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Gamer's Gate has IL:2 Cliffs of Dover on sale for $2.49!

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-IL2CODUS/i ... s-of-dover

As mentioned before, you need to add the Team Fusion patches to fully enjoy the experience. Get them here

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/f ... 58&p=52711

Even if you don't want the game, but are interested in the aircraft of the period... check out the incredible series of aircraft profiles available here:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/f ... hp?t=16592

Definitely download this guide from Chuck Owl:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-uSp ... authuser=0

Everything you ever wanted to know about aircraft in the Battle of Britain, not just specific CLOD stuff.

Their site is full of instructions and advice about everything in the game. Lots of it worth reading just for the entertainment value.

One day left to take advantage of this incredible value. The game is huge value at $9.95... getting it for $2.49 is actually obscene underpricing.

Don't miss this one [&o]

"Note: This product requires a third-party download and account"

Edit - Never mind. Just the statement itself, turns me away from the game, no matter what it means.

You know what it means. [:D]

ORIGINAL: E

"Note: This product requires a third-party download and account"

Edit - Never mind. Just the statement itself, turns me away from the game, no matter what it means.

It means you get a Steam key! Most every game you buy on Gamer's Gate, Direct to Drive or even Amazon now works this way. Get used to it or give up on a lot of great software.

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

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"Note: This product requires a third-party download and account"

Edit - Never mind. Just the statement itself, turns me away from the game, no matter what it means.

It means you get a Steam key! Most every game you buy on Gamer's Gate, Direct to Drive or even Amazon now works this way. Get used to it or give up on a lot of great software.

All you have to do is agree to the Steam Subscriber Agreement.

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

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"Note: This product requires a third-party download and account"

Edit - Never mind. Just the statement itself, turns me away from the game, no matter what it means.

It means you get a Steam key! Most every game you buy on Gamer's Gate, Direct to Drive or even Amazon now works this way. Get used to it or give up on a lot of great software.

All you have to do is agree to the Steam Subscriber Agreement.

Okay Greybriar, what exactly in that link do you object to???

ORIGINAL: CarnageINC

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn




It means you get a Steam key! Most every game you buy on Gamer's Gate, Direct to Drive or even Amazon now works this way. Get used to it or give up on a lot of great software.

All you have to do is agree to the Steam Subscriber Agreement.

Okay Greybriar, what exactly in that link do you object to???

For one thing:

7 C. NO GUARANTEES

NEITHER VALVE NOR ITS AFFILIATES GUARANTEE CONTINUOUS, ERROR-FREE, VIRUS-FREE OR SECURE OPERATION AND ACCESS TO STEAM, THE CONTENT AND SERVICES, YOUR ACCOUNT AND/OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS(S) OR ANY INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN CONNECTION THEREWITH.

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

ORIGINAL: CarnageINC

ORIGINAL: Greybriar




All you have to do is agree to the Steam Subscriber Agreement.

Okay Greybriar, what exactly in that link do you object to???

For one thing:

7 C. NO GUARANTEES

NEITHER VALVE NOR ITS AFFILIATES GUARANTEE CONTINUOUS, ERROR-FREE, VIRUS-FREE OR SECURE OPERATION AND ACCESS TO STEAM, THE CONTENT AND SERVICES, YOUR ACCOUNT AND/OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS(S) OR ANY INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN CONNECTION THEREWITH.

No to incite you Greybriar but every game you buy from Matrix or Slitherine has the same clauses in them. I believe your a bit to paranoid about that particular clause.

Every company is going to cover its 'arse' in some form or another. All that bullet tells me is if my PC gets infected and I can't log into Steam because of it, its not Steams fault for my infected PC. Same thing is said by Matrix.

http://www.matrixgames.com/termsandconditions.asp

"Limitation of Liability:
IN NO EVENT WILL MG, ITS SUPPLIERS, OR OTHER THIRD PARTIES MENTIONED AT THIS SITE BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THOSE RESULTING FROM LOST PROFITS, LOST DATA OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) ARISING OUT OF THE USE, INABILITY TO USE, OR THE RESULTS OF USE OF THIS SITE, ANY WEB SITES LINKED TO THIS SITE, OR THE MATERIALS OR INFORMATION CONTAINED AT ANY OR ALL SUCH SITES, WHETHER BASED ON WARRANTY, CONTRACT, TORT OR ANY OTHER LEGAL THEORY AND WHETHER OR NOT ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. IF YOUR USE OF THE MATERIALS OR INFORMATION FROM THIS SITE RESULTS IN THE NEED FOR SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION OF EQUIPMENT OR DATA, YOU ASSUME ALL COSTS THEREOF. APPLICABLE LAW MAY NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THE ABOVE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.
"
Same stuff just written differently sir.

I fail to see in the Matrix Limitation of Liability you quoted a clause stating I could lose the use of my account and the games therein, unlike the passage I quoted in the Steam User Agreement.

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

I fail to see in the Matrix Limitation of Liability you quoted a clause stating I could lose the use of my account and the games therein, unlike the passage I quoted in the Steam User Agreement.

I fail to see why you think this is a major point of distrust. Maybe your an older fellow who's interests are narrowed in what you like to play and you don't have any use for Steam, I don't know. But its your right to be paranoid if you so chose to do so but I don't think a company the size of Steam would have any reason to suddenly pull the plug on your account or to deny you access to your games.

I think its nice when you buy the game you get the executable file so you have direct access to it anytime you want to use it. But I believe your limiting yourself from all the wonderful things Steam can do for or offer to you. Its a great client to access a huge multitude of different game genre and sales. In addition it allows you easy access to communicate with friends and to join in on multiplayer games. It allows you to keep all your games up to date with no fuss.

I have no problem if you chose not to trust Steam, its your world sir, you chose the size of it you want to live in [;)]

You aren't the first Steam fanboy I have encountered and no doubt you will not be the last. If you refuse to believe what you read with your own eyes, it is only your own fault.

Enjoy your Steam games while you can.

Good day!

I bought IL2 CoD the day it came out. The actual, physical DVD.

Yep, it's on my Steam list of games too.

So now, all I have to do is d/l from Steam w/o digging out the DVD.

Same with Rome II, Shogun II, To End all Wars, Civ V, Call of Duty Black ops 2, Distant Worlds Universe, and so on.

Never had a problem with Steam.

He's not paranoid.
STEAM really is out to get him.

I saw the file - I saw the code - I can name the names. The first clue was ...was....{THUD! slumps dead onto the floor from radiation poisoning from the polonium teapot}

Just for kicks...

Downloaded To End All Wars from Steam.

Turned off Steam.

Turned off modem.

Oh no!!! Now I can't play it.

Oh, wait, the box comes up that says can't connect.

Drat, still can't play it.

Oh, wait, there is this little button that says off line mode.

Whew, proceeded to play.

SES Jutland and RJW have off line mode too. Don't have to start the game every seven days
to keep it active like I used to.

ORIGINAL: CarnageINC

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn




It means you get a Steam key! Most every game you buy on Gamer's Gate, Direct to Drive or even Amazon now works this way. Get used to it or give up on a lot of great software.

All you have to do is agree to the Steam Subscriber Agreement.

Okay Greybriar, what exactly in that link do you object to???

I have no idea what objections others have but my main objection is the agreement may be changed, and then my only option is to leave, if I am not happy with the changes.

Cut from: 8. AMENDMENTS TO THIS AGREEMENT
....
"Furthermore, Valve may amend this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) unilaterally at any time in its sole discretion."
....
"Your failure to cancel your Account within thirty (30) days after the entry into force of the amendments, will constitute your acceptance of the amended terms. If you don’t agree to the amendments or to any of the terms in this Agreement, your only remedy is to cancel your Account or to cease use of the affected Subscription(s)."

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: CarnageINC

ORIGINAL: Greybriar




All you have to do is agree to the Steam Subscriber Agreement.

Okay Greybriar, what exactly in that link do you object to???

I have no idea what objections others have but my main objection is the agreement may be changed, and then my only option is to leave, if I am not happy with the changes.

Cut from: 8. AMENDMENTS TO THIS AGREEMENT
....
"Furthermore, Valve may amend this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) unilaterally at any time in its sole discretion."
....
"Your failure to cancel your Account within thirty (30) days after the entry into force of the amendments, will constitute your acceptance of the amended terms. If you don’t agree to the amendments or to any of the terms in this Agreement, your only remedy is to cancel your Account or to cease use of the affected Subscription(s)."

My final posting about this subject. I truly feel sad for all of you who allow the little 'legality' of things limit your boundaries in games and probably other aspects of life. I've enjoyed over 10 years of Steam services, I'm sure I will enjoy another 20 more. Like I've said, its your right to be paranoid and its your right to live in the size of world of your own choosing.

In my opinion this old saying sums it up for me, 'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.'

There's another lil ole saying also. The blind followin the blind.[:D]

I'm guessing none of you have credit cards then... as they contain the same kind of "we can do anything we want to you at any time" language. Your option is to go without a credit or debit card... good luck with that.

I quit worrying about all the legalize you have to accept to play a game many years ago. You can't change it, or limit your acceptance... you either comply or don't play the game... any game, actually, as they have all had extensive limitation of liability language since the Apple II days.

Since I only buy games on sale at huge discounts these days, I'm willing to take the risk of some future ability to play the game for the fun I enjoy out of it now. So far, I've been screwed over by Nitro Games (East India Company) and now on Koger's StormPowered (Jutland). Pretty good record considering how many games I have bought in my life.

Steam offers a lot of good support, including some pretty hard hitting reviews to help you evaluate a game. Easy listing of DLC content available, easy access to game manuals, discussion forums, automatic updating, and much more. I really don't think they are going to announce their "closing" any time soon. They have done nothing but grow. I'd be more nervous about buying elsewhere to be honest.

Anyway, you missed a great bargain on CLOD, but it will be back again. Another expansion patch is about ready for release from ATAG too, with more planes, campaigns, and effects. This game will be around for awhile thanks to the community.

another lil ole saying: You can't miss what you never had. [:D]

Also, with game companies like Matrixgames, Slitherine, HPS, etc. etc. as long as they don't follow the steam only path I don't think the majority of us have anything to worry about here. Most of that stuff on steam is well it's just not adult material. Some things but most are not. All the good games I want are here or those others I listed. I certainly don't need steam to have a good gaming time. [:'(]