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Quick question. . . how are the exp. levels of your chinese corps now?

Hi, the overall experience of the chinese corps is very good. I'd say that the 70-80% of them are between 55 and 65.
The real problem is the morale...which is almost everywhere very low (around 20-25...)....
 

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, it's not like the chinese army has too many inspirational commanders.

More gamey news - the only purpose for that AK being where your carriers hit it was to act as a tripwire to warn him if your carriers were coming out to play. [:(]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

More gamey news - the only purpose for that AK being where your carriers hit it was to act as a tripwire to warn him if your carriers were coming out to play. [:(]

The good news is, at some point in time there wont be any tripwires left.
Ringing the alarm every once in a while keeps him alerted and he may become a bit used to 'wrong' alarms...

Man I've learned more gamey tactics in this thread then probably anywhere else.

Who's your opponent, just so I know, because I prefer to not ever play a guy that's going to exploit the game system like I've seen here.

When a player does crap like this, I have absolutely no confidence he'd stay "out" of this thread becasue you ask. Is your opponent allowed to read this thread (can't remember), because if not, I'll bet you real money that he is.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/24/42


Guys...the situation in China is terrible!!!
He brought (don't ask me from where or how?!) nearly 4000 AVs at Canton!!!...he pushed me out of the city with a bloody shock attack...and now the whole southern front is in danger!!!! His tanks followed the attack and now Wochow is probably going to fall very soon...[:(]...Plans for a general evacuation of everything south of Tsuyung are already been distributed to our troops...the final decision hasn't been made yet, but.... At Wochow there's only a static corp...400 AVs in total...and don't have anything to send there right now...[:(]
He's moving back to Changsha also.....[:o]

At Karachi he started the land bombardment...supply is still at 280,000...good! My CVs are going back towards Aden....we'll pay another visit in the near future...let's see if i can annoy him.
Anyway, it really seems that he just want to siege Karachi, without any real intent of assaulting it...i don't consider this a real terrible option...but at the same time i have to be very cautious in the pacific and everywhere else now...
An RCT is moving to Midway Island in order to reinforce that base...just in case...want to keep my pacific routes well safe.


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Day Air attack on Ponape Coastal Gun Regiment, at 73,80

B-17s are resting...time for some 2Es from Eniwetok to suppress a bit that CD unit at Ponape.

My CVs are on the move, along with 8 BBs...will be interesting[8D]


Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12
A-20B Boston x 13
B-25C Mitchell x 7
B-26B Marauder x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 1



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Day Air attack on TF, near Tacloban at 44,57

A lonely AK trying to send supplies to Manila...[:o]

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-I Lily x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Bruce, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage



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Ground combat at Canton

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 147378 troops, 755 guns, 405 vehicles, Assault Value = 3704[X(][X(][X(][X(][X(][X(]

Defending force 22916 troops, 56 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 515

Japanese max assault: 3748 - adjusted assault: 5739

Allied max defense: 472 - adjusted defense: 361

Japanese assault odds: 15 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
2700 casualties reported
Guns lost 75
Vehicles lost 4

Allied ground losses:
2327 casualties reported
Guns lost 11


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!


The worst situation.....[:-]
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Ground combat at Nanchang

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2646 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 373

Defending force 52303 troops, 246 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1571

Japanese max assault: 6 - adjusted assault: 0

Allied max defense: 1262 - adjusted defense: 410

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 6)


Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Another suicide attack....what the **** is doing?!?!?[&:]






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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8930 troops, 187 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2732

Defending force 128034 troops, 1113 guns, 725 vehicles, Assault Value = 2687



Allied ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Hang in there general
Whenever it gets glum for you-just think of our game!

PS. LOOOOOOOOOOOVED the Nuns outfit[8|]

ORIGINAL: 1275psi

Hang in there general
Whenever it gets glum for you-just think of our game!

PS. LOOOOOOOOOOOVED the Nuns outfit[8|]

This nun?

[:D]

Or the more aggressive version?[8|]

He seems to have a bloody lot of LCUs everywhere. Is it possible the troops at Canton are an avangarde of his India Army? Also, do you have the data about his current AV strength in various areas as compared to his AV total at start + reinforcements up to date? Could be useful to make an educated guess about his capabilities.
As for China, if he really wants to fight there and brings massive reinforcements there is little zou could really do. Best option would be probably to pull him deeper into China and hold at a favourable terrain, e.g. Tuyun/Kweiyang area. Will you lose a lot of supply production by abandoning southern provinces?
Karachi - Can we congratulate you the successful defense now or should we wait few weeks more? Leaving holding force there is probably the best option for Japanese now, but it also means the whole India endeavour was a waste of time for him
Central Pacific - it's the most important area for the grand strategy. The key now is to neutralize KB threat, which is easiest to do at this stage of war by luring him into a battle close to a lot of LBA. Any plane losses you may incur are quite easily replacable. His aren't.

ORIGINAL: Elladan

He seems to have a bloody lot of LCUs everywhere. Is it possible the troops at Canton are an avangarde of his India Army? Also, do you have the data about his current AV strength in various areas as compared to his AV total at start + reinforcements up to date? Could be useful to make an educated guess about his capabilities.
As for China, if he really wants to fight there and brings massive reinforcements there is little zou could really do. Best option would be probably to pull him deeper into China and hold at a favourable terrain, e.g. Tuyun/Kweiyang area. Will you lose a lot of supply production by abandoning southern provinces?
Karachi - Can we congratulate you the successful defense now or should we wait few weeks more? Leaving holding force there is probably the best option for Japanese now, but it also means the whole India endeavour was a waste of time for him
Central Pacific - it's the most important area for the grand strategy. The key now is to neutralize KB threat, which is easiest to do at this stage of war by luring him into a battle close to a lot of LBA. Any plane losses you may incur are quite easily replacable. His aren't.

He's surely less strong in the northern sector of China...today events, even if really discouraging for me, showed that he has very few units there...however i'm not strong enough to do any real damage to him there...maybe some annoyances, but nothing more.
My guess is that all those troops at Canton are those who conquered Luzon last month...he left there just enough to block any Manila springing up and then moved everything he had in terms of naval units to Canton...the pacific at this stage is still very very undefended!

At Karachi he's surely not going to take the city anytime soon...nor he seems to even try to do that....279800 supplies today...still very good!
Sooner or later Karachi is going to be relieved...and then the whole Indian front will become a real problem for him[:D]

In one week and a half we'll be landing at Ponape...hold your breath guys!


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/25/42


Today could have been an interesting day in China...but my troops performed really bad...and now i will probably have to face the idea that the southern perimeter must be shriked and so the whole Changsha-Hengchow etc...area abbandoned[:(]

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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
G3M Nell x 24
G4M1 Betty x 53
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36
Ki-21-II Sally x 34
Ki-49 Helen x 117
Ki-15 Babs x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
145 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 165


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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84

Usual raid at Kwajalein[8D]..my bombers are really experienced now. Around 70[;)]

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 24
B-25C Mitchell x 53
B-26B Marauder x 53


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Ki-21-II Sally x 129
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 9 damaged


Allied ground losses:
173 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 59



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Ground combat at Changsha

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3010 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6842

Defending force 202020 troops, 955 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5186



Allied ground losses:
203 casualties reported



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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8944 troops, 188 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2733

Defending force 129686 troops, 1146 guns, 725 vehicles, Assault Value = 2692



Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kaifeng

I wanted to catch him off guard here at Kaifeng...and i managed to do that...but the adjusted assault, despite the supplies were at a good level, was so bad that we achieved only a 1-1[:@]

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 130738 troops, 647 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3428

Defending force 43105 troops, 129 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 623

Allied max assault: 3018 - adjusted assault: 588

Japanese max defense: 672 - adjusted defense: 579

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3


Japanese ground losses:
796 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Allied ground losses:
3736 casualties reported[:(]
Guns lost 47



At Manila...supplies today dropped to 11,800....[:(]

You were crossing a river at Kaifeng. That doesn't help. Will you be able to repeat the attack anytime soon? That could potentially cause him enough problems to draw significant forces from the south.

ORIGINAL: Elladan

You were crossing a river at Kaifeng. That doesn't help. Will you be able to repeat the attack anytime soon? That could potentially cause him enough problems to draw significant forces from the south.

I'll wait a pair of turns, then i'll try a deliberate attack...but i bet he's already sending some units there (a simple division will be enough) and for sure hundreds of planes will target our guys there from the next turn...but however i'll give it a try

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/42

Guys...38 units are advancing towards Whocow...cannot hold anything under these conditions...the general plan for the retreat to a new perimeter is on the way.
Timing will be decisive in order to save as much units as i can....
The idea is to form a first perimeter...abbandoning Changsha and getting ready to move back.
Soon i'll have to get back also in the north...gotta be very cautious from now on with the supplies in China...the months ahead will be terrible for the chinese theatre...[:(]

As predicted he sent hundreds of bombers over my units at Kaifeng[:(]...and already a unit is advancing in reinforcing his positions there...no way[:(]


Ah, it's official: he's leaving Malir with most of his units...leaving at Karachi only 2700 AVs (5 divisions)...Karachi won't fall...at least[:)]

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Night Time Surface Combat at 42,52

Japanese Ships
PG Myoken Maru
PG Shinko Maru #3

Allied Ships
AK Empire Baxter, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

another lonely AK that tried to send some supplies to Malina...sunk[:(]
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
Ki-49 Helen x 145
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 18 damaged


Allied ground losses:
252 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 50

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Day Air attack on Honan , at 49,31

At first he bombed Honan in order to burn some of my supplies in the backyard of my army at Kaifeng...[:(]

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 45
Ki-21-II Sally x 30
Ki-49 Helen x 102
Ki-15 Babs x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged
Ki-15 Babs: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 73



Then...hundreds of bombers bombed my units at Kaifeng....[:@][:@][:@][:@]
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Day Air attack on 28th New Chinese Division, at 44,35

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 18
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 76th Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 10
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 31st Chinese Corps, at 40,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 12

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 34th Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 10

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 61st Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 10
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 61st Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 14
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 55th Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 5th Chinese Cavalry Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 5th Chinese Cavalry Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 90th Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 11
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 22nd Chinese/C Corps, at 52,28

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24
Ki-51 Sonia x 10

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 4th Chinese/A Corps, at 43,40

Japanese aircraft
D3A2 Val x 17

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 47th Chinese Guer./C Corps, at 50,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 6
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported



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ASW attack at 88,75

Finally we caught one of his damned subs patrolling south of Wake...

Japanese Ships
SS I-9, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Russell
DD Hammann
DD Anderson
DD Hughes
DD Sims
DD Warrington

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/42

Guys...38 units are advancing towards Whocow...cannot hold anything under these conditions...the general plan for the retreat to a new perimeter is on the way.
Timing will be decisive in order to save as much units as i can....
The idea is to form a first perimeter...abbandoning Changsha and getting ready to move back.
Soon i'll have to get back also in the north...gotta be very cautious from now on with the supplies in China...the months ahead will be terrible for the chinese theatre...[:(]

As predicted he sent hundreds of bombers over my units at Kaifeng[:(]...and already a unit is advancing in reinforcing his positions there...no way[:(]

38 units? Think about this! Your opponent certainly likes to split his units. You encountered at least one of his CEA divisions in the PI. Is it possible that he already moved some sizeable forces from India to China? I would not order a general retreat in China without any intel about the composition of his forces.

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/42

Guys...38 units are advancing towards Whocow...cannot hold anything under these conditions...the general plan for the retreat to a new perimeter is on the way.
Timing will be decisive in order to save as much units as i can....
The idea is to form a first perimeter...abbandoning Changsha and getting ready to move back.
Soon i'll have to get back also in the north...gotta be very cautious from now on with the supplies in China...the months ahead will be terrible for the chinese theatre...[:(]

As predicted he sent hundreds of bombers over my units at Kaifeng[:(]...and already a unit is advancing in reinforcing his positions there...no way[:(]

38 units? Think about this! Your opponent certainly likes to split his units. You encountered at least one of his CEA divisions in the PI. Is it possible that he already moved some sizeable forces from India to China? I would not order a general retreat in China without any intel about the composition of his forces.

I agree, although this sounds like a serious threat I'd recommend to gather some intel first. Do you fly recon missions with your chinese LB's?

Unless your opponent is going for Wuchow - Liuchow you don't need to fall back right away. If you are lucky his Canton troops head for Hengchow instead in an attempt to sack the Changsha forces. Of course Changsha would have to be abandoned anyway...
Difficult situation.

I think it's time to form one or two ASW task forces in Aden (maybe send the CVs back alone and use their escorts immediadely). Those I-Boats are helpless against british destroyers, you can make his dense picket line costly.

Beware of paras attacks on non base hexes as he already did in India. Timed with massed assaults thanks to river crossing and armored rgt shockatttack+pursue he would be able to destroy most of your army at Hengchow-Changsha by forcing it to retreat on non rail/road hexes.Suggest you evacuate Changsha now and secure river crossing northwest of it. If he cut this road while he drives hard toward Kweiling you will lose the whole central zone.

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/42

Guys...38 units are advancing towards Whocow...cannot hold anything under these conditions...the general plan for the retreat to a new perimeter is on the way.
Timing will be decisive in order to save as much units as i can....
The idea is to form a first perimeter...abbandoning Changsha and getting ready to move back.
Soon i'll have to get back also in the north...gotta be very cautious from now on with the supplies in China...the months ahead will be terrible for the chinese theatre...[:(]

As predicted he sent hundreds of bombers over my units at Kaifeng[:(]...and already a unit is advancing in reinforcing his positions there...no way[:(]

38 units? Think about this! Your opponent certainly likes to split his units. You encountered at least one of his CEA divisions in the PI. Is it possible that he already moved some sizeable forces from India to China? I would not order a general retreat in China without any intel about the composition of his forces.

Sure he did! the 18th Division is advancing in the Canton army towards Whochow!!...many other units are going back from Malir...so i guess he's using some units already used in India...!

Two turns in a row.
He sent two TFs to Karachi...not to bombard it...he unload a small fragment there,why? because doing that he swept nearly 500 mines and made me burnt some 6,000 supplies!!![:@]...don't ask me how...or why...but seems that defending the beaches, even against some 100 enemy men, makes you burn a LOT of supplies...[:o][:(]

We abbandoned Nanchang, moving everything i could towards Changsha...and at the same time he moved back to Changsha...with 35 units!!!, while his tanks are already at Whochow, waiting for the other 30 units from Canton...i'm trying to send some reinforcements to Whochow...let's hope[:o]
Going bck from Kaifeng (sp?)...there's no way i can force him to retreat from there...he has already reinforced the base[:(]


At Ponape we're sending our DMS to sweep mines at full speed...he's sending tons of subs to lay his mines...will be a minewar[:D]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/27/42

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TF 1046 encounters mine field at Ponape (73,80) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DMS Wasmuth

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TF 39 encounters mine field at Karachi (21,3)[X(][X(][X(]

Japanese Ships
MSW W.18
MSW W.15
MSW W.12
MSW W.9
MSW W.8
MSW W.7
MSW W.6
MSW W.4
MSW W.3
MSW W.2
AP Michiyu Maru, Mine hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

So which is the purpose of this????????[&:][&:][&:][&:]
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Ground combat at 43,40 North of Canton...3500 AVs pushed me back to Whochow...[:@]

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 147550 troops, 675 guns, 407 vehicles, Assault Value = 3430

Defending force 14940 troops, 30 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 335

Japanese max assault: 6766 - adjusted assault: 7172

Allied max defense: 290 - adjusted defense: 9

Japanese assault odds: 796 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1819 casualties reported
Guns lost 31
Vehicles lost 8

Allied ground losses:
3917 casualties reported[X(][X(][X(]
Guns lost 14


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!