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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:44 pm
by von Shagmeister
Not sure if Van or van is correct, both are in common use in documents/books. I don't know if the Dutch have a convention for it.
For German names von is correct but you can still find Von in common use amongst non German speakers.
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:55 pm
by Hard Sarge
roger, but it is odd seeing the same writer using it both ways ?
by the by, did you see the Vol 9 by Chorley ?
just showed up on my doorstep
outstanding, but going to be HARD to work with
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:35 pm
by von Shagmeister
ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
by the by, did you see the Vol 9 by Chorley ?
just showed up on my doorstep
outstanding, but going to be HARD to work with
Yes but I'm going to give it a miss as I have Vols 1-8 and correct me if I'm wrong but Vol 9 is a roll of honour so all info will be contained in the earlier volumes.
Will try and post some of 6 Group tonight.
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:40 pm
by Hard Sarge
yea, it is the rolls of honor, 57000 some names, but they are full names, but do not have the plane type or crew postion
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:49 pm
by von Shagmeister
Full names would be useful but as you say without crew position etc will be hard to make easy use of.
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:45 pm
by Hard Sarge
got one, I think
Fo Harry John Randall 49 Squadron, KIA 8-18-43 (119813)
yeap, that is him, CCGC has him also
SL Richard Nevil Todd-White, HCU, KIA 8-18-43 (37368)
odd
I get Walter Ralph Haskell, 57 Squadron, KIA 8-17-43 (44563)
wonder if he was lost early in the raid and the others later on ? or if there was a another raid on the 18th
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:19 pm
by Hard Sarge
Okay Shaggy, got them in, plus some 50 2nd Tac guys
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:15 pm
by von Shagmeister
There was a small BC raid on Torino 16-17Aug43 but Haskell was MIA on the Peenemuende raid. T/O time for his a/c is given as 21:44 - nothing further heard.
Couple of additions/corrections for 75 Sqn
P/O Logan, C. > P/O Logan, Clifford
Sgt Joll, J. > S/L Joll, Jack; Exp ~80
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:22 pm
by Hard Sarge
roger, that is what I was thinking
Corrected, won't be in the posted OOB, but corrected in mine
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:00 pm
by von Shagmeister
6 Group
419 Sqn RCAF
Sgt Batterson, J.M. John
Sgt Cameron, W.D.L. William
F/S Cooke, D.T.
F/L Corcoarn, B.J.
Sgt Coutlee, C.M.
F/S Douhassoff, T.
F/O Heard, S.M.
F/O Hamilton, W.H. William
F/O Hewitt, H.A.
F/L Keddie, W.N.
Sgt Metherall, R.K.
Sgt McIntosh, J.
W/O Morrision, J.R.
F/S Pekin, S. Stanley
F/L Quaile, A.N.
F/S Stewart, R. Robert
F/O Westland, J.A.
426 Sqn RCAF
W/C Crooks, L. Leslie
F/L Epps, R.F.
Lt Gaunt, S.
Sgt Griffiths, C.A. Charles
F/L Shaw, W.L. Wilfred
F/L Shuttleworth, D.D. Douglas
Sgt Summers, M.B. Malcolm
S/L Swetman, W.H.
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:45 pm
by Hard Sarge
added
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:58 pm
by von Shagmeister
6 Group (cont.)
427 Sqn RCAF
F/O Arnot, B.
F/O Baum, G.R. I got a William Baum ? KIA 8-24-43 W.G.R
Sgt Brady, F.J.D. Francis
F/S Champion, W.
F/L Crew, B.G.
Sgt Fletcher, N.E. Neville
F/S Milton, J.R.G.
F/L Morton, J.A.
Sgt Olsvik, D.O. David
Sgt Schmitt, W.H.
Capt Taylor, C.A.
Sgt Wolton, G.
428 Sqn RCAF
F/S Armour, W.J. William
Sgt Blackmore, W.W. Winston
Sgt Borrowes, R.L.
F/O Drimmie, G.R.
F/L Fanson, G.W. Gordon
Sgt Fry, K.O.
P/O Hadden, W.A. William
Sgt Harkins, J.
W/O Harrison, A.
F/O Jones, K.W. Kenneth
F/S Reade, H.A.
F/L Retlander, A.V.
Sgt Sheridan, J. John
P/O Williamson, L.F.
434 Sqn RCAF
Sgt Austin, ???
Lt Clary, ???
F/O Colquhoun, ??? Ian L.
Sgt Harrison, ??? Richard S.
Sgt Johnston, ??? I have a Garth B. Johnson ???? KIA late 44
F/O Lord, ??? Frederick C.
F/S Piper, ??? Frederick J.
Sgt Snelgrove, ???
F/L Thompson, ??? William M.
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:44 pm
by von Shagmeister
8 Group
suggest exp in the range 75-85 for most pilots as in theory all should have completed one tour already (or at the very least be well through their first tour).
7 Sqn
S/L Anakstein, C.
F/L Baker, S.
F/O Campling, R.D.
F/L Foster, B.H.D.
F/L French, R.O.
F/L Harcourt, V.
P/O Harding, A.C.
S/L Lofthouse, C.J.
F/O McIntyre, K.
F/S Negus, C.A.
F/S Petrie, J.R.
F/O Philipson-Stowe
W/C Rampling, K.
F/S Sutherst, J. (Southirst?)
F/O Wells, O.J.
P/O Wilby, P.
F/L Zee, J.A.
35 Sqn
P/O Appleby, R.R.G.
S/L Cranswick, A.P.
F/L Davidson, A.J.F.
S/L Deacon, E.W.
F/S Hardy, A.V.
F/O Jagger, J.J.
P/O Lahey, L.E.N.
F/S Matiche, N.J.
F/S Raggett, P.R.
F/S Skerrett, T.R.
83 Sqn
P/O Allcroft, F.C.
F/O Chick, M.R.
W/O Finding, J.
S/L Hildyard, N.F.
P/O King, R.
S/L Manton, R.J.
F/L Mason, ???
P/O Reid, J.A.
G/C Searby, John H. (Master Bomber); Exp ~95
S/L Sell, G.D.
P/O Shipway, A.C.
F/L Slade, I.C.B.
S/L Smith, A.B.
F/O Thompson, W.R.
F/S Turp, K.C.
97 Sqn
F/O Berridge, B.H.
P/O Brown, K.
F/L Clayton, R.F.
F/L Eaton-Clarke, ???
P/O Farlie, K.
F/O Fletcher, R.A.
S/L Garlick, J.M.
P/O Montgomery, D.A.
P/O Munro, J.F.
F/S Pond, H.A.
F/O Riches, W.
F/L Robertson, C.B.
S/L Rodley, E.E.
S/L Sauvage, J.H.
Sgt Saxton, J.H.
F/S Stevenson, L.
F/O de Wesselow, G.
156 Sqn
F/L Anset, D.C.
P/O Coldham, P.A.
F/L Cook, A.S.
F/L Fawcett, R.E.
F/S Fry, F.J.
F/O Lutz, A.M.
F/L Mandeno, G.L.
S/L Manfield, N.R.
F/L McGrath, A.L.
P/O Overton, L.W.
F/O Prichard, J.E.
W/O Rose, ???
F/S Slade, H.F.
P/O Sloper, J.L.
F/S Stephens, T.G.
P/O Stewart, R.G.F.
F/S Stimpson, ???
F/L Thompson, J.F.
F/L Vincent, P.R.
W/C White, John H. (2nd Deputy Master Bomber)
F/O Wright, J.L.
S/L Young, R.E.
405 Sqn RCAF
Sgt Branton, A.C.
P/O Cowan, H,
W/C Fauquier, John E. (1st Deputy Master Bomber)
Sgt Larson, R.H.
F/O McIntyre, H.S. Harry
P/O McMenemy, G.S.
P/O McSorley, B.F.
Sgt Nielson, C.
F/O Sattler, M.
P/O Weber, J.A.
F/O Weiser, W.
P/O Wood, K.R.
139 Sqn (diversionary raid to Berlin)
F/L College, M.W.
F/O Cooke, A.S.
F/L Crampton, R.A.V.
P/O Guest, C.H.
W/O Miles, V.J.C.
Sgt Prince, H.M.
G/C Slee, L.C.
F/O Swan, H.
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:04 pm
by Hard Sarge
Shaggy
you got anything on 247 ?
I got "Chuck" Cosar
"Oscar" Cosar
but then I find a kill claim for a Fo. C.S. Cossar from 247 around the same time
these could be another brother pair (I have found more then a few of them in the RAF and US) in the same squadron
do you have anything for them ? time should be late 43, early 44
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:24 pm
by von Shagmeister
Not got anything on any Cosar or Cossar
Two brothers for you, I've only just entered their details. Interestingly both were definitely nicknamed "Duke"
As of 17Aug43
F/O Warren, Douglas; 165 Sqn; 0.33 Kills; Exp 75
F/O Warren, Bruce; 165 Sqn; 2.33 Kills; Exp 80
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:21 pm
by Hard Sarge
already had them, but will adjust there exp level
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:05 pm
by von Shagmeister
[font=arial]F/O Charles Stewart Cossar 247 Sqn received DFC 26Sep44. However don't know if he was serving with 247 Sqn as of 17Aug43[/font]
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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:51 pm
by Hard Sarge
Thank you, he was with them in 43 I know, not sure when he joined
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:24 pm
by Hard Sarge
Shaggy do you have the Shores follow up book to Aces High ?
mine just got here
very good
RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:07 pm
by von Shagmeister
Do you mean Aces High Vol II?