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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:47 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
Here is a new page suggested by a forum member. Clearly it was a great idea.

I have placed it just before showing Great Britain and India, in detail, on separate pages (yet to be written).

Someone commented on the Italian green background & the Italian flag. I have each tutorial using a different major power theme. The 1st tutorial is German, the 3rd is Japanese (I think). It is purely glitz though it might help people notice if they press a wrong button and end up in a different tutorial by accident.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:51 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
Here are the last 7 pages of the 2nd tutorial. Please critique. It will only get better with the help of forum members.

For instance, there is room for another short paragraph here.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:53 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
Room for more text here too. It is not essential to fill every page, but if there is some worthwhile to add, there's room.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:55 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
I had a lot to say here and had to do a couple of passes to edit it down so it fit.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:58 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
Once I got to the differences between minor countries and territories the ground became very mushy. I have all these weird definitions memorized as to what the differences are in terms of MWIF coding structures. I sometimes get them confused when writing about them in terms of RAW. That's one reason the text is short here.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:01 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
I was at a loss for words here. I am sure you are stunned by this revelation. Typing in text is usually effortless for me, but for this page I could really use some advice. My mind is as blank as the right hand column.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:02 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
Back in form and closing in on the last page.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:05 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
Last in the series. The top two images are from the game using the finished map. The 3rd is from the program but without finished coastal bitmaps. The bottom two are from Patrice's draft coast lines.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:07 am
by Neilster
Are you looking to pick up typos etc? If so...

At a glance, Rumania is incorrectly spelled in the first sentence. Lithuanian should be Lithuania and there shouldn't be a comma after it.

Cheers, Neilster

RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:40 am
by christo

The global map is great but it is somewhat difficult to pick out the Commonwealth controlled areas as they are the same colour as the surrounding sea areas.

Christo

RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:49 am
by Neilster
ORIGINAL: christo


The global map is great but it is somewhat difficult to pick out the Commonwealth controlled areas as they are the same colour as the surrounding sea areas.

Christo

The British Empire was often denoted on maps by a pinkish red, if that helps.

Cheers, Neilster


RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:13 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: christo
The global map is great but it is somewhat difficult to pick out the Commonwealth controlled areas as they are the same colour as the surrounding sea areas.

Christo

How's this? I have to keep the sea color away from both the CW and USA colors.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:15 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
This shows how the new sea color looks against the other terrain colors. I am only using this sea color for the global maps.

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RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:17 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: Neilster
Are you looking to pick up typos etc? If so...

At a glance, Rumania is incorrectly spelled in the first sentence. Lithuanian should be Lithuania and there shouldn't be a comma after it.

Cheers, Neilster

Corrections made. But, ...

I was taught that both "A, B, and C" or "A, B and C" are acceptable. I prefer the former and have used it my entire life.

RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:21 am
by wosung
"Germany stamped ok on each demand"

The downzizing of Romania for the benefit of Hungary was decided by Germany and Italy on August 30.1940, in what is known as the "Second Vienna Award" ("Zweiter Wiener Schiedsspruch").
This loss of Transsylvania (with over 2 Mio. people) together with the loss of Transnistria (which means "on the far side of river Dnjestr") territorry it led to the abdiction of Romania's King Carol. On September,2.1940. Hitler decided to send a German military and economical mission to Rumenia.

RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:31 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: wosung

"Germany stamped ok on each demand"

The downzizing of Romania for the benefit of Hungary was decided by Germany and Italy on August 30.1940, in what is known as the "Second Vienna Award" ("Zweiter Wiener Schiedsspruch").
This loss of Transsylvania (with over 2 Mio. people) together with the loss of Transnistria (which means "on the far side of river Dnjestr") territorry it led to the abdiction of Romania's King Carol. On September,2.1940. Hitler decided to send a German military and economical mission to Rumenia.
It seems as if you are agreeing with what I wrote. Or is there something incorrect about my sentence?

RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:18 am
by wosung
No no, no problem.

Just some additional information.

RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:38 pm
by Froonp
About UK (Post #122) :
You talk about Liverpool & Scapa Flow, you should also mention Plymouth which is not the least important of the 3.
Scapa Flow is crap for instance. No supply.

About India (Post #123) :
It seems you have taken the screenshot of India before modifications were made to it. Bombay changed.

About Minor Countries (post #124) :
You should point out in the 1st para that (2) and (3) have the same effect : having the minor country aligned to a major power.
Also, you talk about the armies of the minor countries, and specificaly about "Reserve units". Reserve units, I mean the real reserve from MWiF, DO NOT enter the map at the declaration of war. They are put in the reinforcement spiral and arrive at the beginning of the next turn. ONLY Major Powers reserve units are set up on the map (face-down). Some units are set up on the map when a Minor Country gets aligned, but not the reserve.

About Mid East (Post #125) :
You write "Jordon", instead of "Jordan".
About units of Minor Countries leaving their country, the rule rule is not as you describe. It is more subtle. The rule is :

Quote of RAW :
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19.4 Minor country units
(...)
Minor country units can move and fight outside their home country. However, you can only move a minor country land or aircraft unit outside the home country controlled by the minor, if half or more of its on map land and aircraft units are currently inside its home country (exception: Rumania becomes a full Axis ally ~ see 19.6.2).
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So, at the moment of the unit exiting the country, you check. The end result may be that there are more than half the Minor Country unit outside its country.

In the same post, you write "This is especially true with Territorial Units. Territories are described next". Reading this, one could believe that Territorials and Territories are related one to the other, which is wrong. There can be Territorials of Major Powers (India, South Africa, Australian, Canada), Minor countries (Palestine, Egypt, Burma....), and Territories (New Caledonia for example.)

About Post #126 :
You write that the Philippines are a Territory, which is wrong.
A Territory is as a Minor Country, except that it has no Capital City. Sardinia is one example, Gibraltar is another, Bahrain a third, and generaly all Archipelago are territories, the Solomon, the Gilbert, the Carolines, there are about 80-90 Territories in MWiF. There was an argument in this regard on the WiF Discussion List, and I asked Harry who arbitrated in this way (because RAW contradict itself about this).
There are also 110-120 Minor Countries.

I love the Page 14 of 14. In the final version, you will only pt pictures from ingame, will you ?

RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:19 pm
by terje439
another typo - JordAn not JordOn [:D] (page 11 of the tutorial).

One more thing that actually has to do more with the map than the tutorial, but did not notice it untill I saw the post here. About Britain, it is stated that Liverpool and Scapa both are adjacant to two sea areas. Plymouth and Scapa both picture this nicely as the harbor sign is located on the line between the sea areas, not so with Liverpool. As the sea areas are marked here, my initial thought would have been that Liverpool is located firmly outside the Faeroes Gap. Not sure if you get my idea, but put simply, the line picturing the boarder between those two sea areas run north of Liverpool, not through Liverpool as is done with Scapa and Plymouth.


RE: MWiF Tutorial

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:05 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: terje439
another typo - JordAn not JordOn [:D] (page 11 of the tutorial).

One more thing that actually has to do more with the map than the tutorial, but did not notice it untill I saw the post here. About Britain, it is stated that Liverpool and Scapa both are adjacant to two sea areas. Plymouth and Scapa both picture this nicely as the harbor sign is located on the line between the sea areas, not so with Liverpool. As the sea areas are marked here, my initial thought would have been that Liverpool is located firmly outside the Faeroes Gap. Not sure if you get my idea, but put simply, the line picturing the boarder between those two sea areas run north of Liverpool, not through Liverpool as is done with Scapa and Plymouth.

Patrice, how about moving the major port symbol for Liverpool to position 12 (12 o'clock)?

That should help clarify this somewhat. I also want to do something about the sea area boundaries as they enter coastal hexes - make them a little longer if nothing else. Another glitch is that they seem to be offset right when entering a hex from the north or south. I haven't looked at that code for over a year.