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Turn 61

German armament Pts in pool: 0
German manpower in pool: 65,000
SHC units destroyed after November 1st 1941: 140
SHC units in a pocket: 4
Enemy KIA this turn: 72,000 Enemy KIA: 5,522,000
SHC OOB: 6,927,000
SHC net OOB change: +38,000
GHC KIA this turn: 35,000 GHC KIA:2,187,000
GHC OOB: 3,313,000
GHC net OOB change: -27,000

AGC: I Corp. and 4th PG starts pushing to striaghten the lines toward Moscow. The one down side to going all rifle divisions and tank Corp. is that the Russian lines can be easly pushed back along any front, if the German player wants to push for a single objective. I can attack about 20 times per turn vs divisional stacks and my OOB will grow 12k to 15k per turn. It would appear to me a more balanced approach would be better.

AGS: Offensive operations almost complete.

By the first snow turn I should have 4 lines of level 2 and 3 forts from the land bridge south. 2 belts of the Western Wall and 2 belts at front lines.
I will also have a reserve of 2 full Infantry Corp. for plugging holes and 5 Panzer Corp. for counter attacking.

Turn 62

German armament Pts in pool: 0
German manpower in pool: 65,000
SHC units destroyed after November 1st 1941: 144
SHC units in a pocket:
Enemy KIA this turn: 60,000 Enemy KIA: 5,580,000
SHC OOB: 6,971,000
SHC net OOB change: +41,000
GHC KIA this turn: 18,000 GHC KIA:2,205,000
GHC OOB: 3,325,000
GHC net OOB change: +12,000

AGN: The push for Moscow begins. I started out operations to gain some space, but seeing it was so easy to push around 8421 units and keep my OOB growing or static I have desided to push for Moscow and the 200ish manpower points in the area. 1/2 of 18th is here so the route the first row of hexes and mech units push another set of hexes east.
The rest of 18th will arrive over the next few turns along with several PZ Corp.

As I push east I will try for pockets on the flanks, but the first goal each turn is 2 hexes deep 3+ wide east. That should put me close to Moscow before mud. During mud and snow my high morale infantry units will take all replasements so they will be at 100% toe during city assault. Max poineers, artillary and air support. I will assault the city during blizzard as rivers will be froozen. Looks like 8421 is getting about 120,000 replasements per turn so that should take 15,000 at least off the replasements per turn.

Thats the plan anyways.

AGS finishes off pocket and starts digging in.

Turn 63

German armament Pts in pool: 0
German manpower in pool: 65,000
SHC units destroyed after November 1st 1941: 144
SHC units in a pocket:
Enemy KIA this turn: 28,000 Enemy KIA: 5,608,000
SHC OOB: 7,040,000
SHC net OOB change: +70,000
GHC KIA this turn: 15,000 GHC KIA:2,220,000
GHC OOB: 3,335,000
GHC net OOB change: +10,000

Most of the front lines I would like for 42/43 winter are in my hands. My OOB is rising about 10k per turn. 5 panzer Corp and 4 Infantry Corp. are being refitted for counter attacking from Tula South.
I am hoping to trade the buffer in center over the winter fort belt at front will be 2 deep before mud. As I retreat to the Wall my lines will shorten. The 30 divisions in reserve will be used to counter the standard blob push in center most Russians use to push past fort belts.

Then hold fast at the western wall unit until 1944, the wall is 2 deep alrdy of forts. German OOB grows quickly during 43.


The Drive on Moscow started last turn and seems to be driving forward nicely.

I should be able to conduct 10 -12 attacks per turn and keep OOB growing. These attacks will keep my morale up also.
The main objectives are the 171 manpower points between the Moscow front and the towns close to Moscow itself. At this time 8421 is receiving about 100k-120k replacements per turn, before any kind of loses. The loss of the manpower points would be a large hit over the rest of the war.
About 160 hexes need to be flipped.

Turn 64

German armament Pts in pool: 5000
German manpower in pool: 65,000
SHC units destroyed after November 1st 1941: 144
SHC units in a pocket:
Enemy KIA this turn: 37,000 Enemy KIA: 5,645,000
SHC OOB: 7,099,000
SHC net OOB change: +59,000
GHC KIA this turn: 17,000 GHC KIA:2,237,000
GHC OOB: 3,350,000
GHC net OOB change: +15,000

AGC forses drive another 20 miles towards Moscow and more forses arrive at the front. Both OOB's are growing at a steady pase.

Turn 65

German armament Pts in pool: 5000
German manpower in pool: 42,000
SHC units destroyed after November 1st 1941: 144
SHC units in a pocket:
Enemy KIA this turn: 36,000 Enemy KIA: 5,681,000
SHC OOB: 7,198,000
SHC net OOB change: +90,000
GHC KIA this turn: 26,000 GHC KIA:2,253,000
GHC OOB: 3,351,000
GHC net OOB change: +1,000

AGC another 2 miles closer.

AGS pushing south east to see if I cant straighten lines a little.

Turn 66

German armament Pts in pool: 5000
German manpower in pool: 42,000
SHC units destroyed after November 1st 1941: 144
SHC units in a pocket: 11
Enemy KIA this turn: 53,000 Enemy KIA: 5,734,000
SHC OOB: 7,136,000
SHC net OOB change: -60,000
GHC KIA this turn: 29,000 GHC KIA:2,282,000
GHC OOB: 3,347,000
GHC net OOB change: -4,000

AGN units push another 20 miles closer to Moscow.

Turn 67

German armament Pts in pool: 5000
German manpower in pool: 42,000
SHC units destroyed after November 1st 1941: 144
SHC units in a pocket: 11
Enemy KIA this turn: 50,000 Enemy KIA: 5,780,000
SHC OOB: 7,157,000
SHC net OOB change: 20,000
GHC KIA this turn: 38,000 GHC KIA:2,320,000
GHC OOB: 3,326,000
GHC net OOB change: -20,000

The Battle for Moscow rages on! 8421 makes a thrust on the northern side and gets a breakthrough with 5 tank Corp.

On the south side he reopens the pocketed infantry units.

At the front of the bulge the German units are only 20 miles from Moscow!

This SS is before my moves.

After my moves 8421 tank thrust is cut off again and infantry sealed off.

This is I beleive the 8th tank/cav breakthrough 8421 has tried and all have ended in the loss of many Corps. 20+ anyways.

I am very very happy to have removed all these units before late 43. Not sure what the effect will be, but cant be anything but good for me.

I am guessing i the past this has worked for him. With mud around the corner I will be preparing my mech units to make counter attacks vs this tactic 8421 can't seem to stop himself from doing over and over to my delight.

The game is in the balence for sure. As the prize Moscow is so close, but yet very far away.

I am going to have to retool 18th army at somepoint to make the final push during 43 and move 1/2 my panzer units area to take adavantage of these tank thrust I am 100% sure I will be seeing during blizzard.

Balanced or not it's a darn creepy SS ... your opponent can afford his losses, whereas if he succeeds in that encirclement...  He probably won't, but still quite a hair raising situation you've got there.

Turn 68

German armament Pts in pool: 5000
German manpower in pool: 52,000
SHC units destroyed after November 1st 1941: 148
SHC units in a pocket: 4
Enemy KIA this turn: 120,000 Enemy KIA: 5,853,000
SHC OOB: 7,158,000
SHC net OOB change: ,000
GHC KIA this turn: 23,000 GHC KIA:2,353,000
GHC OOB: 3,295000
GHC net OOB change: -30,000

All five tank Corp. are destoryed and 4 rifle divisions completely cut off. The down side for 8421 is yet another loss of trucks and tanks, but he was able to stop the march east as my forses had to wipe out the counter attack and sure up the flanks before mud hits.

Also strong russian forses are building up east of Rzhev, 1 infantry corp and 2 panzer corp are moving to this area to sure it up before mud.

Once the 4 rifle divisions are gone next turn this will shorten the front and free up some units I can move to the north side of the operation.

Most of the front north and south of The Battle for Moscow is quite other then the sound of shovels digging and units refitting.

Game will be on hold until they get server fixed, I have played turn 67 several times, turn 68 a few, turn 69 and turn 70.

Game is now back on turn 68 again.

Guess I will take a 1 week time out until they can get the server protected.

Each reset goes back to turn 68, can anyone say GROUND HOG DAY!!

Turn 69

German armament Pts in pool: 5000
German manpower in pool: 52,000
SHC units destroyed after November 1st 1941: 152
SHC units in a pocket:
Enemy KIA this turn: 65,000 Enemy KIA: 5,915,000
SHC OOB: 7,191,000
SHC net OOB change: 33,000
GHC KIA this turn: 20,000 GHC KIA:2,373,000
GHC OOB: 3,315,000
GHC net OOB change: 20,000

M60
Turn 69
Russian units destroyed after November 1st 1941= 190
Russian Total dead: 6,322,000
Russian OOB: 6,116,00
GHC OOB: 3,583,000

M60 had the better 41, but was not able to follow up with a good 42.
8421 had a poor 41, but was able to strip units and had a good layered defence during 42.
M60 loss about 400,000 more units and his OOB is about 1,000,000 less. I am guessing a big part of the difference is 8421 was able to hang onto more manpower centers as both players lost next to nothing in armament pts.

Q-ball and a few others have games in AAR's that are very similar to my game vs 8421. Only difference is I have kept attacking until mud season as they went over to the defensive mid summer.

The main thing I am learning from these games is Moscow is there for the taking come 42. I should have gone for it first thing. I would have easly taken it seeing how easy it is to push around this rifle divisions layered defence late summer. There are costs for sure, but if you have to push as the German you should just go right for Moscow first thing. With out 20 or so rifle corps there is no way Moscow can be held during 42 with only rifle divisions/ tank and cav Corp.

I still might be able to take it before January, but its not looking to good at this point.

I was able to hold 8421 OOB static during 42 and mine has done the same. I gained some space and have 4 layers of forts form Vyazma to Azov sea. If I would have stopped attacking in mid 42 8421 army would be at 8,000,000 +. German moral is high from top to bottom with only a hand full of units under 70 Moral.

I have set fort toe to 100%. Before the end of mud all with be at 100%. At that pt I will set it to 50 an all replacements during winter will go to front lines.

German OOB will grow quickly, as units hit 90% toe and are in forts they will go over to static mode. I am going to try and hold lines east of the rivers units spring of 44. Lol that’s allot of turns heheh.

AGC: Several layers of forts. 2 Corp will be put in reserve come winter.

Hopefully over the winter I can keep 8421 just east of The Pelton Line. Once 43 summer hits I will us rivers ect as defensive lines.

AGS: Again atleast 4 layers of forts. This area alrdy has 4 Panzer Corp. in reserve, plus minor allies. Most of new infantry units will be sent into this area.

Goals are to hold 8421 east of rivers until summer of 1944.

The dead, dieing and cring.

OOB

Turn 75

Not much to report the last 5 turns. Both sides are getting ready for 1943.

I have completely reorganized my army from an offensive forse to a reserve mode counter attacking army.

Going with the standard package high initiative:
OKH 9
AG 8
Armys 7 or 8
Corps 7

4 panzer or mech per army.

My lines are a little long as per the bulge in center, but I can easly retreat to the Pelton Line behind it to shorten lines as needed.

I am saving up to 300 AP so I will be able to put 50 to 60 divisions in static mode and could if needed release everyone in a single turn.

Once I have the 300 saved I will start building the 1944 river line.

This up-date is 5 turns behind game so everything is in plase by now.

I also have a reserve behind the lines rdy to commit where needed.