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RE: Operation Treppenwitz
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 3:33 pm
by Crackaces
ORIGINAL: joelmar
This discussion has taken a very interesting twist since EvK's last comments and all those details about the 8MP Axis team initial plan.
Of course for the casual solo player this is all very remote, and as for many reasons short term gains are usually prioritized, I fully understand EvK's comments about missed packman gains in the snow, and I will certainly continue myself to take decisions based on the same kind of ideas as they have immediate impact, even if small scale. And probably they have some merit on their own in the long term view too. I guess there would have to be a separate discussion on the attritional possibilities of the Axis based on such regular packman operations in adverse weather and their cost in KIA and equipment.
But still, this gives much food for thought and experiment thanks to all.
I think Telemecus posting is perfect at this point for discussion. My own style of play is to come up with gross strategic plan, refine that plan, then design operational constraints and objectives, then execute tactical moves toward a chain of logical steps linking the tactical to the strategic. The plan discussed provides such a template. So look in this AAR and you will see “PacMan” moves and you will find times I turned down the offer because it did not fit the strategic plan.
One thing .. the inputs of all the players synergized the overall plan. For example, I initially proposed a single trust in An area I could isolate easily because of the Soviet railnet .. but it made extending German rail difficult. You see how the evolution of ideas produced a pretty good 42 offensive ...
RE: Operation Treppenwitz
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 3:49 pm
by joelmar
@Crackaces I was just telling Telemecus that of course it's all part of opportunity assessment. In my experience pocketing efficiently is not always possible when trying to breakthrough and it's sometimes better to simply rout all the units in the way. I am still getting to grips with that
Your last comment seems to give the stamp to what I said. A plan this complex must come from deep pondering. Your initial plan may also have worked though. That's the beauty of this game

RE: EvK Captured!
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:15 pm
by EwaldvonKleist
ORIGINAL: Telemecus
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By 1960 the world was stunned to see television footage of EwaldvonKleist appear on trial in Helsinki. EwaldvonKleist had escaped to Mexico and been given refuge by the left wing government there. An eight man squad of some very angry Finns kidnapped him and secretly flew him back to Finland still wearing his disguise as a Mexican peasant. Convicted of the war crime of bombing the then neutral Finland he was condemned to forced labour restoring the houses he had bombed 19 years before. He remained in obscurity as a painter and decorator in the village of Lappeenranta in Finland.
reference post 5 here
tm.asp?m=4260347&mpage=1

RE: EvK Captured!
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:19 pm
by Zorch
ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
ORIGINAL: Telemecus
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By 1960 the world was stunned to see television footage of EwaldvonKleist appear on trial in Helsinki. EwaldvonKleist had escaped to Mexico and been given refuge by the left wing government there. An eight man squad of some very angry Finns kidnapped him and secretly flew him back to Finland still wearing his disguise as a Mexican peasant. Convicted of the war crime of bombing the then neutral Finland he was condemned to forced labour restoring the houses he had bombed 19 years before. He remained in obscurity as a painter and decorator in the village of Lappeenranta in Finland.
reference post 5 here
tm.asp?m=4260347&mpage=1
Are Shovels effective against hard targets?
Is there any truth to the rumor that he was Che Guevara's father?
RE: EvK Captured!
Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:00 am
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
Truly excellent! [:D]
I assume the heavy load cost are all the guards who have to accompany him when he gets on a train?
ORIGINAL: Zorch
Are Shovels effective against hard targets?
Is there any truth to the rumor that he was Che Guevara's father?
You would have thought a shovel would give you at least 1 armor?
Oh dear, it looks like EvK is facing yet another libel suit. This time from Ernesto Guevara Lynch Snr.

RE: OKH - 8 player multiplayer Axis thread
Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 8:53 am
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: Zorch post 144
I'd say the Germans are in real good shape and headed for a decisive victory in 1942. Soviet losses of men and factories are very serious.
You called it right. It seems the heavy industry and arms factory losses, although very big, are not serious in these versions anymore. But looks like manpower did it?
ORIGINAL: Zorch
tm.asp?m=4250051&mpage=12
ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
ORIGINAL: Zorch
At this rate, Stalin himself is going have a sudden illness very soon. Or, he will sacrifice himself heroically for the fatherland. [:D]
No way the Soviets survive past summer of '42.
Stalin is very interested in a prognosis of the war..., would you mind to visit him in Moscow to repeat what you said?
I think I'll phone it in. [:D]
I take it Stalin took your prognosis calmly and thanked you for speaking truth to power?
RE: OKH - 8 player multiplayer Axis thread
Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 12:06 pm
by Crackaces
I think it is well worth discussing the below battle. The Soviets on turn 64 counterattack vs the GrossDeutschland Division. The Soviets take a 20% penalty for cross army action. More interesting is the 137 Soviet AFV's lost. The Germans have 185 AFV's that cannot account for the losses. One secret might lie in the Nebelweffer rgt -- they bring along 75mm pak40 (7 of them) that have a ROF of 12 and penetrate light and medium tanks .. The GD division has another 12 plus 88mm L71 .. the Pz IVG's .. a couple of shots and color a T34 flaming red .. .. the guns have HEAT rounds ..
In the end this was a very very very close but costly battle for the Soviets.

RE: OKH - 8 player multiplayer Axis thread
Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 6:04 pm
by EwaldvonKleist
Are Shovels effective against hard targets?
I would say yes, considering you can build anti tank ditches with them. They are likely 0CV support equipment like artillery is.
RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 8:19 am
by morvael
What can you see on details screen? (question is related to 4 bombers lost out of 0 participating)
RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:09 pm
by Crackaces
ORIGINAL: morvael
What can you see on details screen? (question is related to 4 bombers lost out of 0 participating)
This is what the screen looks like ..

RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:10 pm
by Crackaces
Another example ..

RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:11 pm
by Crackaces
Example #3:

RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:14 pm
by morvael
What were the German fighters escorting?
RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:15 pm
by Crackaces
Example #4:

RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:15 pm
by morvael
I will have to check if these aren't losses from some previous battle that weren't cleared properly before launching this bombing attack.
RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:17 pm
by Crackaces
Sounds good .. when they were escorting alone .. it would be a fighter sweep .. else a real bombing mission on a target. The last screen will be the total results ..

RE: OKH - 8 player multiplayer Axis thread
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 5:37 pm
by Zorch
ORIGINAL: Telemecus
ORIGINAL: Zorch post 144
I'd say the Germans are in real good shape and headed for a decisive victory in 1942. Soviet losses of men and factories are very serious.
You called it right. It seems the heavy industry and arms factory losses, although very big, are not serious in these versions anymore. But looks like manpower did it?
ORIGINAL: Zorch
tm.asp?m=4250051&mpage=12
ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
Stalin is very interested in a prognosis of the war..., would you mind to visit him in Moscow to repeat what you said?
I think I'll phone it in. [:D]
I take it Stalin took your prognosis calmly and thanked you for speaking truth to power?
Yes, he was very pleased. He had Comrade Beria throw a surprise party for me and arranged an all expenses paid vacation. Postcard below. Wish you were here!

100k hits
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:09 pm
by Telemecus
100k hits!

RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:17 am
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
U2VS:
M60's propaganda machine continues to spew disinformation on the use of U2VS but the records do not lie .. the Soviets have a secret weapons program based on the U2VS ... our intelligence confirms with high confidence this is verified.
Confirmed there were no airgroups with U2VS then - so definitely a bug

RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:14 pm
by Telemecus
And one U2VS was actually added to the pool - even though they had no factories or airgroups!
Edit: Nothing converts to U2VS either according to scenario data.