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Posted: **Tue May 09, 2017 6:21 pm**

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

So a short range 2 hex attack would have nailed two of the stray task forces I guess? A maximum range attack would have focused on the Deathstar.

Count hexes and limit attacks...especially true for the KB.

+1

Posted: **Tue May 09, 2017 8:52 pm**

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

Why no mines yet in other bases apart from Guam? Moreso when you seem to have wiped out a significant part of Allied minesweeping capacity.

And yes, I want to stress once more what was mentioned before. Keep bringing stuff closer to the theatre from all over the Empire. All floating Kaigun, most subs, all free airgroups. The focus is here and nowhere else. You would need much in the after-landing stage if the Allies are not able to quickly capture the bases.

No mines because I suck at Naval operations. [:)] No midget subs because even though I follow the instructions in the Manual, none of the options light-up.

I'm moving stuff. It would be nice if everything moved as fast as airplanes.

Thanks.

Posted: **Tue May 09, 2017 8:54 pm**

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Don't move a unit in that doesn't start with full AC ... when you have overloaded airbases, AC don't repair well or fast ... and don't add new aircraft in the groups there, do that in the bonins...

That is a full unit. [:)] One of those, "Changing to ...."

Posted: **Tue May 09, 2017 8:57 pm**

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Well there was a mistake...shows there is always hope.

What is the weather?

So a short range 2 hex attack would have nailed two of the stray task forces I guess? A maximum range attack would have focused on the Deathstar.

Count hexes and limit attacks...especially true for the KB.

"Poor visibility due to Rain with 85% moonlight"

I had all the LBAs set at two hexes. Unfortunately, that put the ones at Saipan within range of that hex and they died in droves. I have pulled them in this turn. The KBs are still at six hexes. All the fatigue on the KBs is down except for the TBs set on ASW but they are in their low teens. Still rope-a-doping.

Posted: **Tue May 09, 2017 10:34 pm**

I have deleted this as it has the potential to be an exploit.

It is interesting that Japan could cheat on every turn.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2017 4:01 am**

PACIFIC Jun 23, 1943 Turn 564

All misses.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2017 4:06 am**

PACIFIC Jun 23, 1943 Turn 564

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Saipan at 108,93

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 158 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 209
B6N2 Jill x 65
D4Y1 Judy x 81

Allied aircraft
Walrus II x 5
F4F-4 Wildcat x 106
F6F-3 Hellcat x 210
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 14
SOC-1 Seagull x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 19 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 24 destroyed, 10 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y1 Judy: 21 destroyed, 13 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged
F6F-3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 4 destroyed
SOC-1 Seagull: 6 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAK Peter Kerr
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1
DD Bennett
xAP Rangitiki, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Glenn Curtiss
BB Colorado, Bomb hits 3, on fire
xAK Red Jacket, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
BB Arizona
DD Anthony
xAK Malancha
APA Warren
xAK Shirina, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Trade Wind
APA La Salle
AK Eridanus
xAK Andrea Luckenbach, Bomb hits 1
xAP Mataroa, Bomb hits 1
CA Houston
xAK George Westinghouse, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Harpoon, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 2

Allied ground losses:
3375 casualties reported
Squads: 82 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 221 destroyed, 68 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 56 (54 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 44 (20 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2017 4:08 am**

PACIFIC Jun 23, 1943 Turn 564
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Saipan at 108,93

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 152 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 41
B6N2 Jill x 7
D4Y1 Judy x 48

Allied aircraft
Walrus II x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 37
F6F-3 Hellcat x 124
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 7 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 2 destroyed by flak
D4Y1 Judy: 12 destroyed, 8 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 5 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BC Repulse
DMS Lamberton
BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 1
CA Dorsetshire
BB Prince of Wales, Bomb hits 1
DMS Elliot, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Colorado, on fire

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2017 4:11 am**

PACIFIC Jun 23, 1943 Turn 564

Rio has about 2k AV on each island.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2017 8:43 am**

Does that surprise you, that the Allies can land 4 divisions on each overnight?

What are the ships to the east and south...the tail?

I take it you ate shore bombardments from the invading task forces...any dedicated shore bombardments?

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2017 9:30 am**

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Does that surprise you, that the Allies can land 4 divisions on each overnight?

What are the ships to the east and south...the tail?

I take it you ate shore bombardments from the invading task forces...any dedicated shore bombardments?

No it doesn't surprise me that he can, it has been mentioned several times here and countless times elsewhere. What surprises me is, why he would want to.

The "tail" TFs are all heading east. Damaged ships I suspect for some. One shows two DDs, another, one PB.

Below is typical. Guam about the same, Rota a little less, but Tinian "only had" three BBs. [:)]

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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 8 damaged
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 38 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 23 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 24 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 14 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 48 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 27 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 10 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 9 destroyed on ground
D4Y3 Judy: 17 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 12 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 12 damaged
D3A1 Val: 11 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 1 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y1-C Judy: 4 damaged
D4Y1-C Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground
B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships

BB Pennsylvania
BB Arizona
BB Colorado
BB Maryland
CA Chicago
CA Louisville
CA Chester
CA Houston
CL Concord
CL Detroit
CL Raleigh
CL Achilles

Japanese ground losses:
338 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (7 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Airbase hits 32
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 73

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2017 9:36 am**

Now would be the time to send in all your surface ships...after he spent a lot of ammo on bombardments and can't fight back as effectively. And before he takes a base and you have to wade thru 100 PT boats.

The question is how much fuel does the KB have, and have close by, and will the bombardment task forces stick around or head back. Important questions, I think.

Or did you have some other plan?

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2017 11:12 am**

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Now would be the time to send in all your surface ships...after he spent a lot of ammo on bombardments and can't fight back as effectively. And before he takes a base and you have to wade thru 100 PT boats.

The question is how much fuel does the KB have, and have close by, and will the bombardment task forces stick around or head back. Important questions, I think.

Or did you have some other plan?

You know, sometimes this game drives me crazy. Last turn I had a BB TF sitting just above Saipan, Remain on Station, and I look for it this turn and find it half-way back to Iwo.

I am gathering them all below Pagan and hopefully next turn run them all at his main TFs, still two hexes east of Guam. I should have about six SCTFs, two with two BBs each. I will LRCAP them.

Is that what you were thinking?

PS; KBs fuel OK. Some of the DDs are getting low but Pagan has some fuel. The SCTFs are OK on fuel. I have some AOs at Iwo that can come down a bit.

Posted: **Thu May 11, 2017 9:12 pm**

ORIGINAL: el lobo

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Is that what you were thinking?

Not really.

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2017 12:16 am**

ORIGINAL: el lobo

PACIFIC Jun 23, 1943 Turn 564

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Saipan at 108,93

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 158 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 209
B6N2 Jill x 65
D4Y1 Judy x 81

Allied aircraft
Walrus II x 5
F4F-4 Wildcat x 106
F6F-3 Hellcat x 210
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 14
SOC-1 Seagull x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 19 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 24 destroyed, 10 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y1 Judy: 21 destroyed, 13 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged
F6F-3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 4 destroyed
SOC-1 Seagull: 6 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAK Peter Kerr
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1
DD Bennett
xAP Rangitiki, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Glenn Curtiss
BB Colorado, Bomb hits 3, on fire
xAK Red Jacket, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
BB Arizona
DD Anthony
xAK Malancha
APA Warren
xAK Shirina, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Trade Wind
APA La Salle
AK Eridanus
xAK Andrea Luckenbach, Bomb hits 1
xAP Mataroa, Bomb hits 1
CA Houston
xAK George Westinghouse, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Harpoon, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 2

Allied ground losses:
3375 casualties reported
Squads: 82 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 221 destroyed, 68 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 56 (54 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 44 (20 destroyed, 24 disabled)

So, roughly 10% hit rate against LRCAP ... pretty much what I would expect. I would consider you quite lucky that most of the hits were against transports as opposed to the BB's, I rarely get that results. Instead, all 14 hits would have been on the BB's and those 250kg bombs just bounce off.

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2017 12:17 am**

ORIGINAL: el lobo

Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 8 damaged
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 38 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 23 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 24 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 14 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 48 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 27 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 10 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 9 destroyed on ground
D4Y3 Judy: 17 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 12 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 12 damaged
D3A1 Val: 11 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 1 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y1-C Judy: 4 damaged
D4Y1-C Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground
B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 32
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 73

Again, this is fairly typical ground bombardment losses for this point in the game. It gets worse in '45 is all I can say.

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2017 2:34 am**

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Not really.

After a good night's sleep, I knew you were not thinking that, even before I read you post.

But, I'm wondering if Rio may be thinking that I would not try that. Hummm.

But, I'm thinking that Rio is thinking that he should close the air field at Pagan. That is a logical step and he certainly has the horse-power in the area to do it. So that is for what I am preparing.

Thanks.

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2017 2:38 am**

Thanks Pax.

I haven't received the turn back yet but I got an email from Rio saying it would be late as he needed extra time to rearrange some ships as I "dented" some of his. [:D]

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2017 4:30 am**

ORIGINAL: el lobo

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Does that surprise you, that the Allies can land 4 divisions on each overnight?

What are the ships to the east and south...the tail?

I take it you ate shore bombardments from the invading task forces...any dedicated shore bombardments?
No it doesn't surprise me that he can, it has been mentioned several times here and countless times elsewhere. What surprises me is, why he would want to.

The "tail" TFs are all heading east. Damaged ships I suspect for some. One shows two DDs, another, one PB.

Below is typical. Guam about the same, Rota a little less, but Tinian "only had" three BBs. [:)]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 8 damaged
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 38 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 23 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 24 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 14 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 48 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 27 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 10 damaged
Ki-46-III Dinah: 9 destroyed on ground
D4Y3 Judy: 17 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 12 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 12 damaged
D3A1 Val: 11 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 1 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y1-C Judy: 4 damaged
D4Y1-C Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground
B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships

BB Pennsylvania
BB Arizona
BB Colorado
BB Maryland
CA Chicago
CA Louisville
CA Chester
CA Houston
CL Concord
CL Detroit
CL Raleigh
CL Achilles

Japanese ground losses:
338 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (7 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Airbase hits 32
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 73

The Betties should not really have been there [:(]

Your strike though was good, many transports badly hit [:)]

On the other side, the Carrier fleet is now severly bleeded in fighter, I think you're left with 40 % of the fighter force?

Time to take a breath and reorganize? Air reinforcements, land based, on their way?

I would have waited to unleash the main air strike...also, weather was thunderstormy, so bound to penalize greatly the attacker;
use it at your advantage.

On the other side though again, Rio's carrier fighter force, and replenishment, went down (not a lot, but a good start, and he cannot replenish or rotate as easily as you!)

I 100% agree the remaining northern islands airports constitute n 1 concern for Rio. If you've gathered enough Cap, Rio's going to be badly bleeded there, and if so...then he's yours (thumbs crossed)!

As Lowpe has remarked, very good time to unleash your surface fleet.

I'd suggest you though not to throw it in, if some more big (BBs, Cruisers; maybe some DDs and Cls squadrons) surface reinforcements are due to arrive soon, but wait for their arrival;

If i'm going to send the ships for a surface engagements, I'd send in ALL the air support and assets I could gather, muster and available.

That'd the mythical Decisive Battle (for an year and a half only...) so sought for by IJN. Marianas waters was IJN's n.1 candidate for it!
Banzai.

You'd send in also your subs lurking for prays, cripples, or otherwise ops points expended ships.

All for all!

Mind the weather.

Mind the weather.

Mind weather.

thank you for allowing comments on your thread.

Posted: **Fri May 12, 2017 4:34 am**

Please try keeping the KB out of US's strike range.

mind weather, bad weather advantage air defense,use at your advantage.

I think weather is determined by west-east direction and winds mainly, in game's mechanic...so here you're advantaged too in weather prediction....

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