes, they can react...but i'm positive that the Air force at Eniwetok plus the 4 CVs can be a nasty nut to crack also for the mighty KB...
and Hades...we've already seen near Karachi that even 260 Zeros on CAP cannot stop every single bomber in this Mod...and the 4Es are very difficult to stop...i also have 32 beauforts with torpedoes....i would not send my KB down there if i was trollelite
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RE: Ambush over Changsha
ORIGINAL: hades1001
Does your HRs allowed land based IJN zero on board??
If it is allowed, I'm sure your 300 bombers will gain nothing but run a suicide mission[:D]
Look at here...this happened back in Feb 42, near Karachi....
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Day Air attack on TF at 19,5
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 232
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 2
Martin 139 x 5
Hudson I x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 14 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed
Martin 139: 5 destroyed
Hudson I: 3 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 8 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 19,5
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 232
Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 2
Blenheim I x 8
Blenheim IV x 6
Martin 139 x 2
A-20B Boston x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 16 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb: 2 destroyed
Blenheim I: 8 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed
Martin 139: 2 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 6 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,6
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 2 destroyed
Japanese Ships
DD Ayanami
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Blenheim I bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 19,5
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 184
Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 12
Wirraway x 3
Hurricane IIb x 32
Blenheim I x 14
Blenheim IV x 42
Hudson I x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 12
P-40B Tomahawk x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 15
A-20B Boston x 23
B-25C Mitchell x 14
B-17E Fortress x 6
P-43A Lancer x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 38 destroyed, 38 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
Wirraway: 3 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 26 destroyed
Blenheim I: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
Blenheim IV: 8 destroyed, 24 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 11 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 13 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 13 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 6 destroyed, 10 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged
P-43A Lancer: 4 destroyed
Japanese Ships
BB Ise
CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CV Kaga, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Ryujo
RE: Ambush over Changsha
This mod works well simulating the small amount of aircrafts may break through the cap by a term called "leakage"
however, there is no way that a horde of bombers can break through the cap without much escorts.
small number may made 1 or 2 hits with luck, there is no major damage can be achieved.
another issue is, what's the range did set all your bombers?
my KB will stay at least 5 hex away to avoid the torpedo bombers. Your B25 and 4E doesn't have much chance to make a coordinated stirke.
They will be demolished one wave after another. AND, withing the safe distance the zeros on carriers may even can sweep your base, kill most of your green hand wildcats and whatever other caps. Thus I don't think it is wise to keep your cvs in Eniwetok.
This is classical technic in STOCK GAME. But we still need more examples to prove this theory in Scen 160. Just remind you, hope you good luck.
PS.
I'm now deploying the first turn against trollelite.
however, there is no way that a horde of bombers can break through the cap without much escorts.
small number may made 1 or 2 hits with luck, there is no major damage can be achieved.
another issue is, what's the range did set all your bombers?
my KB will stay at least 5 hex away to avoid the torpedo bombers. Your B25 and 4E doesn't have much chance to make a coordinated stirke.
They will be demolished one wave after another. AND, withing the safe distance the zeros on carriers may even can sweep your base, kill most of your green hand wildcats and whatever other caps. Thus I don't think it is wise to keep your cvs in Eniwetok.
This is classical technic in STOCK GAME. But we still need more examples to prove this theory in Scen 160. Just remind you, hope you good luck.
PS.
I'm now deploying the first turn against trollelite.

As swift as wind;
As calm as wood;
Invasion like flames;
Defense like rocks.
RE: Ambush over Changsha
ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
ORIGINAL: hades1001
Does your HRs allowed land based IJN zero on board??
If it is allowed, I'm sure your 300 bombers will gain nothing but run a suicide mission[:D]
Look at here...this happened back in Feb 42, near Karachi....
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Day Air attack on TF at 19,5
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 232
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 2
Martin 139 x 5
Hudson I x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 14 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed
Martin 139: 5 destroyed
Hudson I: 3 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 8 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 19,5
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 232
Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 2
Blenheim I x 8
Blenheim IV x 6
Martin 139 x 2
A-20B Boston x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 16 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb: 2 destroyed
Blenheim I: 8 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed
Martin 139: 2 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 6 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,6
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 2 destroyed
Japanese Ships
DD Ayanami
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Blenheim I bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 19,5
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 184
Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 12
Wirraway x 3
Hurricane IIb x 32
Blenheim I x 14
Blenheim IV x 42
Hudson I x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 12
P-40B Tomahawk x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 15
A-20B Boston x 23
B-25C Mitchell x 14
B-17E Fortress x 6
P-43A Lancer x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 38 destroyed, 38 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
Wirraway: 3 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 26 destroyed
Blenheim I: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
Blenheim IV: 8 destroyed, 24 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 11 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 13 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 13 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 6 destroyed, 10 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged
P-43A Lancer: 4 destroyed
Japanese Ships
BB Ise
CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CV Kaga, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Ryujo
Well, looks like secn 160 is totally new territory for me. Full of chanllenge, thanks for this report.

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RE: Ambush over Changsha
At Eniwetok there will be an air HQ and 4 radars...so i guess coordination will be possible at some stages.
48 P-38s should be enough for the long range escort purpose.
P-40s and Wildcats will take care of the short range escort missions.
CVs ill be held close to Eniwetok...and a sweep mission over Eniwetok?? Would be a complete waste of pilots for him...i can easily move in more 200 fighters from Maloleap and Wotje...
Anyway, we'll see...i'm looking forward to this battle[:'(]
48 P-38s should be enough for the long range escort purpose.
P-40s and Wildcats will take care of the short range escort missions.
CVs ill be held close to Eniwetok...and a sweep mission over Eniwetok?? Would be a complete waste of pilots for him...i can easily move in more 200 fighters from Maloleap and Wotje...
Anyway, we'll see...i'm looking forward to this battle[:'(]
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RE: Ambush over Changsha
China...the situation is terrible!
There are 11 units (probably brought in by sea) that are advancing flanking my positions at Canton! These movements will completely wreck my southern perimeter...i have to abbandon my positions thereand shrink my overall perimeter!
Now i'll be waiting untill the Nanchang army arrives at Changsha (still few turns), then i'll move back and will try to organize a bran new periemeter...Hankow and Syniang will be abbandoned and we'll retreat our central armies towards Ichang and then Chunking, while in the south we'll try to defend Changsha untill we can, but with a well open aye on the main threat: being cut off from Chungking!...sowe gotta be really carefull now...
[:o]

There are 11 units (probably brought in by sea) that are advancing flanking my positions at Canton! These movements will completely wreck my southern perimeter...i have to abbandon my positions thereand shrink my overall perimeter!
Now i'll be waiting untill the Nanchang army arrives at Changsha (still few turns), then i'll move back and will try to organize a bran new periemeter...Hankow and Syniang will be abbandoned and we'll retreat our central armies towards Ichang and then Chunking, while in the south we'll try to defend Changsha untill we can, but with a well open aye on the main threat: being cut off from Chungking!...sowe gotta be really carefull now...
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RE: Ambush over Changsha
GH, can you elaborate on your reasoning to abandoning Sinyang, Hankow and potentially Wuchow?
I'd think that if you threaten those cities he cannot move much of his forces out to gather elsewhere and you wouldn't really shorten your perimeter in the north, just move it to a more behind location.
I agree that the whole southern railroad connected cities are under threat but if you move back now you will provide him with easy grabs and he has the ability to fortify those so it will be difficult taking them back when the time comes. For instance the city next to Kweilin (Liuchow?) is absolutely critical for the supply to the Hengchow/Changsha area. If you volutarily fall back to this position I believe you are more vulnerable than you would be defending at Wuchow. At least you can postpone any withdrawal until you're 100% certain he wants to outflank (meaning a huge force in the wood hex NE of Wuchow. Due to better infrastructure you would still have plenty of time to withdraw if neccessary.
There is of course also big risk at the crossing NE of Hengchow (NW of Changsha), but unless you loose Changsha I dont believe he can advance the road towards Kweiyang/Tsuyun and cut your forces into two.
I'd think that if you threaten those cities he cannot move much of his forces out to gather elsewhere and you wouldn't really shorten your perimeter in the north, just move it to a more behind location.
I agree that the whole southern railroad connected cities are under threat but if you move back now you will provide him with easy grabs and he has the ability to fortify those so it will be difficult taking them back when the time comes. For instance the city next to Kweilin (Liuchow?) is absolutely critical for the supply to the Hengchow/Changsha area. If you volutarily fall back to this position I believe you are more vulnerable than you would be defending at Wuchow. At least you can postpone any withdrawal until you're 100% certain he wants to outflank (meaning a huge force in the wood hex NE of Wuchow. Due to better infrastructure you would still have plenty of time to withdraw if neccessary.
There is of course also big risk at the crossing NE of Hengchow (NW of Changsha), but unless you loose Changsha I dont believe he can advance the road towards Kweiyang/Tsuyun and cut your forces into two.
If you gained knowledge through the forum, why not putting it into the AE wiki?
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RE: Ambush over Changsha
ORIGINAL: Mistmatz
GH, can you elaborate on your reasoning to abandoning Sinyang, Hankow and potentially Wuchow?
I'd think that if you threaten those cities he cannot move much of his forces out to gather elsewhere and you wouldn't really shorten your perimeter in the north, just move it to a more behind location.
I agree that the whole southern railroad connected cities are under threat but if you move back now you will provide him with easy grabs and he has the ability to fortify those so it will be difficult taking them back when the time comes. For instance the city next to Kweilin (Liuchow?) is absolutely critical for the supply to the Hengchow/Changsha area. If you volutarily fall back to this position I believe you are more vulnerable than you would be defending at Wuchow. At least you can postpone any withdrawal until you're 100% certain he wants to outflank (meaning a huge force in the wood hex NE of Wuchow. Due to better infrastructure you would still have plenty of time to withdraw if neccessary.
There is of course also big risk at the crossing NE of Hengchow (NW of Changsha), but unless you loose Changsha I dont believe he can advance the road towards Kweiyang/Tsuyun and cut your forces into two.
Sprry, i didn't explain myself that well.
I'm not running away right now. This is an emergency plan.
Wuchow will be defended but i won't committ everything for it (a plain hex, with only 3 forts...) and the plan above rapresents only what would happen if Wuchow will be really threatened. I do not know what kind of units are those 11 spotted east of Canton...i suppose Naval units...but still at the moment i gotta go back from Canton. However i'll try to play smart, using the roads and gaining some time...hopefully i'll be able to recover those 2000 AVs east of Changsha and with them stabilize again the front at Whochow...
Problem is that leaving Canton the southern defensive line of Hengchow is threatened...will have to do something also for here...
For what concerns the center (Hankow and Syniang) i'm planning to abbandon those positions only if the Changsha front will collapse...If so i'll have to move whatever i can towards Chungking in order to plan a final resistance there...but untill the souther front remains somehow stable, i'll keep my units there in the center...
RE: Ambush over Changsha
ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
ORIGINAL: Mistmatz
GH, can you elaborate on your reasoning to abandoning Sinyang, Hankow and potentially Wuchow?
I'd think that if you threaten those cities he cannot move much of his forces out to gather elsewhere and you wouldn't really shorten your perimeter in the north, just move it to a more behind location.
I agree that the whole southern railroad connected cities are under threat but if you move back now you will provide him with easy grabs and he has the ability to fortify those so it will be difficult taking them back when the time comes. For instance the city next to Kweilin (Liuchow?) is absolutely critical for the supply to the Hengchow/Changsha area. If you volutarily fall back to this position I believe you are more vulnerable than you would be defending at Wuchow. At least you can postpone any withdrawal until you're 100% certain he wants to outflank (meaning a huge force in the wood hex NE of Wuchow. Due to better infrastructure you would still have plenty of time to withdraw if neccessary.
There is of course also big risk at the crossing NE of Hengchow (NW of Changsha), but unless you loose Changsha I dont believe he can advance the road towards Kweiyang/Tsuyun and cut your forces into two.
Sprry, i didn't explain myself that well.
I'm not running away right now. This is an emergency plan.
Wuchow will be defended but i won't committ everything for it (a plain hex, with only 3 forts...) and the plan above rapresents only what would happen if Wuchow will be really threatened. I do not know what kind of units are those 11 spotted east of Canton...i suppose Naval units...but still at the moment i gotta go back from Canton. However i'll try to play smart, using the roads and gaining some time...hopefully i'll be able to recover those 2000 AVs east of Changsha and with them stabilize again the front at Whochow...
Problem is that leaving Canton the southern defensive line of Hengchow is threatened...will have to do something also for here...
For what concerns the center (Hankow and Syniang) i'm planning to abbandon those positions only if the Changsha front will collapse...If so i'll have to move whatever i can towards Chungking in order to plan a final resistance there...but untill the souther front remains somehow stable, i'll keep my units there in the center...
Now I understand, I was under the impression you are executing the withdrawals already. As a worst case plan I totally agree it's solid and should help stabilizing deeper inland.
Changsha at the moment is really a problem, if he manages to get a foothold in Hengchow all troops in Changsha will be trapped and eventually destroyed. Getting such a foothold is possible from the north or from the south. But I believe from the south it's less likely due to river crossing attack into the city (or into the clear RR hex and then move into the city) plus the need for the japanese to defend two clear hexes neighbouring Wuchow to ensure supply. Would be a different story if he can take Wuchow though... so better not let that happen! [:-]
What forces do you have in the river crossing hex NE of Hengchow, do you think you can hold him here? Or is there a possibility to dislodge the japanese from Changsha to gain some temporary maneuverability?
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RE: Ambush over Changsha
No way. At Changsha he has 6500 AVs against my 4500 (badly supplied). He has 19 units (!!!!!) ready to rivercross North of Changsha so i already moved the 3 corps i had there up north in the woods, letting there only some guerrilla units...i simply cannot defend everything...
Now i have to consider tha fact that probably Changsha can be abbandoned, in order to save those experienced units and save them to fight another day...however i wanna wait for the Nanchang Armies to come over...anyway...it's a damned mess!...consider also that he has something like 400 bombers and 250 fighters operating in this area...simply impossible[:(]

Now i have to consider tha fact that probably Changsha can be abbandoned, in order to save those experienced units and save them to fight another day...however i wanna wait for the Nanchang Armies to come over...anyway...it's a damned mess!...consider also that he has something like 400 bombers and 250 fighters operating in this area...simply impossible[:(]
RE: Ambush over Changsha
I think you should be careful in Changsha. If your troops there are forced to retreat, they'll be almost worthless for many months, because morale grows soo slowly. But you need those troops intact for the defense of Hengchow. Hengchow is protected by a river, so your position is better, there. Thus you have to order the movement back in time.
In the west there will be a similiar situation with Wuchow/lichow. You must hold Lichow, so don't wait until your troops in Wuchow are routed. I would also send all troops from Pakhoi and Nanning to help Lichow - these two citys are not important, and they are cut of if Lichow falls.
In the west there will be a similiar situation with Wuchow/lichow. You must hold Lichow, so don't wait until your troops in Wuchow are routed. I would also send all troops from Pakhoi and Nanning to help Lichow - these two citys are not important, and they are cut of if Lichow falls.
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RE: Ambush over Changsha
ORIGINAL: Bogo Mil
I think you should be careful in Changsha. If your troops there are forced to retreat, they'll be almost worthless for many months, because morale grows soo slowly. But you need those troops intact for the defense of Hengchow. Hengchow is protected by a river, so your position is better, there. Thus you have to order the movement back in time.
In the west there will be a similiar situation with Wuchow/lichow. You must hold Lichow, so don't wait until your troops in Wuchow are routed. I would also send all troops from Pakhoi and Nanning to help Lichow - these two citys are not important, and they are cut of if Lichow falls.
Yes, i know. He's not willing to attack Changsha directly however. After he saw that i had nearly 5000 AVs behind 7 forts he decided to take the other route of encirlement.... However don't be scared: i've already given orders to the troops at Canton to prep for Liuchow, as for those troops at Nanning-Pakoi (those that are not static however).
Anyway, when/if changsha will be in Jap hands everything will be more difficult, because the road towards the central china will be opened for him and i'll have to reconsider my whole defensive plan and possibly abbandon everything south of Tuyun...[:o]
RE: Ambush over Changsha
Right, if Changsha falls possibly all southern china will fall as well as you cannot defend the wood hex east of Kweiyang.
So probably it doesn't matter if your troops are smashed at Changsa. Either they hold and everything is fine, or they dont and you loose southern China up to Kweiyang anyway...
So probably it doesn't matter if your troops are smashed at Changsa. Either they hold and everything is fine, or they dont and you loose southern China up to Kweiyang anyway...
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RE: Ambush over Changsha
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/20/42
14 units entered at Karachi! Tomorrow we'll plan a bombardment...just to see what he really has there and therefore to get some extra experience for my CW units...
Karachi's status is still good enough. 285,000 supplies, despite the bombardment runs and the constant aerial bombings...
In China i'm holding my breath and at the same time redeploying what i can in order to defend my southern perimeter...
Wotje today arrived at Level 4 AF...good!
The preparation for the Ponape operation keeps on going on.
Nothing else to report.
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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3
Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Haguro
Allied ground losses:
3654 casualties reported
Guns lost 41
Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 38
Port hits 7
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 3
Usual bombarment run by his CAs...his BBs disappeared from India??[&:]
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 97
Ki-46-II Dinah x 13
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 2 damaged
Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 37
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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37
OUCH![:@]
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
G3M Nell x 18
G4M1 Betty x 54
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 31
Ki-21-II Sally x 19
Ki-49 Helen x 117
Ki-15 Babs x 16
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged
Allied ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 18
Runway hits 60
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 127
Ki-48-I Lily x 25
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 8 damaged
Ki-48-I Lily: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
204 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 3
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 53
Manila still has 14,000 supplies...not bad![:)]
14 units entered at Karachi! Tomorrow we'll plan a bombardment...just to see what he really has there and therefore to get some extra experience for my CW units...
Karachi's status is still good enough. 285,000 supplies, despite the bombardment runs and the constant aerial bombings...
In China i'm holding my breath and at the same time redeploying what i can in order to defend my southern perimeter...
Wotje today arrived at Level 4 AF...good!
The preparation for the Ponape operation keeps on going on.
Nothing else to report.
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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3
Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Haguro
Allied ground losses:
3654 casualties reported
Guns lost 41
Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 38
Port hits 7
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 3
Usual bombarment run by his CAs...his BBs disappeared from India??[&:]
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 97
Ki-46-II Dinah x 13
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 2 damaged
Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 37
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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37
OUCH![:@]
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
G3M Nell x 18
G4M1 Betty x 54
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 31
Ki-21-II Sally x 19
Ki-49 Helen x 117
Ki-15 Babs x 16
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged
Allied ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 18
Runway hits 60
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 127
Ki-48-I Lily x 25
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 8 damaged
Ki-48-I Lily: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
204 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 3
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 53
Manila still has 14,000 supplies...not bad![:)]
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RE: Ambush over Changsha
Game speed is still slow...i know guys.
Trollelite is still very busy with his studies...the best we can hope is a turn/day for the next month i guess...[:(]
However the Wake sub flottilla (15 subs) is ready to be deployed as a screening force in the arc that goes from Saipan-Marcus to Midway...just in case...
Trollelite is still very busy with his studies...the best we can hope is a turn/day for the next month i guess...[:(]
However the Wake sub flottilla (15 subs) is ready to be deployed as a screening force in the arc that goes from Saipan-Marcus to Midway...just in case...
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RE: Ambush over Changsha
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/21/42
So the Japanese entered in Karachi with nearly 2500 AVs...some good arty units and nothing much...seems a bit strange to me. Intel says for example that the 18th Jap Division is stationing at Ansalon...quite far away from Karachi.....
...you know what could that mean, right? That he simply may limiting himself in occupying Karachi hex, so to stop the production there with enough AVs to prevent any british attack and that probably some of his crack divisions are already en route for some other destinations...(OZ, pacific...PH...whatever)!!!!
This was probably the worst option i could face...
In China he sent two units (2 Bdes) from Kuikiang to Nanchang...the jap shock attack was repulsed...and, stranger, it also seems that he's not pushing forward north of Changsha...some units are retreating back towards Kuikiang...[&:] What the h*** that means?!?!?!?!?!?
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
Several terrible air attack on Karachi today...[:o]
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 120
Ki-46-II Dinah x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 14 damaged
Allied ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 73
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 107
Ki-48-I Lily x 25
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-48-I Lily: 4 damaged
Allied ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 39
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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 24
B-25C Mitchell x 41
B-26B Marauder x 50
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 19
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
5 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
2 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on Ponape Coastal Gun Regiment, at 73,80
Another run against the CD guns at Ponape...just to be sure[;)]
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 3
B-17E Fortress x 49
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
297 casualties reported
Guns lost 10
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 143
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 7 damaged
Allied ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 45
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
You see?...all these Nells/Betties are on Naval attack/Airfield attack....nearly 200 crack long range torpedo bombers based at Bombay....[X(]
Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 45[X(]
G4M1 Betty x 122[X(]
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied ground losses:
214 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 64
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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84
Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 40
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 1
A-24 Dauntless x 11
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 destroyed, 21 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 damaged
A-24 Dauntless: 2 damaged
Runway hits 12
Port fuel hits 1
mmmm...Kwalajein is far from being completely reduced....[:o]
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Ground combat at Nanchang
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 14917 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 369
Defending force 17236 troops, 70 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 460
Japanese max assault: 408 - adjusted assault: 244
Allied max defense: 383 - adjusted defense: 263
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 6) [;)][;)][;)]
Japanese ground losses:
1546 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Allied ground losses:
51 casualties reported[:D]
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Ground combat at Hankow
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 53539 troops, 240 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1793
Defending force 23154 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 310
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Ground combat at Karachi
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 110581 troops, 1071 guns, 494 vehicles, Assault Value = 2673
Defending force 132843 troops, 783 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2734
Japanese ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
So the Japanese entered in Karachi with nearly 2500 AVs...some good arty units and nothing much...seems a bit strange to me. Intel says for example that the 18th Jap Division is stationing at Ansalon...quite far away from Karachi.....
...you know what could that mean, right? That he simply may limiting himself in occupying Karachi hex, so to stop the production there with enough AVs to prevent any british attack and that probably some of his crack divisions are already en route for some other destinations...(OZ, pacific...PH...whatever)!!!!
This was probably the worst option i could face...
In China he sent two units (2 Bdes) from Kuikiang to Nanchang...the jap shock attack was repulsed...and, stranger, it also seems that he's not pushing forward north of Changsha...some units are retreating back towards Kuikiang...[&:] What the h*** that means?!?!?!?!?!?
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
Several terrible air attack on Karachi today...[:o]
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 120
Ki-46-II Dinah x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 14 damaged
Allied ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 73
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 107
Ki-48-I Lily x 25
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-48-I Lily: 4 damaged
Allied ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 39
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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 24
B-25C Mitchell x 41
B-26B Marauder x 50
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 19
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
5 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
2 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on Ponape Coastal Gun Regiment, at 73,80
Another run against the CD guns at Ponape...just to be sure[;)]
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 3
B-17E Fortress x 49
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
297 casualties reported
Guns lost 10
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 143
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 7 damaged
Allied ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 45
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
You see?...all these Nells/Betties are on Naval attack/Airfield attack....nearly 200 crack long range torpedo bombers based at Bombay....[X(]
Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 45[X(]
G4M1 Betty x 122[X(]
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied ground losses:
214 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 64
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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84
Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 40
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 1
A-24 Dauntless x 11
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 destroyed, 21 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 damaged
A-24 Dauntless: 2 damaged
Runway hits 12
Port fuel hits 1
mmmm...Kwalajein is far from being completely reduced....[:o]
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Ground combat at Nanchang
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 14917 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 369
Defending force 17236 troops, 70 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 460
Japanese max assault: 408 - adjusted assault: 244
Allied max defense: 383 - adjusted defense: 263
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 6) [;)][;)][;)]
Japanese ground losses:
1546 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Allied ground losses:
51 casualties reported[:D]
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Ground combat at Hankow
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 53539 troops, 240 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1793
Defending force 23154 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 310
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Ground combat at Karachi
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 110581 troops, 1071 guns, 494 vehicles, Assault Value = 2673
Defending force 132843 troops, 783 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2734
Japanese ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
RE: Ambush over Changsha
With the BBs gone and only 100 army bombers, there will be a long siege. 285k supplies is the same as 4 days ago - great. I can't imagine how he could reduce that to zero. Karachi will probably become an Indian Leningrad and hold until you can break the siege from outside. The reconquest of India should become possible in 1944, maybe even late '43,
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin)
- Gen.Hoepner
- Posts: 3636
- Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2001 8:00 am
- Location: italy
RE: Ambush over Changsha
Today Karachi had 280,000...the expenditure of those 4/5,000 supplies are probably cause by my bombardment and by his bombers...
It's for sure a problem if he brings his other troops elsewhere, but the garrisons that he will have to keep in India to prevent a "reconquest" by the Brits will be missed elsewhere for sure.
Anyway, i'm sending my whole indian submarine fleet to mine Karachi...some 10 new small minefields could be very usefull against those CAs....[;)]
I like the idea of an Indian Leningrad[:D][8D]
It's for sure a problem if he brings his other troops elsewhere, but the garrisons that he will have to keep in India to prevent a "reconquest" by the Brits will be missed elsewhere for sure.
Anyway, i'm sending my whole indian submarine fleet to mine Karachi...some 10 new small minefields could be very usefull against those CAs....[;)]
I like the idea of an Indian Leningrad[:D][8D]