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RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:32 pm
by Peltonx
ORIGINAL: Flaviusx
You're actually not in terrible shape here if you can keep gobbling up an average of a dozen divisions a turn until winter that's going to add up. Death by a thousand cuts. Sapper hung on a bit too long near the landbridge I think.
Your major problem is Leningrad. He can pretty much throw everything in the center now. You may have to contrive a long right hook here or at least the threat of one just to force him to keep sending stuff north of Moscow.
The key is space and in the north you will have none to give so start digging. You should have been over the Pskov turn 2, but it is what it is.
I would stop at Crimea land bridge and dig in and put your MT divisions there, you do not need that to open up.
Flaviusx is right pocket whatever you can every single turn and that just might save the summer.
I am also tring to come up with a counter to the new hold Leningrad at all cost strategy being used by SHC.
I am looking at driving hard for 4 turns then heading right for Moscow with all the armor and possibly putting I Corp in 2nd army. If you look at the manpower centers Leningrad is nothing. The Fins are usless by 43 anyways.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:46 am
by smokindave34
Turn 11
Overall a decent turn with some good and some bad. The good - I was able to pocket an additional 10 divisions and 4 airborne brigades to try and keep the momentum going. The bad - I lost a lot of battles. Sapper continues to benefit from reserve activations and increases to his modified CV during combat. I'm at about an 84% winning percentage for the campaign so far which isn't terrible but below average.
The Finns continue to string Sapper out to force him to move some forces north - they are not his best units but I still don't have to deal with them.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:49 am
by smokindave34
Turn 11 - AGN
Still quiet here - I moved I corps NW to support trying to straighten out my lines. I expect trouble here during the blizzard if I'm strung out like this. Recon does show he is kind of thin here and maybe I can get something going although I expect when he sees the extra infantry Sapper will transfer some units to this area.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:53 am
by smokindave34
Turn 11 - Velike Luki
The biggest dissapointment of the turn. I started this turn planning to cut off VL with LVI corps and 3rd panzer group. Manstein did his part but 3rd panzer failed miserably. The unit in the level 1 fort next to my panzers held off 4 deliberate attacks by infantry and panzers. Reserve activations in 3 of those battles helped turn the tide.
The two new divisions I encircled next to Smolensk may be freed by an attack here from Sapper. That stack with an attack CV of 12 has me worried, hopefully it's just poor recon.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:55 am
by smokindave34
Turn 11 AGC
I used my panzers here to form another pocket further east using the river line as a shield for my motorized regiments. I really really don't like breaking down divisions but did so to close the pocket. The weak spot is LAH division - if Sapper attacks there I expect him to re-open supply to these units. One bonus is that of the 10 divisions I encircled this turn about half are cavalry divisions - they are gold to the Soviets. They are certainly very valuable in the blizzard but in my game versus "The Pro's" I feared the cavalry corps more than the Tank/Mech corps all the way to 1945.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:58 am
by Peltonx
terje439 had another 1941 disaster, but is in a position to get a draw.
tm.asp?m=3294378
You should closely follow his blizzard strategy and do the same in 42 as he did if possible. SHC skill levels might be different.
But clearly a huge pull back during blizzard will keep morale gained during 1941 and denying SHC morale gains. This means a much stronger then normal GHC Army come 1942.
My pull back vs MT was to far to the west, but it seems terje439 has perfected the move.
Of course if GHC is able to have a normal 1941 summer+ a pull back like this is not needed.
As long as Germany is able to conserve infantry morale during blizzard and deny SHC gains the game result should be a draw.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:04 am
by smokindave34
Turn 11 AGS
My infantry keep plodding east. 11th army crosses the Dnepr and hopefully this move along with my moves in the Crimea can help get things moving here.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:07 am
by smokindave34
Turn 11 Crimea
Sapper opens the pocket as expected but I re-establish it and add another Cavalry unit to it. I don't plan on getting tied up in the Crimea as there is nothing of value here so my panzers will start moving east next turn. The first partisan attack occurred this turn and cut one of my two rail lines to AGS - that will hurt my MP next turn.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:08 am
by smokindave34
ORIGINAL: Pelton
terje439 had another 1941 disaster, but is in a position to get a draw.
tm.asp?m=3294378
You should closely follow his blizzard strategy and do the same in 42 as he did if possible. SHC skill levels might be different.
But clearly a huge pull back during blizzard will keep morale gained during 1941 and denying SHC morale gains. This means a much stronger then normal GHC Army come 1942.
My pull back vs MT was to far to the west, but it seems terje439 has perfected the move.
Of course if GHC is able to have a normal 1941 summer+ a pull back like this is not needed.
As long as Germany is able to conserve infantry morale during blizzard and deny SHC gains the game result should be a draw.
Thanks Pelton - I'll go and look at Terje's AAR now. Sapper is an excellent player and I expect he will have a strong blizzard. He is very aggressive and hopefully I can use that against him post blizzard.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:32 am
by Peltonx
ORIGINAL: smokindave34
ORIGINAL: Pelton
terje439 had another 1941 disaster, but is in a position to get a draw.
tm.asp?m=3294378
You should closely follow his blizzard strategy and do the same in 42 as he did if possible. SHC skill levels might be different.
But clearly a huge pull back during blizzard will keep morale gained during 1941 and denying SHC morale gains. This means a much stronger then normal GHC Army come 1942.
My pull back vs MT was to far to the west, but it seems terje439 has perfected the move.
Of course if GHC is able to have a normal 1941 summer+ a pull back like this is not needed.
As long as Germany is able to conserve infantry morale during blizzard and deny SHC gains the game result should be a draw.
Thanks Pelton - I'll go and look at Terje's AAR now. Sapper is an excellent player and I expect he will have a strong blizzard. He is very aggressive and hopefully I can use that against him post blizzard.
If you lose to much infantry morale during blizzard you will have a very hard time getting the 1000 AP + manpower centers needed to during 1942 for a draw.
you guys doing a SD game or standard? IF SD you better gain more space if not SD you have space to retreat.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:09 am
by smokindave34
No sudden death in this game Pelton.
I opened up Sappers turn 11 and he launched 23 attacks of which 20 were succesfull. I looked at every battle result and his modified CV went up in every one. I'm not sure what to do differently. I picked 4 random battles - 3 wins and 1 loss. Here they are:
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:10 am
by smokindave34
Battle 2:
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:11 am
by smokindave34
Battle 3:
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:12 am
by smokindave34
Battle 4:
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:13 am
by smokindave34
The one thing I see is that he was attacking units that were pretty fatigued in these results but not every attack was on a fatigued unit. Any thoughts/advice - if I'm losing 20+ battles now I'm in serious trouble.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:56 am
by smokindave34
Here are two more with units that had a bit less fatigue.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:57 am
by smokindave34
And another
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:01 am
by Flaviusx
Just keep pocketing stuff, there's not much else you can do.
His rifle divisions are going to start flipping over to the 41b TOE, and that will help your cause.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:59 am
by Peltonx
I do not see any GS in the battles.
You need to leave GS on that will help.
The major issue is you started out badly and your screwed.
TDV was also a master at winning 10-20 battles a turn, despite taking massive losses 4 million plus both games.
Sapper done at being a master of GHC because his fuel exploits have been nerfed, but he is still a master at exploiting attacks as SHC during 1941.
There are a few SHC that have this figured out and now with the morale design flaw they will have a field day attacking in 1941.
RE: Smokindave vs. Sapper222 (No Sapper)
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:03 pm
by smokindave34
ORIGINAL: Flaviusx
Just keep pocketing stuff, there's not much else you can do.
His rifle divisions are going to start flipping over to the 41b TOE, and that will help your cause.
Thanks Flaviusx. Well I was hoping there was some miracle tactic that would help me out here but I guess not. Sapper tells me that no axis opponent has survived past 1942 against him - thats what my last opponent (The Pro's) also said. I seem to have a knack for picking out excellent opponents (or maybe they are excellent because they play against me?)!