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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:10 pm
by BBfanboy
Time to identify weak spots along the Chinese MLR and concentrate some troops to break through. Canton and Hong Kong may be relatively easy prizes if he has started to move too much east.
I am sure that your landing has upset his supply line to China using Shanghai port so he will be fighting at a disadvantage soon.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:53 pm
by jwolf
Are there still Japanese mines to clear at Ningpo?
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:11 pm
by Canoerebel
ORIGINAL: jwolf
Are there still Japanese mines to clear at Ningpo?
When Ningpo flipped to the Allies, John's mines became my mines - friendly. However, John sewed mines there after the flip. My DMSs have been working to clear them the last two turns.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:21 pm
by Canoerebel
10/25/44
Gents, if you're reading both AARs, you'd better not respond to this post at all. I might be able to read between lines in this situation.
11th Airborne Division: Looking for possible para-drop targets.

RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:26 pm
by Bif1961
Mines are a terrible thing to waste.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:42 pm
by perkinh
So after after a couple of years away i felt the tingle again. So to scratch that itch..... i decided to read the biggest AAR on the block, and i was not disappointed.[&o] Thanks for the good read, and i hope to begin on Johns side next. It is my hope that the itch will subside and i can avoid falling back into my pension for destroying trees with copious notes and plans, that just get disrupted by a brilliant opponent or a bad weather role. Kind of like binge watching on HULU....no waiting. Good Luck!
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:54 pm
by Canoerebel
Thanks for commenting. You must be a glutton for punishment or a graduate of the Evelyn Wood School of Speed Reading to make it through the Encyclopedia Pacifica: Ensign's Edition.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:57 pm
by paullus99
If he's neglected any of those areas, it would be fantastic to drop a Division - I think it would definitely be a shock to his system....
Good luck & remember, fortune favors the bold.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:01 pm
by AcePylut
In every game I've played to date, one of those bases was targeted as my "End-game" base. I won't tell you which one, but it's a dandy for a great many reasons

Unfortunately, having always played Allies, I've always suffered the "just got into '43, the big-fun is over for the Japs, so they just disappear" curse.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:20 am
by Lokasenna
Moppo would not be useful to you from a strategic bombing perspective, as it would be constantly harassed. However, you could probably farm that for VPs as well. Just not as many as an aerial campaign with 2Es/4Es and fighters.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:45 am
by JohnDillworth
Time to identify weak spots along the Chinese MLR and concentrate some troops to break through. Canton and Hong Kong may be relatively easy prizes if he has started to move too much east.
I am sure that your landing has upset his supply line to China using Shanghai port so he will be fighting at a disadvantage soon.
I suspect that MLR is pretty strong but if John is going to contest the coastal invasions or prepare to fight inland he has to start pulling troops form there. One wonders if he will make an all out effort to take Lingpo back or assume that CR is moving up and over to Shanghi
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:23 am
by HansBolter
I have yet to airdrop an entire division in this game.
How many squadrons are assigned the task?
How long will it take?
How much will reach the destination before an LRCAP intercept starts to attrite the effort?
Where are the best and worst possibilities of heavy LRCAP intercept?
What other factors matter?
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:41 am
by Flicker
CR - nice job so far. Love to see the word Shanghai! Also like the Korea plan and hope it might lead to Manchuoko and Soviet activation.
Although I've read John's AAR and commented on health issues, I'd like to offer a comment that I don't think violates Opsec. Consider an airdrop on Hwaiyin if it triggers reinforcement by the '8th Prov Chinese Corps' (37 AV available from Apr 43), or if the LCU is no longer available (I'm unclear whether or not ground unit availability expires), then consider dropping at dot base Pengpu to sever the rail line.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:20 am
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Flicker
CR - nice job so far. Love to see the word Shanghai! Also like the Korea plan and hope it might lead to Manchuoko and Soviet activation.
Although I've read John's AAR and commented on health issues, I'd like to offer a comment that I don't think violates Opsec. Consider an airdrop on Hwaiyin if it triggers reinforcement by the '8th Prov Chinese Corps' (37 AV available from Apr 43), or if the LCU is no longer available (I'm unclear whether or not ground unit availability expires), then consider dropping at dot base Pengpu to sever the rail line.
Inland bases are out. CR has said that he needs to be able to reinforce by sea.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:53 am
by Canoerebel
There are a lot of possibilities, and some are just coming to mind now. But the core of the original idea was the possibility of seizing an unoccupied coastal base with big potential. That would require only a small paratroop detachment followed up by a large reinforcing operation by sea. That is still my preferred plan, though the odds of finding a vacant base are small.
If I do find such a base, though, the op might expand considerably to create as much uncertainty and stress as possible. Under that scenario, I might drop small detachments on a bunch of bases/dot hexes to disrupt as much communication and supply flow as possible.
But if the original plan isn't viable because John's bases are all garrisoned, then I'll probably not disclose the presence of 11th Air Division. I'll keep it "secret" in hopes an opportunity will arise later.
The air division has about 170 AV but only has 1942 paratroop squads. The unit is set to upgrade but hasn't. I don't know how my pool looks for '44 paratroop squads. It should be good since I haven't done anything with paratroops in two years. But it really doesn't matter since I don't plan to use the unit for anything other than unoccupied targets. For that mission, '42 squads is sufficient.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:31 pm
by witpqs
Those squads come in slow. You will definitely need to break down the division to upgrade it, and even then there might not be enough until much later than you want.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:37 pm
by Bif1961
Sound like a MacAurhtur plan, use airborne to seize a distant objective then reinforce quickly by sea.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:48 pm
by JohnDillworth
ORIGINAL: Bif1961
Sound like a MacAurhtur plan, use airborne to seize a distant objective then reinforce quickly by sea.
Sound like a MacAurhtur plan, use airborne to seize a distant objective then reinforce quickly by sea.
Well that is kind of the thing I would be worried about. You have to take the fleet up into a sea that is surrounded by potential airfileds and then keep running supply up. At this point you assume he will not take the shrink wrap off the KB but it would be interesting if he unleashed all his aircraft and tried to bottle you up in there. Couple of bad die rolls and you have some cripples to get out of the arroyo. rewards are great, as his supply to China is eventually cut. Interesting
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:31 pm
by Canoerebel
10/26/44
Paint crashed and ate my first exciting diagram. Then the Forum ate my first exciting post. So I'm cutting my losses and going with just this:

RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:05 am
by BBfanboy
After you stabilize the Ningpo-Shanghai region, you might consider using that Airborne Div. on Amami Oshima - bypassing Okinawa and minor islands for now. Great place to have fighter escorts for your bombers. There is a weak naval fort there and he may not have added much infantry support there.
BTW, I am not sure Night Fighters can sweep enemy bases. The Black Window has a good radar but intercepting and dogfighting with a fighter at night is gonna be near impossible.