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ORIGINAL: 1275psi


Its a tricky one aint it.
If you suffer less than 6 CV, 4 or 5 CVe, 60 DDs half a dozen CAs hit by kamis trying to penetrate the inner defences -then you will have got of very lightly, because thats what it cost in real life[X(]

Where do you get these figures? What I have read Kami's where not that effective againts CV's??? I mean none of the US fleet CV's sunk due to Kami's to my knowledge. I think 1 was "seriously" hit if I remember correctly.

Anyway. A lot of tempting targets for you Andy. Whatever you do use your LBA bombers to maxium advantage! [;)]

did not claim that many sunk - lots hit though.
Crikey, seem to remember some British Cv being hit several times -and simply sweeping the decks basically to resume ops 15 minutes later.

Then again there was the franklin[:(]...........

have to chase up the facts, but just what PZB posted was a good clue (nothing like a real life example to send a shiver up your spine hey?)

I do remember reading of a DD on picket duty so sick of being attacked that it actually put out a sign - CVs that way....[8|]

Go for Java, if for nothing else then just for purely sentimental reasons [:D]

The Third Battle of Java, we will win this one'!

As your supply lines are being pounded and the new Kami tactics are worrying you, I think you might want to consider "cleaning up" some of the more troublesome rear areas where large airfields exist. Maybe just the creation of a "clean-up force" that goes around taking bases along your supply lines/behind your main line would be an efficient use of one corps while you're looking elsewhere.

Part of the problem you seem to be facing with some of your covoys is thatt hey have to steam past a row of Japanese bases with planes on them. Since you've activated the Kamis (a bad decision IMHO), you have to live with what they can do -- although I do agree that the high-level attacks are a cheap exploit.

3rd Java battle is an option but I am not sure yet if thats the way to go recon 1st.
 
Medck yup thats the plan I am reviewing options to have 1 stong reaction force and 2 or 3 small forces to go round captring bases and cleaning up the rear area.
 
1275 as I said I have no problem with a Kami threat or even taking hits I just object to the mechanism used and dont like the control it gives.
 
However no matter how many ships are hit I will go on I really dont think PZB is going to like in any way shape or form the tactics I am going to use to counter this.
 
He doesnt like airborne and FT invasions well he is about to face lots of them as I inch forward under a cloud of LBA it is unstoppable and for the Japanese impossible to stop also its boring as hell and I know it pisses PZB off but if thats what I gotta do thats what will happen.
 
Re keeping to historical timetable up until the Marianas I was ahead of history the US really did move this fast if anything I am going a lot slower than happened in RL and thats fine but the game will end in 12 months leaving the job unfinished and I would hate for that to be the case.

ORIGINAL: 1275psi
I do remember reading of a DD on picket duty so sick of being attacked that it actually put out a sign - CVs that way....[8|]

I remember reading that story, can anyone remember more details?

ORIGINAL: Wolfie1

ORIGINAL: 1275psi
I do remember reading of a DD on picket duty so sick of being attacked that it actually put out a sign - CVs that way....[8|]

I remember reading that story, can anyone remember more details?

Were the Jap pilots able to read English??

LOL Castor ! Yeah I'd love a reference for this story

As for Java I would definatly isolate it and start bombing resource centers asap; even if you dont plan on invading.  This tactic would throw him off gaurd and require him to either leave his troops to slowly rot or supply them by barge which is voulnerable to DD/PT interception.  If you do decide to go forward with Java then try to figure out where his HQs are stationed (if there are any) and ruthlessly and relentlessly bomb and bombard that spot. As the island losses supply all exess supplies with be drawn to the HQ location for prompt destruction by you.  Its been my experience the best way to find out where the supply horde is, is by bombing with a set # of AC on port or airfield attack and then recording the supply hits. The more supply in a base the more possible hits you will get. Also look for an abnormaly high troop count compared to guns that indicates the presences of lots of support troops. It isnt a science but it seems to helps some. Lastly, drop a small contigent of paratroops in to probe the defences, the combat screen will tell you the rest (its a little gamey though as dead troops would have a tough time reporting back).

As for ny59giants comments i would invade north Java first to cut off reinforcements from Sumatra.  Keep a screening force at the invasion site and the bases near it and he shouldnt be able to get barges thru. Something as small as 6 Pts could turn back barges so it wouldnt require a huge investment of naval power to do. As long as you control the straits with airpower it will be tough to get anything bigger than a barge into the Java Sea.

I will certainly do the recon bit but I am still not convinced of a Java invasion.
 
I am going to position for a few recons and see what is out there.
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/24/44
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Night Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 31,64
 
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 12
 
Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 10
 
Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5N Hellcat: 2 damaged
 
Allied Ships
AK Amador
AK Alhena
AP George F. Elliot
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Night Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 31,64
 
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 16
H8K Emily x 9
 
Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 10
 
Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
H8K Emily: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5N Hellcat: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
 
Allied Ships
AP George F. Elliot
DE Whitman
AK Memphis City
AK Cheleb
AK Ascella
DE Harold C. Thomas
AO Saugatuck
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x H8K Emily launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x H8K Emily launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Night Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 31,64
 
Japanese aircraft
H8K Emily x 6
 
Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 9
 
Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5N Hellcat: 5 damaged
 
Allied Ships
AO Saugatuck
AP Wayne, Torpedo hits 1,  heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI(G)-77,  heavy damage
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 2 x H8K Emily launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x H8K Emily launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
 
Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 94
J2M Jack x 48
G4M2 Betty x 25
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 143
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 3
 
No Japanese losses
 
Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 211
 
Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
11 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
48 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
43 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
43 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
 6 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
 4 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
 4 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 353
D4Y Judy x 66
B6N Jill x 70
B7A Grace x 63
G4M2 Betty x 23
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 35
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 71
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 37
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 363
 
Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
35 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
35 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
32 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
26 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
16 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
17 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
18 x B7A Grace bombing at 1000 feet
 4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 2 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
 8 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
48 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
48 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
21 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
10 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73
 
Japanese aircraft
no flights
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 28
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
 
Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 11
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79
 
Japanese aircraft
no flights
 
Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 7
B-24J Liberator x 11
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
 
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 14
 
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Biak , at 46,77
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 6
B-24J Liberator x 11
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 9 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
 
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 9
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
 
 
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 6
Kittyhawk I x 10
Kittyhawk III x 10
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 16
Beaufort V-IX x 14
F-5C Lightning x 7
A-20G Havoc x 14
B-25J Mitchell x 14
PB4Y Liberator x 10
B-24J Liberator x 132
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 194
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 5 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x Beaufighter Mk 21 strafing at 100 feet
24 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
18 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 8 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
18 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 strafing at 100 feet
 3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 10000 feet
 7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 24
P-40N Warhawk x 10
B-25J Mitchell x 87
PB4Y Liberator x 3
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 47
 
Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
21 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 7 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manokwari , at 44,75
 
Japanese aircraft
no flights
 
Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 22
 
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15
 
Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wotje , at 82,79
 
 
Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 22
A-20G Havoc x 61
B-25J Mitchell x 61
B-24J Liberator x 47
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 107
 
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
26 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
25 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
15 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 9 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 4 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 4 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81
 
 
Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 6
Spitfire VIII x 3
A-20G Havoc x 9
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
 
Runway hits 15
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 5 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81
 
 
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 35
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 41
 
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83
 
 
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 30
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 36
 
Aircraft Attacking:
30 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83
 
 
Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 23
F-5C Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 21
B-24J Liberator x 52
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 123
 
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 711th USA Tank Battalion, at 33,62
 
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 22
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
 
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 711th USA Tank Battalion, at 33,62
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 20
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3
 
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 8th Ind. Brigade, at 45,76
 
 
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
Kittyhawk III x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 12
F-5C Lightning x 1
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 4 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76
 
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 12
P1Y Frances x 15
 
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 11
 
Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 6 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 3 damaged
 
Allied Ships
DE Lamons
AK Benjamin Carpenter, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
SC SC-631
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 4 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 2 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68
 
 
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 5
 
 
No Allied losses
 
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
 
 
Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1
 
 
No Allied losses
 
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81
 
 
Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1
 
 
No Allied losses
 
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76
 
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 3
P1Y Frances x 11
 
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 6
 
Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 damaged
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
 
 
Allied Ships
DE Lamons, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
DE Hilbert
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 
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Ground combat at Noemfoor
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 23630 troops, 142 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 477
 
Defending force 22653 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 497
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
 
 
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Ground combat at 33,62
 
Allied Shock attack
 
Attacking force 7402 troops, 0 guns, 379 vehicles, Assault Value = 220
 
Defending force 7451 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 152
 
Allied max assault: 284 - adjusted assault: 84
 
Japanese max defense: 103 - adjusted defense: 41
 
Allied assault odds: 2 to 1
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
163 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 6
 
 
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
 
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Ground combat at Makale
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 1929 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 259
 
Defending force 7304 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 165
 
 

One of your earlier plans was to go for Singapore to get the port and repair yard. Now I know you have reservations about landing in Java, but Soerabaja can be built to a lvl 9 port. A nice place to put a naval HQ, 4 ARs and do some front-line ship repairs [;)]
(Mmm will need to secure the area from air attack and would tie down one of your Corps for defense......[:(])

I am starting to feel like McClelland to many plans but not willing to play with all my pretty soldiers !!!
 
I need to commit to one plan and stick to it and the one thing I must do is if I commit to an attack it must be important enough to tie up a Corps for the long haul
 
Despite the lack of a naval yard Malaya (if not Singapore) looks good for the large numbers of good AF's.
 
Java just feels like an out of the way diversion all the arguments that have been made make sense but it just doesnt feel right.
 
Dazed and Confused a little at present.
 
I will spend a few more days reconning and then decide

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Oooh this is exciting an Omaha class CL (USS Swayback) and some DD's are going toe to toe with the mighty Yamato !!!!

I believe the cruiser is Salt Lake City..."Swayback Maru" was her nickname and IIRC the details of the ship match a Pensacola Class.

ORIGINAL: Feinder

I'm sorry, somebody catch me up here. What's the issue here? I hate to see one of the long-running PBEMs go south.

-F-

Just a game design with soooo many holes causing grief again. It's the battle of who get's to use more exploits. Be nice if they fixed the game based on a couple years of play seeing as the game was sold with inadequate testing. Can't eliminate all exploits but the basic ones like the Air model and the Naval Bombardment Model

Thanks Ron should have realised it was a CA I Guess

Andy assuming you bypass Java and go for Singapore, how do you intend to supply singapore? You would have to supress or escort every convoy brining in supplies. With your current Merchant Marrine losses can you safely lose more? Im not trying to argue for java but the problem in the Java Sea is there are so many bases from which PZB can launch strikes on your convoys.

If you do go for Singapore how do you plan on suppressing Java, Sumatra, N. Borneo, North Malaya, and the Vietnam area? Can you long range Cap from exsiting bases all the way to Singapore? With all those basees could you effectively invade Malaya, or would this turn into another Marianas? If PZB sees this comming and he might (based on the increse in troop #s in Singapore itself) how many A/C can he throw at you and your fleet? 500 a day? 1000 a day? [X(] Singapore to me seems like a market garden, big gain but big risk. What is the worst case senario?

Malaya without supporting bases is not possible I so want to bypass strength but in reality I am at full extension now my convoysget hit to often in the rear so I will neeed to capure bases if I am to advance.
 
It is which ones that I am wrestling with at present
 
Andy
 
 
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/26/44
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Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64
 
Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 29
 
Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 7
 
Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5N Hellcat: 1 damaged
 
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
 
Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 90
J2M Jack x 47
G4M2 Betty x 27
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 141
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 36
 
No Japanese losses
 
Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 213
 
Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
35 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
31 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
15 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
47 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
42 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
44 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
 4 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 19
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
 
Runway hits 4
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 7 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 10
B-24J Liberator x 19
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Runway hits 20
 
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Biak , at 46,77
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 2
 
Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 5
B-24J Liberator x 7
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13
 
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 4
Kittyhawk I x 10
Kittyhawk III x 8
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 14
Beaufort V-IX x 15
F-5C Lightning x 6
A-20G Havoc x 11
B-25J Mitchell x 12
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 125
 
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 197
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 6 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
24 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 6 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
16 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 2 x Beaufighter Mk 21 strafing at 100 feet
 3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
 9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 10000 feet
 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 2 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 4
 
Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 6
P-38J Lightning x 44
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-29 Superfortress x 118
 
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 13 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 190
 
Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
24 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
 2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
 
 
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 25
P-40N Warhawk x 18
B-25J Mitchell x 80
PB4Y Liberator x 6
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 68
 
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manokwari , at 44,75
 
Japanese aircraft
no flights
 
Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 21
 
Japanese aircraft losses
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
 
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10
 
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wotje , at 82,79
 
 
Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 27
A-20G Havoc x 59
B-25J Mitchell x 61
B-24J Liberator x 46
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 128
 
Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
36 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
27 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
11 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 6 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81
 
 
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 29
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 47
 
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
 7 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83
 
 
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 42
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 16
 
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83
 
 
Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 28
F-5C Lightning x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 15
B-24J Liberator x 47
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 76
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
20 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
 8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 20
 
Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 6
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
 
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 32nd NLF , at 42,68
 
 
Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 12
TBM Avenger x 33
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
33 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 711th USA Tank Battalion, at 33,62
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 20
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
86 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3
 
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 815th USA Tank Destroyer Battalion, at 33,62
 
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 22
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3
 
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 24th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 33,61
 
 
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 26
B-25J Mitchell x 14
PB4Y Liberator x 6
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76
 
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 26
 
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 10
 
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
 
 
Allied Ships
SC SC-631, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
DE Lamons,  heavy damage
AK Benjamin Carpenter, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Australian Victory
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
 1 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
 4 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
 4 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
 4 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
 4 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
 4 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 10
B7A Grace x 5
P1Y Frances x 9
 
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 15
 
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
P1Y Frances: 6 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged
 
Allied Ships
AK Australian Victory
AK Benjamin Carpenter,  on fire,  heavy damage
DE Lamons,  heavy damage
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76
 
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 13
 
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 8
 
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 3 damaged
 
Allied Ships
DE Lamons, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
DE Hilbert
AK Benjamin Carpenter,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
 4 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
 4 x P1Y Frances bombing at 7000 feet
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Sub attack at 35,50
 
Japanese Ships
PG Nanpo Maru
MSW W.14
PC Shonan Maru #17
PG Nikkai Maru
PG Kyo Maru #10
PG Keiko Maru
PG Chosa Maru
 
Allied Ships
SS Cobia
 
 
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Ground combat at Noemfoor
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 23928 troops, 147 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 508
 
Defending force 22070 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 488
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
 
 
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Ground combat at Makale
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 741 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 227
 
Defending force 323 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20
 

Malaya without supporting bases is not possible I so want to bypass strength but in reality I am at full extension now my convoysget hit to often in the rear so I will neeed to capure bases if I am to advance.

It is which ones that I am wrestling with at present

Sounds like you need to consolidate your gains. Capture a couple of the larger enemy bases and use these to isolate and pound the remaining bases. No need to take them all.

Aye Ron before going any deeper I am looking at Macasser Amboina and finishing off Noemfoor.
 
In the meantime my spearhead Divison is in sore need of 3 months rebuilding 3rd NZ has been the spearpoint to long they are withdrawing towards Darwin for a rest

Been doing some reorganisation to try and accomodate new plans
 
11th US Corps is getting stripped of its units and sent to reserve its units are being split mamongst other forces.