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RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:15 pm
by IdahoNYer
Also saw it this afternoon!
I'd give it a B+ mainly due to the CGI ships in the movie, and the story being told from the Enterprise PoV, centering on Dick Best. As has been said, the CGI battle scenes were way over the top, but I expected that going in.
I didn't expect the detail in the ships - different classes could be identified from both sides. That was nice. OK, they were steaming all too close together and I did glimpse both Yamatos when the SBDs were attacking the Kido Butai.
The movie covered a lot of ground which kinda watered down the characters and the story - Coral Sea and Yorktown was glossed over and of course, where were the US fighters??
Still, for me, better than the original Midway by far. I'd rate it higher than Fury and Dunkirk and about the same as the recent Okinawa movie who's title escapes me.
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:10 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: IdahoNYer
and about the same as the recent Okinawa movie who's title escapes me.
Man, I sure hope you're not talking about
Windtalkers, dude. [;)]
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:23 am
by IdahoNYer
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
Man, I sure hope you're not talking about Windtalkers, dude. [;)]
God no....it was Hacksaw Ridge!
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:23 pm
by jagsdomain
ORIGINAL: IdahoNYer
Also saw it this afternoon!
I'd give it a B+ mainly due to the CGI ships in the movie, and the story being told from the Enterprise PoV, centering on Dick Best. As has been said, the CGI battle scenes were way over the top, but I expected that going in.
I didn't expect the detail in the ships - different classes could be identified from both sides. That was nice. OK, they were steaming all too close together and I did glimpse both Yamatos when the SBDs were attacking the Kido Butai.
The movie covered a lot of ground which kinda watered down the characters and the story - Coral Sea and Yorktown was glossed over and of course, where were the US fighters??
Still, for me, better than the original Midway by far. I'd rate it higher than Fury and Dunkirk and about the same as the recent Okinawa movie who's title escapes me.
I really liked Fury till the last seen.
I was also wondering about the fighters. I am guessing. It was story and cost. After all the movie was more A movie about Sick Best.
The movie covered the IJN war gaming seen.
I would agree with the B+
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:26 pm
by jagsdomain
I was on Windtalkers when they started filming in LA.
Best set I was ever on! Got to have a real M1, rode on a Sherman and had some P-51 fly overs.
The food was amazing, Christian Slater amazing but the other guy not so much.
Got to talk with the actual windtalker on set he was great.
The movie might have been the worst war movie. No never mind PH was the worst movie ever made!
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: IdahoNYer
and about the same as the recent Okinawa movie who's title escapes me.
Man, I sure hope you're not talking about
Windtalkers, dude. [;)]
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:05 am
by AcePylut
Just got back from seeing the movie a second time, this one with my 14 year old stepdaughter.
On second viewing, I will bump up my score to a solid B. The reason is, I realize that, as a WW2 grog, I will discount a war movie for the dumbest of things. "Omg, did you see that bow mounted machine gun on the Tiger tank? They CLEARLY used the Mg42/B/A/C Variant 5 B Alpha, when that wasn't used until September 4th 1944, and not August 3rd, 1944. OMG. What terrible, lazy, filmmaking. Movie gets an F- for such a bastardization of history."
The combat scenes remain a little fanciful, but they got the job done. The movie got the job done. I can handle a little bit of silly CGI and silly "unrealistic AA" and the Yamato being between the carriers, because they got so much right.
So here's my 14 year old's review on the movie... any parent of a teenage girl (or boy) can relate:
She got a text from a friend asking if she wanted a sleep over, but her phone was off. When the movie was done (9:30 PM) she saw the text and asked if she could spend the night at her friends house. I said, "no sweetie, 9:30 is too late to start a sleepover". She got mad at me and barely talked to me on the way home. Also, it's "that time of the month". Can't effing win sometimes.
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:54 am
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: AcePylut
Just got back from seeing the movie a second time, this one with my 14 year old stepdaughter.
On second viewing, I will bump up my score to a solid B. The reason is, I realize that, as a WW2 grog, I will discount a war movie for the dumbest of things. "Omg, did you see that bow mounted machine gun on the Tiger tank? They CLEARLY used the Mg42/B/A/C Variant 5 B Alpha, when that wasn't used until September 4th 1944, and not August 3rd, 1944. OMG. What terrible, lazy, filmmaking. Movie gets an F- for such a bastardization of history."
The combat scenes remain a little fanciful, but they got the job done. The movie got the job done. I can handle a little bit of silly CGI and silly "unrealistic AA" and the Yamato being between the carriers, because they got so much right.
So here's my 14 year old's review on the movie... any parent of a teenage girl (or boy) can relate:
She got a text from a friend asking if she wanted a sleep over, but her phone was off. When the movie was done (9:30 PM) she saw the text and asked if she could spend the night at her friends house. I said, "no sweetie, 9:30 is too late to start a sleepover". She got mad at me and barely talked to me on the way home. Also, it's "that time of the month". Can't effing win sometimes.
warspite1
May be a little TMI there Acepylut? [;)]
But as a father, I feel your pain...[:D]
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:06 am
by fcooke
Fury - lets charge a Tiger in the open with a few Shermans.....[:-] Let Tiger come to you in the treeline.
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:57 pm
by jagsdomain
I have to see it again but I feel that pain. I ask my 5 year old about school and its Hummm. She will tell me about story that she is making up in her head that's crazy but still better than TLJ or PH!
Glad you liked it better the second time.
My favorit parts of the movie was the war gaming sceen, when the IJN navy and army were "talking" and when Lawton was talking with his wife and she gets him a sandwich.
That scene really brings home how many people state side gave all for victory.
Have to add one more. When the SBD goes off the end of the E and gets destroyed under the ship. Its amazing hiw many people, mostly aircrew got killed statside or in traning accident.
ORIGINAL: AcePylut
Just got back from seeing the movie a second time, this one with my 14 year old stepdaughter.
On second viewing, I will bump up my score to a solid B. The reason is, I realize that, as a WW2 grog, I will discount a war movie for the dumbest of things. "Omg, did you see that bow mounted machine gun on the Tiger tank? They CLEARLY used the Mg42/B/A/C Variant 5 B Alpha, when that wasn't used until September 4th 1944, and not August 3rd, 1944. OMG. What terrible, lazy, filmmaking. Movie gets an F- for such a bastardization of history."
The combat scenes remain a little fanciful, but they got the job done. The movie got the job done. I can handle a little bit of silly CGI and silly "unrealistic AA" and the Yamato being between the carriers, because they got so much right.
So here's my 14 year old's review on the movie... any parent of a teenage girl (or boy) can relate:
She got a text from a friend asking if she wanted a sleep over, but her phone was off. When the movie was done (9:30 PM) she saw the text and asked if she could spend the night at her friends house. I said, "no sweetie, 9:30 is too late to start a sleepover". She got mad at me and barely talked to me on the way home. Also, it's "that time of the month". Can't effing win sometimes.
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:57 pm
by jagsdomain
LOLOLOL.... I bet he has a ticket in there for Battleship to!
ORIGINAL: Zorch
ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
I have seen some trailers and groaned about the Hollywood-typical exaggerated CGI combat scenes, like Zeros strafing at lower-than-treetops-level three feet above the ground or dive-bombers pulling out of their dives so low the wingtips dip into the ocean.
Ok, thanks to CGI at least no angled-deck carriers standing-in for historic ships.
Seems to have a love story or at least family story as well. In short, looks like TMTSNBN Part II.
I'll watch it anyway of course, but with much lower expectations than I had for the original TMTSNBN.
Btw, last week I did some triage of the stuff accumulated in the attic and went through my assorted souvenirs and memorabilia, including those of my "study abroad experience" at SUNY Buffalo - and look what I found:
On the release day [:)]
No!!!! That ticket stub from TMTSNBN has cursed the entire Forum. We're doomed...
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:07 pm
by fcooke
Did an SBD get run over by its CV in real life? at Midway? I now have to fetch Shattered Sword and see if that is in there.....
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:54 pm
by AcePylut
Yeah, lol, nice to see Ops Losses represented in the movie
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:06 pm
by spence
now have to fetch Shattered Sword and see if that is in there.....
Might be a problem since Shattered Sword is mostly drawn from Japanese records. Don't remember it being in any of the US sources but Lord or Prange or Simonds might have mentioned it.
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:12 pm
by jagsdomain
The jousting Tiger scene. I understand why they did from a movie perspective. They had 3 working Shermans and a working Tiger. They wanted to show them off.
Just wished they did not go the lazy way and do a different type of scene. Maybe someone can make a fan edit with the Sherman's staking the Tiger?
ORIGINAL: fcooke
Fury - lets charge a Tiger in the open with a few Shermans.....[:-] Let Tiger come to you in the treeline.
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:43 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: fcooke
Did an SBD get run over by its CV in real life? at Midway? I now have to fetch Shattered Sword and see if that is in there.....
In the movie that episode happened before the Midway battle - during the attack on "the Marshalls" or at the Coral Sea. That led to the protagonist talking to his wife about how he failed the pilot by persuading him to fly when he wanted to quit.
The stuff about a carrier "not moving fast enough" to launch aircraft was just stupid - no skipper would allow launch without going to full speed and getting good anemometer readings on windspeed over the bow. And no pilot would radio the bridge of the carrier and order it to make a turn. The best he could do is report the position of the downed plane relative to the ship and the CV captain would order the turn . And then there is the big chunk of unused deck space
behind the SBDs when they started their takeoff rolls... All the director had to do was show the deck packed to the start of a very short takeoff roll and make a reference to the heavy load the SBDs were carrying to show that the takeoff was "iffy".
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:47 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: jagsdomain
The jousting Tiger scene. I understand why they did from a movie perspective. They had 3 working Shermans and a working Tiger. They wanted to show them off.
Just wished they did not go the lazy way and do a different type of scene. Maybe someone can make a fan edit with the Sherman's staking the Tiger?
ORIGINAL: fcooke
Fury - lets charge a Tiger in the open with a few Shermans.....[:-] Let Tiger come to you in the treeline.
+1 At very least, the attacking Shermans would have been spread out widely before starting the attack so the Tiger could not target one of them without exposing the turret side or rear to attack from the other Shermans. And once the first shot from the Tiger missed, it is suicide to continue driving directly at it - the targeted Sherman should be maneuvering radically to make the Tiger try a deflection shot (target moving from side to side).
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:31 am
by fcooke
I really need to get Steel Panthers or Close Combat working again.....
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:08 am
by AcePylut
This is the best, most accurate review, of the movie I've seen...
https://youtu.be/IM7C3_UVdBA
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:37 am
by rkr1958
For me the most "accurate" review is by the folks that were there, or the folks who knew well the folks that were there.
http://www.midway42.org/Backissues/2019/20191001.aspx
RE: Going to see Midway opening night ?
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:45 am
by spence
For me the most "accurate" review is by the folks that were there, or the folks who knew well the folks that were there.
Norman "Dusty" Kleiss was the last of the dive bomber pilots alive. IIRC he died in 2016 at age 100. He got the name "Dusty" cause he landed and pulled off the runway at Ewa while training and his propellor stirred up such a gigantic dust cloud that some Marine planes that wanted to land couldn't see the runway. The tower at the field was not happy and "spoke" to him on the radio so that his squadron mates heard it. He also scored two bomb hits on 4 Jun 42: HIJMS Kaga in the morning and HIJMS Hiryu in the afternoon. And he apparently also hit the HIJMS MIkuma on 6 June. He was thus the only pilot who scored 3 bomb hits during the Battle of Midway (along with everybody else he missed the HIJMS Tanikaze on June 5th).