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ORIGINAL: Pelton

I am talking basic combat after landings.

Basic Normandy loses or for that matter basic combat loses from June 44 to May 45 - surrenders in current game. Most of German loses historically were from POWs at the very end of Normandy during breakout.

We know what the loses were historically, if the ratio is 1 to 3 we know its simply way off nothing close to 1 to 1.

Sure there are factors, but I play all games the same way.

I have 2 games on going and have many from the past.

Combat ratios are a center issue to any game.

As we all know most loses historically were caused by artillery fire, not small arms (WitE) or interdiction from the air (WitW).

Lets keep trending the data.

Pelton

I clearly am really stupid [;)]

I can't see in the 'evidence' you've presented your losses since the allies invaded France and I can't see this 1-3 ratio you keep on claiming.

Your playstyle appears to create an outlier in terms of losses, everyone else seems to be around .75:1, your 'evidence' (and I'm not sure what you are evidencing) shows .9:1. Nowhere can I see this 3-1 you talk about

First I would like to say Iam neutral on whether the ratio indicates something wrong with the combat engine. I changed my avatar not because of this question but to reflect the quest of a Fellowship of Allies against a enemy. And to keep in motif with Pelton's excellent avatar.

And I have not started this turn yet.

Having stated my neutrality, I would like to think that the reason is me and will take full blame for the ratio being higher than historically.


The things Iam aware of that differ from historical:

--I jumped 3 Airborne divisions into uncontested areas as the German occupied areas looked to be too strong.

--There was no opposition to the beach landings. No small attacks, moving forward, probing by either side, other than the combat attrition taken into account by the combat engine.

I've hinted at the next one in other posts.
--Operation Zeus, equivalent to Operation Cobra, is the assignment of EVERY aircraft in England to the destruction of German forces at the front and Zeus has been in operation from the beginning of the invasion. So Zeus is a MUCH larger version of Cobra. Those aircraft best suited for interdiction are assigned such and the others do unit bombing, ground support. This is what broke the back of German forces at Normandy and why it was not done the entire war I have opinions on, but best suited for another topic.

Iam losing VPs short term by not strategically bombing, but the aim is to created a "grinder" for anything that makes it to the front resulting in the the total annihilation of German forces. Historically did German production as a whole increase as the war progressed?

Pelton holds on to ground like a homebody badger.
So a careful study of Normandy Breakout vids revealed what it took to break the stalemate - AIR ARTILLERY.

Pelton
"I have 2 games on going and have many from the past. "

The ratios from the current and other games are the same?

French childern find a stray kitten.

Operation Zeus

More results of Operation Zeus.

Prey of Birds.

Production gets consumed.

Both pics claim to be of German losses at Normandy, yet notice the star on the back of the truck. Captured equipment?

WA operation.

Report the data not your chicken little operation.

Week 51

German aircraft try to bomb my "cities" in the daylight. Some damage.
Empty seats in Luftwaffe messhalls.

Allied planes once again take to the skys of Normandy.

Allied ground troops report seeing a large bird roaming the hedgerows.

ORIGINAL: loki100

ORIGINAL: Pelton

I am talking basic combat after landings.

Basic Normandy loses or for that matter basic combat loses from June 44 to May 45 - surrenders in current game. Most of German loses historically were from POWs at the very end of Normandy during breakout.

We know what the loses were historically, if the ratio is 1 to 3 we know its simply way off nothing close to 1 to 1.

Sure there are factors, but I play all games the same way.

I have 2 games on going and have many from the past.

Combat ratios are a center issue to any game.

As we all know most loses historically were caused by artillery fire, not small arms (WitE) or interdiction from the air (WitW).

Lets keep trending the data.

Pelton

I clearly am really stupid [;)]

I can't see in the 'evidence' you've presented your losses since the allies invaded France and I can't see this 1-3 ratio you keep on claiming.

Your playstyle appears to create an outlier in terms of losses, everyone else seems to be around .75:1, your 'evidence' (and I'm not sure what you are evidencing) shows .9:1. Nowhere can I see this 3-1 you talk about

Turn 49

WA Loses: 256,000
GHC Loses: 268,000

Turn 51

WA Loses 273,350
GHC Loses 326,564

WA loses over 3 turns; 17,000
GHC loses over 3 turns: 58,000

DoH

ratio: 1 to 3.4

I mean really how hard is that to figure out my 5 yr old can do that math.

I am looking at data not sure what fairytale your looking at, but my 5 yr old would really like to
know what story that is cause he like to read it.



He picked the smiley because hes not sure why you cant do the math being at least 30+ yrs older them him

ORIGINAL: KWG

Week 51

German aircraft bomb my ports in the daylight. Some damage.
Empty seats in Luftwaffe messhalls.

Allied planes once again take to the skys of Normandy.

Allied ground troops report seeing a large bird roaming the hedgerows.

I am hoping people can do simple math, but all hope seems to be lost when a 5 yr old can do it and others can't

We can see why The Islamic State is winning, kinda like Rome as the barbarians stormed Italy - at least Putin can add and subtract.

ORIGINAL: KWG

Week 51

German aircraft bomb my ports in the daylight. Some damage.
Empty seats in Luftwaffe messhalls.

Allied planes once again take to the skys of Normandy.

Allied ground troops report seeing a large bird roaming the hedgerows.

I am not bombing ports silly pants-that's been nerfed with last patch.

come on report what I am doing or at least report u have no idea what I am doing.

Don't forget the VP count is 21 - 32 because 2by3 has not been able to fix a basic bug for over a yr.

VP count is - 12.

I guess they are waiting for morveal or D-man to fix that also?

really?

Just give morveal and d-man the code so simple stuff like that can be fixed before 2.0 release.

Clear skys over Normandy. Some rain over Italy.

Its going to be 2027 before we finish this game.

1 turn in a week really?

So what other games or beta testing are you doing?

I will not be playing WitE vs you as you take a week to move 2 units [>:]

"I am not bombing ports silly pants-that's been nerfed with last patch.

come on report what I am doing or at least report u have no idea what I am doing."


What you leave the airfield to bomb and what you hit when you get to the target is not always the same.

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Its going to be 2027 before we finish this game.

1 turn in a week really?

So what other games or beta testing are you doing?

I will not be playing WitE vs you as you take a week to move 2 units [>:]

Holidays last week.
This week was busy and no unrushed time on the computer.
Spent the week making fields of battle out of cherry and maple. Plus some moulding, by hand tools.
Busy time for toy makers.

Plus a little deer hunting/ Bald Eagle spotting.

Then there is the coyote thats almost as big as my hound.

It was more than 2, as my post stated I had behind the scenes movement.
One miscalculation of movement points in my advance that leaves me weaken while semi surrounded by German forces and it's "Farewell And Adieu You Fair Spanish Ladies..."

Intel showing Germans to be low on ammo.

German Supply depots only open "After Dark".

Life for Germans in Normandy has become Nosferatu.

Week 51

Allied interdiction and unit bombing look good for the ground phase.

German tank shot up by Allied planes.
Crew surrendering to Allied photographer.

I am looking at data not sure what fairytale your looking at

What's your opinion on this data?

ORIGINAL: Pelton

ORIGINAL: loki100

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Pelton

I clearly am really stupid [;)]

I can't see in the 'evidence' you've presented your losses since the allies invaded France and I can't see this 1-3 ratio you keep on claiming.

Your playstyle appears to create an outlier in terms of losses, everyone else seems to be around .75:1, your 'evidence' (and I'm not sure what you are evidencing) shows .9:1. Nowhere can I see this 3-1 you talk about

Turn 49

WA Loses: 256,000
GHC Loses: 268,000

Turn 51

WA Loses 273,350
GHC Loses 326,564

WA loses over 3 turns; 17,000
GHC loses over 3 turns: 58,000

DoH

ratio: 1 to 3.4

I mean really how hard is that to figure out my 5 yr old can do that math.

I am looking at data not sure what fairytale your looking at, but my 5 yr old would really like to
know what story that is cause he like to read it.



He picked the smiley because hes not sure why you cant do the math being at least 30+ yrs older them him

Pelton, just why do you have to be so damn rude? Where in the 'evidence' you've presented can I find the information you are now claiming applies?

In this thread, you've deliberately insulted 3 people who dare to ask you to justify your argument. Don't forget I've seen your approach in WiTE, your posts sometimes lack for accuracy and you do rather overclaim. On the other hand I admire your knowledge of the underlying game system so am still (just about) prepared to accept that you may be seeing something important that others have missed.

and as for this:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

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I am hoping people can do simple math, but all hope seems to be lost when a 5 yr old can do it and others can't

We can see why The Islamic State is winning, kinda like Rome as the barbarians stormed Italy - at least Putin can add and subtract.

... why do you do think writing something like this will encourage people to take your argument more seriously?

Pelton

You are crossing the line. No politics, rude behaviour or trolling the Devs.

You know my opinion of your approach. Unlike the WitE & WitE Dev forums, here I have Moderator status and I will use it - so behave.