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RE: 18 - October 16, 1941 - The MUD Arrives
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:20 pm
by topeverest
The initial German campaign season has ended!
All things considered, I can't give myself a grade higher than C. I kept too many troops in the south, which saved Stalino area, Sevestopol, Rostov and the like, but I gave up Moscow. I saved the following
85% of vehicle production
94% of heavy industry
100% of AFV
100% of air
95% of armaments
It is what it is. All eyes are now focused on the upcoming Moscow fight. The enemy is beginning to fortify the Moscow area.
RE: 18 - October 16, 1941 - The south
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:21 pm
by topeverest
First the good news.

RE: 18 - October 16, 1941 - Moscow
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:23 pm
by topeverest
And here is Moscow. It will be 'the mother of all battles!'
NOTE - the w binded pics are off by 3 hexes horizontally...

RE: 18 - October 16, 1941 - Moscow
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:35 pm
by topeverest
next priority - move up 150+ units to the mlr and organize armies for counteroffensive
The enemy has stated their intention to renew the offensive in the window between mud and blizzard.
RE: 18 - October 16, 1941 - The south
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:18 am
by GabrielBora
ORIGINAL: topeverest
First the good news.
The general direction in which your fronts retreat after Kiev battle is a bit strange . The Southern front is in a much beter position to defend HARKOV.
It does not start overloaded, it is not realy under any real presure until august 1941, so you can bring him up to strenght for the batle, using newly raised divisions . The terain south of DNEPROPETROVSK can be defended by KONEV north military district forces , as it upgrades to front TOE and his aircomand is unfrozen.
I see that you are trying to keep the historical front areas, but your SOUTHWESTERN front ends up overstreched and overloaded as result.
RE: Current Front COmmanders
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:46 am
by GabrielBora
ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
It's wasteful in APs to be promoting GL's to Front commands. Leave the good ones in your better and important armies until they at least make GP. With those extra APs you could have a lot more sapper regiments or more/upgraded air regiments.
My take as well, in my curent game I was fortunate enough to have VATUTIN replacing KUZNETOV automaticly, but until AP start to overflow, the front comanders are going to take the blame for the soviet early defeats .
RE: Current Front COmmanders
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:24 am
by Stelteck
The more important leader is the army one.
I think based on some previous thread i read that for example a INIT 5 leader have 50% of success at army level (no taken into account various bonus/malus such as distance, HQ moved or not, etc...), 25% at front level and 12.5% at stavka level.
So putting the best at high level could be not very efficient. Zuikov at stavka (for init)provide only a 12.5% => 18% increase of success, while at front level he have nearly 50% of success.
RE: Current Front COmmanders
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:44 am
by GabrielBora
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
The more important leader is the army one.
I think based on some previous thread i read that for example a INIT 5 leader have 50% of success at army level (no taken into account various bonus/malus such as distance, HQ moved or not, etc...), 25% at front level and 12.5% at stavka level.
So putting the best at high level could be not very efficient. Zuikov at stavka (for init)provide only a 12.5% => 18% increase of success, while at front level he have nearly 50% of success.
That is the optimist view on things.[:D]
it also true that a INIT 5 leader have 50% of
failure at army level. (and you can barely find enough of them )
front fails 75% , STAVKA FAILS 87,5 % to reedem them .
You might find some good leaders that only fail 30% of the time at army level (and we need them in 1941) but for the army and the war as a whole,
initiative needs to go up each level of command .
RE: Current Front COmmanders
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:00 am
by topeverest
Just sent 11-7-1941
no material movement in the MLR - next turn snow comes so there will be some Germans attacks.
Regarding SW front yes I have struggled to maintain the integrity and size of fronts. I find one of the most frustrating parts of the game
is units retreating in any and all directions making organization a pain.
Also there aren't enough released fronts given the large number of units.
Below is my current front loads. Suggestions
The more I learn - the more there is to learn...
ORIGINAL: GabrielBora
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
The more important leader is the army one.
I think based on some previous thread i read that for example a INIT 5 leader have 50% of success at army level (no taken into account various bonus/malus such as distance, HQ moved or not, etc...), 25% at front level and 12.5% at stavka level.
So putting the best at high level could be not very efficient. Zuikov at stavka (for init)provide only a 12.5% => 18% increase of success, while at front level he have nearly 50% of success.
That is the optimist view on things.[:D]
it also true that a INIT 5 leader have 50% of
failure at army level. (and you can barely find enough of them )
front fails 75% , STAVKA FAILS 87,5 % to reedem them .
You might find some good leaders that only fail 30% of the time at army level (and we need them in 1941) but for the army and the war as a whole,
initiative needs to go up each level of command .

Army Commanders
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:09 am
by topeverest
And here are the army commanders

RE: Army Commanders - not assigned
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:20 am
by topeverest
And here are my best unassigned army commanders - clearly some work to do.

Air commanders
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:25 am
by topeverest
I haven't done anything here but the situation isn't as bad as army commanders.

RE: Air commanders
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:27 am
by topeverest
Will get 11-13-1941 Turn 22 overnight so I will be publishing that turns results with the expectation that the enemy will renew his attacks.
RE: Army Commanders
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:55 am
by GabrielBora
ORIGINAL: topeverest
And here are the army commanders
The soviet side needs to make best use ,even from the worse comanders and low morale divisions .
You put one army Hq asigned to stavka behind each front.
18th army backs up Southern front ,16th army backs North caucasus front, 19th army backs up Southwestern front , 21th the Bryansk front, 20th the Western front, 24th army the Kalinin front (upon arival),22nd army the Northwest front and so on .
These hqțs are are striped of whatever good divisions they have, to replace the front losses and only given construction units in support.
Than whenever a fighting front division gets to demoralised(35 morale for me ) you transfer it, to these sapper armies and repace it with a high morale but yet inexperienced division.
Since in 1941 you receive only 10 fronts but 52 armies , you only need 42 good army leaders ( 4 per front + 2 to defend karelia and krimea ) .
RE: Fortified Zones and defending
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:44 pm
by Maximillian999
Top, I saw you mentioned how disappointing the FZs were when defending Leningrad and Moscow. Most players recommend using those only for building/maintaining hex fort levels and disbanding them once the enemy gets near. It's not just you, they are always brittle and not very effective in combat.
RE: Fortified Zones and defending
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:08 pm
by topeverest
Thanks - unfortunately, I figured that out the hard way.
What is it that is said, "IF ITS NOT PAINFL - ITS NOT A LESSON
ORIGINAL: Maximillian999
Top, I saw you mentioned how disappointing the FZs were when defending Leningrad and Moscow. Most players recommend using those only for building/maintaining hex fort levels and disbanding them once the enemy gets near. It's not just you, they are always brittle and not very effective in combat.
RE: Army Commanders
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:10 pm
by topeverest
GabrielBora
I like the idea. Will try to set such things up over time.
Right now doing final planning for the winter counteroffensive.
11-20-1941 - one more turn of snow
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:11 pm
by topeverest
MLR has been pretty static.
Enemy has continued a slow push to Stalino and a pincer move on kalinin.
About 60% of the winter forces are now in place near Moscow.
Moscow area
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:17 pm
by topeverest
Kalinin likely to be last casualty of war of the summer - will move up troops next turn to start the attack on first blizzard turn

Stalino area
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:18 pm
by topeverest
Linear German tactics here
