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ORIGINAL: Symon

What Don said, but I will own up to not paying the most particular attention to some things. A lotta stuff is just as Don says, other stuff could use a skoosh of Brylcreem. Have no idea, after all these years, why we did this to that, and that to this. For my Fault, for my Fault, for my most Grevious Fault. I must be shot at dawn.

Ciao, JWE

Are there queues forming to provide the firing party?

ORIGINAL: JeffK

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
Don, how comes HMAS Lolita is not in DaBabes?

Because http://www.amazon.com/Australian-New-Ze ... 0868240958 does not list her! Where did you find her?

P.S. Thanks to Jeff for all the good data. Some obvious errors in the corvettes. But many of the arrival date and even some arrival location "errors" were intentional. A working-up period was indeed estimated for new construction. Also those that served in the Pacific, went (temporarily) to the Med, and returned were just put in one time (the return) instead of troubling the player with witherdraw-return for smaller ships. Lastly, completion dates for ships completed after the war were accelerated. Everything slowed down once the war ended but would have been much faster had it continued.

P.P.S. Happy to hear any more corrections.

Don, I can totally understand your comment but it is far from the facts.

We have ships arriving on their Commisioning date, but at the wrong location.
We have ships arriving up to a year in advance of their Commisioning date.
We have at least 6 which dont show at all.

Especially in DBB where a myriad of smaller ships were put into the database, this is not up to the standard of the mod.

Why cant people just say "we got it wrong, thanks for the update" just as DBB is an update on Vanilla and AE is an update on WITP.

Well I think he's just remembering as best he can without diving back into all the details... [8D]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Don, I can totally understand your comment but it is far from the facts.

We have ships arriving on their Commisioning date, but at the wrong location.
We have ships arriving up to a year in advance of their Commisioning date.
We have at least 6 which dont show at all.

Especially in DBB where a myriad of smaller ships were put into the database, this is not up to the standard of the mod.

Why cant people just say "we got it wrong, thanks for the update" just as DBB is an update on Vanilla and AE is an update on WITP.

Humm...

Hey, stay nice - we all work together for a better game.

It is easy to cause data glitches, or sometimes the sources have wrong data already.


Don, re HMAS Lolita - she is even in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sh ... alian_Navy

When I saw her in the list, I did some furher googeling (taking care to erase the surfing history - don't want to explain to my wife why I have googeld for "Lolita"... [:D])

Found bits of info in other forums, Amazon book sneakpeaks (esp. on the Midget attack at Sydney which involved HMAS Lolita) etc. and in that course also some more ships to add.

Strangely, the only full Wikipedia article for her is in Polish: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Lolita

Also see http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/s ... p?p=126180 or http://www.afloat.com.au/afloat-magazin ... 10/Letters

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Don, re HMAS Lolita - she is even in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sh ... alian_Navy

When I saw her in the list, I did some furher googeling (taking care to erase the surfing history - don't want to explain to my wife why I have googeld for "Lolita"... [:D])

My chuckle for the day - thanks!

Glad to be of service [:)]. Just to avoid any misunderstandings, I should underline the fact that I have been searching for RAN ships, found the Wikipedia list, noticed a ship called "Lolita" and then googled for her - and not the other way round. And I used the search term "HMAS Lolita" to avoid potentially distracting results [:-].

Don, I'm a bit proud that I have found something that is not in Zygotes. I mean, you have this obscure "Southern Cross" mission supply ship and even HMAS Kuru in your mod [X(].

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Glad to be of service [:)]. Just to avoid any misunderstandings, I should underline the fact that I have been searching for RAN ships, found the Wikipedia list, noticed a ship called "Lolita" and then googled for her - and not the other way round. And I used the search term "HMAS Lolita" to avoid potentially distracting results [:-].

Don, I'm a bit proud that I have found something that is not in Zygotes. I mean, you have this obscure "Southern Cross" mission supply ship and even HMAS Kuru in your mod [X(].

We'll back you up with your wife! [:D]

What about the range of the SD Radar, looks to me like it is much to high:
http://www.hnsa.org/doc/radar/part4.htm#pgSD-5
Further down at that page you get the max range for detecting small planes above 1000 feet, that is 15 miles, in game it is 25.
Ok the value for large planes would be 20 miles but "large" would to me at least be some kind of level bomber I'm not sure if the Japanese Player would use them for hunting subs, they sure have something better to do with the bigger planes.

Allied CVE issues

699 Bougue Wpn 3 and 4 two sets of 40mm on Right side. This should be Wpn 3 Right Side Wpn 4 Left Side
701 Sangamon Wpn 7 and 9 two sets of 20mm on Right side. This should be Wpn 7 Right Side Wpn 8 Left Side
703 Casablanca Wpn 4 and 5 two sets of 20mm on Right side. This should be Wpn 4 Right Side Wpn 5 Left Side

Found this in Scen 6 and 28. Suspect it's in the other scenarios as well.

Repeat Benson 8/42 upgrade has two air search radars and no SG-SS. Seems to be in all scenarios.

Unit 5656 LST Type II has two sets of 4x 1540 - 20mm Oeriklon AA Guns RS - Wpn 8 and 9.

Need to change Wpn 9 to to LS

In Scenario 001 Ships 9967 & 9970 carry the same Name "Sumac".

Just for the Chrome:
The CL class called "Helena" should be named "St. Louis" at least that is the class name I usually found when I searched for them.

ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Just for the Chrome:
The CL class called "Helena" should be named "St. Louis" at least that is the class name I usually found when I searched for them.

Both should be modified Brooklyn class.

They are, but as they have there own class names I would go for them.

ship class 1384/5  momi - deep charge launchers it have 2x right side + 1x left side, but i think he should have 1xright/left/rear.

In the game, USS Allen (Sampson class DD) is armed with 4x4in/50 guns and 4x triple torpedo tubes.

However, her after action report for Dec. 7 mentions that her crew "manned Guns No. 5 and No. 6 – 3"-50 caliber" and that she expended 57 round of 3in ammo, splashing one plane (see http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/shi ... Pearl.html ).

Google comes up with conflicting info, apparently she lost half her torpedo tubes in exchange for either DC projectors and 20mm guns or the 3in/50 guns.

Does someone has more definite info about her armament?

Found a database glitch:

There are two Liberty ships named John L(.) McCarley - slots 7400 (Balboa 450301) and 8559 (Portland 450413) in Scen 01.

In DBB, they are at slots 13743 and 13381.

Since she was built in Panama City, FL and launched 14th February 1945, I will go with Balboa 450301.


Another duplicate is Liberty ship William J(.) Riddle - slots 7398 and 8854.

In DBB, slot numbers are 13745 and 13746 - and there is a third William J. Riddle at 13676


No wonder the Allies have an abundance of shipping [:D] [;)]

After the chance findings above I have run the ships csv file through Excel's duplictae values function.

Found a couple more duplicates of ships of same class (mostly Liberty ships).

This is the data for the DBB mod - haven't checked stock, assume same issue is there, just with differnt slot numbers.

13062 BjarneALia
13747 BjarneALia
13065 CFrancisJenkins
13731 CFrancisJenkins
8484 CHa-195 > just a typo, should be Cha-194
8485 CHa-195
13075 CharlesADraper
13751 CharlesADraper
13079 CharlesDWalcott
13739 CharlesDWalcott
13085 CharlesHMarshall
13740 CharlesHMarshall
13140 DudleyHThomas
13744 DudleyHThomas
13154 EdwardKCollins
13730 EdwardKCollins
13166 EdwinDHoward
13741 EdwinDHoward
13250 GranvilleSHall
13738 GranvilleSHall
13255 HHRaymond
13718 HHRaymond
13328 JamesHKimball
13713 JamesHKimball
13344 JamesWWheeler
13753 JamesWWheeler
13536 RafaelRRivera
13752 RafaelRRivera
13607 TAJohnston
13719 TAJohnston
13626 VernonSHood
13742 VernonSHood
13641 WendellLWillkie
13748 WendellLWillkie

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

In the game, USS Allen (Sampson class DD) is armed with 4x4in/50 guns and 4x triple torpedo tubes.

However, her after action report for Dec. 7 mentions that her crew "manned Guns No. 5 and No. 6 – 3"-50 caliber" and that she expended 57 round of 3in ammo, splashing one plane (see http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/shi ... Pearl.html ).

Google comes up with conflicting info, apparently she lost half her torpedo tubes in exchange for either DC projectors and 20mm guns or the 3in/50 guns.

Does someone has more definite info about her armament?

No definite mention about rearming but:
From http://www.destroyers.org/Histories/h-DD-66.htm

On 23 August 1940, the ALLEN was recommissioned. While others of her vintage, such as the CONWAY (DD-70), CONNER (DD-72), and STOCKTON (DD-73), were among the fifty destroyers transferred to Great Britain in exchange for naval bases, the ALLEN was ordered to join Destroyer Division 80 on the West Coast. In December 1940, she proceeded to Pearl Harbor, and on the morning of 7 December 1941, she was moored in East Loch, to the northeast of Ford Island and just southeast of the hospital ship SOLACE (AH-5). During the Japanese attack, Elliot R. Milliken was gun captain of the No. 6, 3-inch/.50-caliber gun. When a shell jammed in the gun, he gave no thought to his personal safety and forcibly rammed the fused projectile from the barrel of the gun, promptly putting it back in action. The destroyer went on to assist in splashing three enemy planes, sustaining neither casualties nor damage. The ALLEN remained on antisubmarine patrol in the Pearl Harbor Defensive Sea Area where, on 27 December, she rescued twelve of the crew from a merchant ship sunk by an enemy submarine