What's your Strategy?
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Most generally take Chengtu first as it is easier, then once you take CK, nothing can come back ...Mike Solli wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 4:52 pm 29 Nov 42
Let's not forget that once Chungking and Chengtu are liberated, the dead Chinese infantry stays dead!
That's the plan!PaxMondo wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 11:52 pmMost generally take Chengtu first as it is easier, then once you take CK, nothing can come back ...Mike Solli wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 4:52 pm 29 Nov 42
Let's not forget that once Chungking and Chengtu are liberated, the dead Chinese infantry stays dead!
I understand and agree with everything you said above. It never dawned on me to shut off refineries in Japan. The next turn is 1 Dec 42. I am going to track the total amount of oil in Japan monthly from now on. I want to see how much it is declining per month so I can plan accordingly. The total amount of oil is dropping, but not my a lot. I'm not concerned with that, but the total amount in Japan is the concern.PaxMondo wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 5:56 am Mike,
Going back to a topic you brought up some time back: oil, refine it locally or bring it back to HI to refine? Your concern was that your oil levels in the HI continue to drop, and you want them to be growing.
So, the game is set up where there is MORE refining capacity than oil centers within the sphere that the IJ will likely capture in a game. And by more, I mean like 20% more ... a significant number. Now what does that mean for the IJ? In real terms: not much. Why?
While there is some sentimental good feeling about bringing the oil back to IJ to refine, the truth is that bringing the fuel back saves 10% of you tanker capacity AND it generally means the supply is closer to where you need it, so you save again on AK capacity AND Fuel usage on both sides. Do you ever repair refineries? Not likely. Negative ROI.
So, don't worry about falling oil levels in the IJ. When they get too low, turn off a few refineries. The main point is to not leave any fuel/oil/supply behind for the allies as you retreat in '44.
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I thought (apparently incorrectly) that if there are troops at a base, then troops moving over a river into the base won't trigger a shock attack. Maybe if it's a hex side that someone already moved through? At any rate, I've moved troops in from 5 of the 6 surrounding hexes. The only hex I haven't moved into Chungking from was the hex to the SE, which crosses a river. I'll just post a brigade there to "watch" them.It seems like you always do a shock attack if you are (a) crossing a river and (b) dont own the hexside or have less than 1/3 of the assault value of the enemy already in the hex.Mike Solli wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 8:44 pm 30 Nov 42 - Quiet turn
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I bombed Lanchow and Chungking. I made a mistake at Chungking. I was moving troops in from all 6 hexes surrounding the base. The 110 Division moved in from the east, across the river and shock attacked. They were trashed but will recover. Now they're moving out to rebuild.
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Only applies to river crossings ... if river is not involved, then there is no trigger that I am aware of.GrosserKreuzer wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:49 pm ...or have less than 1/3 of the assault value of the enemy already in the hex.
At least that is the way I understand this old post from Alfred.
https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... 6#p2749496
Yes, that is what I meant with a and b.PaxMondo wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 11:31 pmOnly applies to river crossings ... if river is not involved, then there is no trigger that I am aware of.GrosserKreuzer wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:49 pm ...or have less than 1/3 of the assault value of the enemy already in the hex.
At least that is the way I understand this old post from Alfred.
https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... 6#p2749496
Note that it does not matter how large the unit is when it crosses; it will always open the path even when obliterated (provided your units are in the target hex). You can sacrifice a small unit - I usually split one of many 24 AV units and use their C section, which is usually the smallest. Once they cross, they vanish against strong defense, but it will liberate your guard unit, typically large and well-trained. Then you merge the A and B sections, and they will form a full unit again, replenished in a few days. Alternatively, you can airlift a small fraction on any unrestricted unit to a nearby base and then cross with them.Mike Solli wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:24 am Yep, an infantry regiment/brigade will get that guard duty.
Tomasek wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:36 amNote that it does not matter how large the unit is when it crosses; it will always open the path even when obliterated (provided your units are in the target hex). You can sacrifice a small unit - I usually split one of many 24 AV units and use their C section, which is always the smallest. Once they cross, they vanish against strong defense, but it will liberate your guard unit, typically large and well-trained. Then you merge the A and B sections, and they will form a full unit again, replenished in a few days. Alternatively, you can airlift a small fraction of any unrestricted unit to a nearby base and then cross with them.Mike Solli wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:24 am Yep, an infantry regiment/brigade will get that guard duty.
Not quite right. Only if there is an atoll or river crossing involved do you get an automatic shock attack. And if there is a bridge over the river, I don't think you get the shock attack either.Mike Solli wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:24 am Hmm. So, crossing a hex side you don't own will automatically trigger a shock attack regardless of how much AV you have in the hex. That makes sense. Guess I won't be advancing into Chungking from the SE at all. Yep, an infantry regiment/brigade will get that guard duty.
Thanks a lot for clarifying that for me and anyone else interested.
Correct as I know it ... not sure where all the confusion started, but you need water to create the conditions for an automatic shock attack. Once you have that, then you need to walk through Alfred's points to see if ALL of the conditions are met. Without water to start, this whole discussion is moot.BBfanboy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:41 amNot quite right. Only if there is an atoll or river crossing involved do you get an automatic shock attack. And if there is a bridge over the river, I don't think you get the shock attack either.Mike Solli wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:24 am Hmm. So, crossing a hex side you don't own will automatically trigger a shock attack regardless of how much AV you have in the hex. That makes sense. Guess I won't be advancing into Chungking from the SE at all. Yep, an infantry regiment/brigade will get that guard duty.
Thanks a lot for clarifying that for me and anyone else interested.
Just moving into a land hex from a land hex does not trigger an attack. The player or AI must wait until next turn to attack newly arrived troops.