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RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:37 am
by composer99
Jagdtiger14, it looks like your understanding is pretty much correct. Rules text is:
Advancing after combat
If the combat leaves the target hex empty of enemy land units (MiF option 6: except supply units), you can advance any of your attacking units into the hex. Defending units can never advance.
Turn an advancing unit face-down if the terrain cost of the hex exceeds the unit’s movement allowance.
If the result included a ‘B’, you may be able to advance some attacking units a second hex (unless you converted the ‘B’ into an ‘R’ result).
The first hex of the advance must be the defending hex. If the defending hex only cost 1 movement point (modified for weather), you can advance each attacking HQ-A, ARM and MECH unit a second hex. You can also advance MOT and CAV units a second hex if they start and end the advance stacked with the same HQ-A, ARM or MECH unit. Turn an advancing unit face-down if the cost of the second hex is 2 or more movement points.
(AsA/MiF/PoliF option 2: MOT and CAV corps/armies can’t advance a second hex if only stacked with a MECH or ARM division.)
You can conduct an overrun (see 11.11.6) in the second hex.
Ignore all enemy ZOCs (but not enemy land units) in an advance after combat.
[Italics original; I have omitted some original bolding.
So an ARM or MECH can move up to 2 hexes during the advance after combat stage as long as the first hex cost only 1 movement point (i.e. clear or desert hex in fine weather; maybe some other hexes if you don't play with motorised movement rates and/or you do play with railway movement).
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:54 am
by Centuur
ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14
No ZOC on surprise is something our group NEVER plays with, its way too powerful. I've been to three WiF cons and none of those games were played with that option.
The No ZOC on surprise impulse is historically accurate. Any nation which was attacked was in a mess the first couple of weeks, since the attacking side always new exactly which enemy unit was where at that time and did plan accordingly before attacking. Enemy spies are everywhere in neutral countries...
For example: German mobile units simply bypassed the Russians at Brest Litovsk with no more than 10 km's to spare. So why stop...
I wouldn't want to play without that rule in place, since it's historically right to have...
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:02 pm
by Jagdtiger14
Centaur: I completely agree with you and Cohen that No ZOC on surprise is completely historical and accurate.
The reason that our group does not play with it, and why it wasn't played with in the WiF convention games I was involved in is because it was/is seen as an unbalancing option. I would include this as a third way to defeat the INF div. invasion of Rotterdam.
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:02 pm
by Jagdtiger14
Thank you composer!
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:50 pm
by AllenK
After calling actions, nothing much happens until naval movement.
The CW move 3 CL's to the North Sea 4-box. They are followed by 3 CV, 2 BB and 2 CA from Gib to the 2-box. A BB goes to the 0-box, while 2 BB and a CA go to the 3-box. The Germans remain quiet in anticipation of the expected Trans moves.
First to run the Gauntlet is the Trans from Portsmouth. The CL Nurmberg tries to intercept but fails on a roll of 5. The Trans proceeds to Amsterdam with a Mech. A Trans loaded with a Mot sails from Southampton to the North Sea. The Axis don't notice it (9 rolled) and it too puts into Amsterdam.
One area is available for Naval combat.

RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:53 pm
by AllenK
Polish destroyers initiate the searching. Do the Axis wish to add an Me-109 as Naval Air Support?
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:00 pm
by Mayhemizer_slith
No thank you.
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:27 pm
by AllenK
After all that movement and posturing, it all comes to naught when the Allies roll an 8 and the Axis a 7 for searches.
The Communists pull back from Tungkwan.
The Chinese and French tinker with their positions.
An RAF P-40 rebases to Amsterdam.
No re-orgs.
The weather turns a touch inclement.

RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:02 pm
by Mayhemizer_slith
S/O 1939 Axis 7
No DoW
Japan land, Germany and Italy combined.
Germany brings 8 ships to North Sea box 4.
Italy takes ARM HQ to Libya.
Only North Sea is available for naval combat and Germany goes in bad weather after those Carriers.

RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:05 pm
by Mayhemizer_slith
Search rolls: Axis 6, Allies 9.
Both are willing to sink each others ships, but they are not able to find anything...
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:24 pm
by Mayhemizer_slith
Berlin MIL railed to Saarbrucken.
Japan occupies Tungkwan again (USE roll 5, no reaction). Japanese units enter to China from Hainan.
Germany reforms line on Belgium front and moves some troops in Poland.
No land combat.
Italy reorganizes transporter in Libya.
Turn continues on roll 8.
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:00 pm
by AllenK
S/O 39 Allies 9
No DoW
All pass for a 50% chance of ending the turn.
It does on a 3.
A partisan appears in Tsingtao.
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:39 pm
by AllenK
The Chinese start building aircraft. A 9 means no effect on US Entry Pools
USE Pools are now 2 in the Ger/It Entry, 0 tension. Jap 2 in Entry, 0 in Tension.
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:02 am
by Mayhemizer_slith
Units destroyed during S/O 1939.

RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:12 pm
by Mayhemizer_slith
Italy breaks down 3-3 INF to 1-3 div and 1-4 Mot div in Libya.
Japan breaks down 3-4 CAV to 1-4 Cav div and 1-4 Mot div in China.
No Scrap for Axis.
Axis production:
Germany (12)
Sub (1st)
Pilot
3x MIL
INF
Italy (3)
NAV-3
Japan (10) I changed my convoy set up for this game, now one resource is not convoyed to factory...
Light Carrier (1st)
Mech div
MIL
2x TER
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:35 pm
by AllenK
CW breaks down V Inf in Malta to a 2-4 Inf and 1-5 Mot Divs. France breaks down XIII Inf in Algeria to a 2-4 Inf and 1-4 Mot Divs.
China 5
Inf
Mil
CW 13
Victorious finished
Amph
Pilot
Ftr-2
Terr x2
France 5
Mil x2
1 BP saved
US 11
Repair CV
Amph
Nav-3
Pilot
CP
USSR 8
Inf x2
Pilot
Denmark is conquered by Germany.
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:21 pm
by Mayhemizer_slith
N/D 1939 reinforcements (+ some planes from reserves)

RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:28 pm
by Mayhemizer_slith
Germany takes Bf109 from reserve to action.
Italy takes CR.42 from reserve to action.
RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:23 pm
by AllenK
CW brings a Hampden, Defiant and a Wildebeest from reserves. They lend France 2 resources.
Initiative Axis 1, Allies 9. The Axis re-roll.
Second go. Axis 4, Allied 6. Allies move first.
The Allies are Singing in the Rain.

RE: Mayhemizer vs Allen K: The rematch
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:58 am
by AllenK
N/D 39 Allies 1
No DoW
US & USSR Combined, China Land, France & CW Naval.
French sub sails to West Med 2-box, 2xCL go to 0 and 4-boxes. 2 x CL's sail to East Med 0 and 4 boxes. CV Bearn to Biscay 1-box. A CL takes 2-3 Inf Div to Marseille. A Trans picks up Senegal Mil. 2 BB, 4 CA to Italian Coast 3-box. 4 BB to West Med 3-box. CL to North Sea 4-box.
CW deploys various escorts. Force H (3CV, 2BB, 2CA) returns to Gib from Plymouth. 4 BB, 1CL to North Sea 2-box. A further CL to 4-box. The Germans decline to intercept at the moment. In the Med, 2 CA to West Med 4-box. To Italian Coast, 5 CA to 4-box, BB, 4CL & 2 Subs to 3-box. Trans takes Mot from Gib to Red Sea.
The Queens load Gort and head into the Channel. CL Emden tries to intercept but fails on a 7. The liners put into Brest.
The two Trans in Amsterdam slip quietly out of port un-noticed by the Germans (9 rolled) and put into London.
A US Trans picks up MacArthur into China Sea 1-box. A Trans from Pearl picks up a Hudson from the West Coast while another takes the 40mm AA to Pearl.
Two areas available for combat and CW will try both.
